Sometimes I hunt the misogyny, sometimes it wanders up right up to me and says hello.
Today’s post is an example of the latter. Below, a slightly edited comment that someone left for me this morning. It’s a response to a post of mine about a dreadful post on Return of Kings in which a fellow calling himself Billy Chubbs argued, with absolutely no evidence, that a recent high school shooter was driven to murder because of his “probable sexual frustration,” Chubbs went on to argue that young women are “selfish” because they don’t have sex with guys they’re not attracted to.
Anyway, my new commenter – posting under the name “whogoesthere?” – thinks that I and the other commenters here were being too hard on Chubbs’ “very good argument.” And so he deposited this giant rant, which in many ways is even scarier than Chubbs’ original.
He’s a tad verbose, so I’ve trimmed out some stuff that isn’t relevant to his general, er, thesis. And I’ve also taken the liberty of adding a few paragraph breaks and bolding a few of the best (i.e. worst) bits.
When men don’t get the women they want they turn to violence.
Not a good start here, because this just isn’t true. In this case, the phrase “not all men” is, for once, appropriate. Most men don’t get violent when they’re turned down.
This is established all over the animal kingdom and offers a good example about how it applies to humans, that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap. …
Animals do all sorts of things that humans don’t do, and we can’t always learn from their behavior or assume that it relates to our own lives.
Or maybe the Evo Psych crew is just looking at the wrong animals. When banana slugs can’t find a partner to have sex with, they simply fertilize themselves. There’s a lesson here, I think, for the angry incels of the world: you can’t always get what you want, and when you can’t, sex with yourself is better than murder.
High school is a massively sexually charged winner take all environment. … Today’s high school is basically an ongoing audition for a porno video and the guys and girls who don’t make the cut can only sit at home and masturbate.
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It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.
Somehow most people, regardless of gender, manage to survive even if they’re not frolicking with Charlize Theron and/or Channing Tatum.
I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.
In their keep?! Also, no. Charles Manson was surrounded by beautiful young women. Yet he orchestrated multiple grisly murders.
The only guys that do so are bank robbers and thieves, generally guys at a later stage of life more fixated on money.
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Human beings naturally assess the amount of sex going around them and judge themselves in relationship to the amount and type of sex others are getting.
You know, you can’t actually tell how much and what kind of sex someone is having just by looking at them. Yes, there will always be people in the world having more sex with you. And some of these people are having sex with people you would probably like to have sex with. There are also people who are smarter than you, funnier than you, who can play chess or kickbox better than you, who have hundreds or thousands of times more money than you do.
That’s life. Life isn’t fair.
This makes sense because from a reproductive standpoint sex is coveted, and sex with beautiful thin, young women are the most coveted. Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.
Ah, yes, it was only a matter of time until the creepy pedo-justifying Evo Psych assfacts made their appearance. Not all men “burn with passion” in their pants for virginal high school girls.
This is why we have “morality” which is in its essence is a promise not to flaunt or indulge in sex moreso than the lowest man or woman in your tribe. This is what is meant when people say “morality went out the window.” They mean someone with more sexual prowess is openly indulging in sex and broadcasting it to stimulate the jealousy of the underclasses.
I’m pretty sure that’s not what people mean when they say “morality went out the window.”
This teen killed people cause he thought that beautiful girls were out of reach. The high school environment merely rubbed it in his face. Yes drugs to treat ADD might’ve eroded many of the impulse control functions in the teen, but the rage against the high school was still the gasoline.
[citation needed]
He might’ve had a picture or two taken with a girl next to him, but oftentimes those high school girls lie and simply eat up the male’s offerings without granting sexual access, but grant it to a random stud.
How dare young women choose who to have sex with, and who not to!
I’m not saying the girl he killed deserved it, it’s only that when you are in that frame of mind you cannot tell who is having more sex than others and you simply fill in the gaps with rage.
Wait, so if she had turned him down he would have been justified in killing her?
The beautiful girl simply represented everything that the teen couldn’t get. The steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.
Yeah, I think you’re confusing high school with porn again. His rampage lasted roughly a minute and a half. He shot her because she was there.
All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.
Not a lot of “prudes” here. Just people who find the “women need to have sex with ‘nice guys’ or these ‘nice gys’ will kill you all” to be a somewhat problematic argument.
Generally men want sex with young thin beauties who validate their existence.
Some men do. But most men, among those who are sexually attracted to women, aren’t as neurotically fixated on this small slice of the female demographic – women in their teens and early twenties who are somehow both virginal and sexually “wild” – as manosphere men seem to be. And most people don’t base their entire self-worth on whether or not they’re having sex with beautiful people.
Some men prefer women older than them. Some like women who are fat. Plenty of men don’t fixate on a particular physical type and are attracted to all sorts of different women. Believe it or not, whogoesthere, there are lots of men who are more interested in what’s in a woman’s head than they are in whether or not she matches up with some particular checklist of physical attributes.
If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men and all of the behaviors surrounding it, including shootings. Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.
And that’s the problem. It’s not actually a logical line of reasoning at all. It’s more like a sort of blackmail.
Men don’t kill women because they can’t have “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.” Sometimes men kill women because they feel entitled to have sex with these “valuable young girls” and become bitter and enraged when they can’t find a “valuable young girl” who agrees with them on this particular point.
It’s not the lack of “sexual access” that’s the problem. It’s the notion that your desire for “sexual access” means more than the right of that person to say “no.” It’s the notion that society has done you wrong because you can’t (at least at the moment) get laid. It’s the idea that your desire to have sex with a particular kind of woman somehow trumps the right of other people to live.
I mean, what the fucking fuck.
Oh, by the way, there’s no evidence that the shooter in question – Karl Halverson Pierson – was motivated by sexual frustration. His intended target was the school librarian, who is also the school’s debate coach. Pierson was obsessed with debate, and had some sort of grudge against the coach.
That sounds amazing…
I am also very interested in that! I’ve never had menudo before. One of my girlfriends makes it occasionally, and she’s promised to have us over the next time she cooks up a pot. The problem is that she doesn’t make it very often. She says the cooking smell does her in.
Happy birthday Kitteh! The cake sounds amazing. So does everyone’s dinners. I just wolfed a plain cheese sandwich after getting home from my first day of work. I haven’t had an afternoon/evening shift schedule in forever. My meal schedule and that of the kitties are going to have change.
As others have said, many wives work and contribute financially to the household. Getting married does not mean having to pay for someone else’s stuff unless you plan on one person being a stay at home parent (nothing wrong with that obviously, but it isn’t for every family). You also shouldn’t assume that getting married means having kids. I don’t want kids. Of course, I don’t marry you either Warren.
Don’t single people do all these “materialistic things too?” I fail to see how any of these things are wastes of money as long as you don’t go beyond your means.
Thanks, WWTH! How was the first day at work, did it go well?
Funny how wonder boy includes a house in useless material things. But then I guess it is, when you’re a bridge-dwelling troll.
Lea all of that sounds lovely!
kittehs CAKE! Chocolate and hazelnut mmm.
See, THIS (friendly interaction with other people over relatively mundane, but enjoyable things) is what und’s missing out on. But who cares about people when you can have MONEY and PORN and… like trolling and stuff? That’s pretty much all und does, isn’t it? No seriously, und’s life must suck.
I tend to make a wimpy version of menudo that has pork rather than tripe, since neither Mr C or I like tripe. This means that when I make it the house does not smell like tripe, so I can make it as often as I want.
(Just FYI, it freezes very well so it’s a good thing to make in bulk and keep on hand for days when you don’t feel like cooking.)
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some furniture for no apparent reason, as ladies do.
That’s okay, cassandrakitty, I’ve been struck with the urgent need to buy a house. We already have one that’s about halfway paid off, but another never hurt anyone, right? I can use it to store my shoes.
Well, the amazing thing about people not being interchangeable, is that it’s possible to find people with different values. If you looked, you might even find someone with the same values as you! Someone who doesn’t want kids and wants seperate bank accounts, and who prefers to spend their own money on themselves and not spend yours. Someone who will go halves with you on video games.
You could try something radical and actually be honest with women about yourself, and maybe you’ll find someone who agrees with you. There are just as many sociopathic women as men, and I am sure they would be just as relived as you not to have to fake emotions anymore.
I’m curious now about what you want to spend disposable income on since you’re so unmaterialistic.
I’m well aware that women can make money. But the way I live, and plan to live to build up money, I don’t think many people would be happy with. I live in as cheap a place as possible and use used and improvised furniture. And video games really don’t cost all that much money, as I tend to play the same ones for years.
On balance, I think I win out.
Plus, inevitable divorce would wreck my credit.
I want to spend money on travel. There are lots of places in the world that I’d like to see. The idea of having enough money saved up to not work for ten or so years is also appealing.
That sounds like a recipe for one exciting Friday night. Two empty shells of humanity, just chillin.’
He wants to save up his income so he can spend it on impressing girls.
Whoops, und reminded me I’ve got to go out and spend all my money on frivolous stuff like food and books and things. Or maybe I should go buy a car… or a country. Sounds like a plan!
Well, speaking for myself, all of my surplus income goes on spiritual items, mostly the purchase of indulgences.
@duckbunny But girls are interchangeable and he doesn’t want relationships and he doesn’t like sex! So really, he’s just saving up for a Realdoll.
Kitteh,
It was OK. It was kind of an emergency job because I’m out of money. I returned to political door to door canvassing like I did years ago. The people seem cool and I like working with people who share my world view, I get exercise that is desperately needed because I gained weight while unemployed and after the 90 day probationary period the pay will be only a little less than my previous job because it’s unionized.
However, I have to knock on people’s doors and bug them for money until we switch to non fundraising election work in a month or so, my feet are killing me, and I don’t want to be still doing this after the election in November because nobody needs to be outside during the winter in MN.
Embarrassingly, I was half an hour late. The Metro Transit site did not inform me that the light rail would be shut down for 25 minutes because the presidential motorcade was going past! First time I ever said “Thanks Obama!” non ironically. Maybe he saw me from the window looking pissed off?
tl;dr meh?
I forgot to comment on the grandmother inheritance death watch yesterday. You may be waiting longer than you think, I was in my late 30s when I lost one grandmother and was over 40 when the second one died. The second one had money and real estate property to leave her family and her own children got all of it, while all the grandchildren got nothing. I could get into how easy it is to lose a lot money quickly day trading and making high risk/high reward investments, but I know und will find that out himself if he ever actually inherits money.
Spending money on furniture (especially hard chairs one presumes) and eating out is materialistic but spending money on video games and booze/drugs is not. Because reasons.
I wish to contribute my own Creepy comment to this thread:
I think I found someone with whom I would like to have vigourous sexual intercourse. I first, of course, must determine he wishes to do so with me and it wouldn’t violate anything preexisting in their life. Then, dem bones. Imma jump ’em.
Yeah, sometimes gambling on the deaths of old people doesn’t quite pay off
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/29/world/a-120-year-lease-on-life-outlasts-apartment-heir.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment
Spending money on RealDolls is beauty. <3
@marinerachel – That is not creepy. That is awesome.
WWTH – I hope you told ’em at work it was all the President’s fault you were late! Though they might have said, “Sorry, you’re at the wrong place, the Republican headquarters is across town.” 😛
Underpantsonhishead has to save his money for facelifts and toupees and flashy cars and all the stuff he’ll need for when he’s a sad 40-something desperately trying to convince himself that he has any chance at all with young women.
And having mechanical, mastubatory sex. Can’t forget that.
Maybe Warren’s family members pull a Walder Frey. I don’t mean murder wedding guests of course. I mean Walder Frey is in the habit of outliving his heirs.
Gosh, that’s beautiful.