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Creepy comment of the day: If men can't get "the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl," naturally they'll start shooting people.

Banana slug: A better role model for horny humans than bonobos?
Banana slug: A better role model for horny humans than bonobos?

Sometimes I hunt the misogyny, sometimes it wanders up right up to me and says hello.

Today’s post is an example of the latter. Below, a slightly edited comment that someone left for me this morning. It’s a response to a post of mine about a dreadful post on Return of Kings in which a fellow calling himself Billy Chubbs argued, with absolutely no evidence, that a recent high school shooter was driven to murder because of his “probable sexual frustration,” Chubbs went on to argue that young women are “selfish” because they don’t have sex with guys they’re not attracted to.

Anyway, my new commenter – posting under the name “whogoesthere?” – thinks that I and the other commenters here were being too hard on Chubbs’ “very good argument.” And so he deposited this giant rant, which in many ways is even scarier than Chubbs’ original.

He’s a tad verbose, so I’ve trimmed out some stuff that isn’t relevant to his general, er, thesis. And I’ve also taken the liberty of adding a few paragraph breaks and bolding a few of the best (i.e. worst) bits.

When men don’t get the women they want they turn to violence.

Not a good start here, because this just isn’t true. In this case, the phrase “not all men” is, for once, appropriate. Most men don’t get violent when they’re turned down.

This is established all over the animal kingdom and offers a good example about how it applies to humans, that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap. …

Animals do all sorts of things that humans don’t do, and we can’t always learn from their behavior or assume that it relates to our own lives.

Or maybe the Evo Psych crew is just looking at the wrong animals. When banana slugs can’t find a partner to have sex with, they simply fertilize themselves. There’s a lesson here, I think, for the angry incels of the world: you can’t always get what you want, and when you can’t, sex with yourself is better than murder.

High school is a massively sexually charged winner take all environment. … Today’s high school is basically an ongoing audition for a porno video and the guys and girls who don’t make the cut can only sit at home and masturbate.

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It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.

Somehow most people, regardless of gender, manage to survive even if they’re not frolicking with Charlize Theron and/or Channing Tatum.

I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.

In their keep?! Also, no. Charles Manson was surrounded by beautiful young women. Yet he orchestrated multiple grisly murders.

The only guys that do so are bank robbers and thieves, generally guys at a later stage of life more fixated on money.

wat

Human beings naturally assess the amount of sex going around them and judge themselves in relationship to the amount and type of sex others are getting.

You know, you can’t actually tell how much and what kind of sex someone is having just by looking at them. Yes, there will always be people in the world having more sex with you. And some of these people are having sex with people you would probably like to have sex with. There are also people who are smarter than you, funnier than you, who can play chess or kickbox better than you, who have hundreds or thousands of times more money than you do.

That’s life. Life isn’t fair.

This makes sense because from a reproductive standpoint sex is coveted, and sex with beautiful thin, young women are the most coveted. Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.

Ah, yes, it was only a matter of time until the creepy pedo-justifying Evo Psych assfacts made their appearance. Not all men “burn with passion” in their pants for virginal high school girls.

This is why we have “morality” which is in its essence is a promise not to flaunt or indulge in sex moreso than the lowest man or woman in your tribe. This is what is meant when people say “morality went out the window.” They mean someone with more sexual prowess is openly indulging in sex and broadcasting it to stimulate the jealousy of the underclasses.

I’m pretty sure that’s not what people mean when they say “morality went out the window.”

This teen killed people cause he thought that beautiful girls were out of reach. The high school environment merely rubbed it in his face. Yes drugs to treat ADD might’ve eroded many of the impulse control functions in the teen, but the rage against the high school was still the gasoline.

[citation needed]

He might’ve had a picture or two taken with a girl next to him, but oftentimes those high school girls lie and simply eat up the male’s offerings without granting sexual access, but grant it to a random stud.

How dare young women choose who to have sex with, and who not to!

I’m not saying the girl he killed deserved it, it’s only that when you are in that frame of mind you cannot tell who is having more sex than others and you simply fill in the gaps with rage.

Wait, so if she had turned him down he would have been justified in killing her?

The beautiful girl simply represented everything that the teen couldn’t get. The steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.

Yeah, I think you’re confusing high school with porn again. His rampage lasted roughly a minute and a half. He shot her because she was there.

All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.

Not a lot of “prudes” here. Just people who find the “women need to have sex with ‘nice guys’ or these ‘nice gys’ will kill you all” to be a somewhat problematic argument.

Generally men want sex with young thin beauties who validate their existence.

Some men do. But most men, among those who are sexually attracted to women, aren’t as neurotically fixated on this small slice of the female demographic – women in their teens and early twenties who are somehow both virginal and sexually “wild” – as manosphere men seem to be. And most people don’t base their entire  self-worth on whether or not they’re having sex with beautiful people.

Some men prefer women older than them. Some like women who are fat. Plenty of men don’t fixate on a particular physical type and are attracted to all sorts of different women. Believe it or not, whogoesthere, there are lots of men who are more interested in what’s in a woman’s head than they are in whether or not she matches up with some particular checklist of physical attributes.

If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men and all of the behaviors surrounding it, including shootings. Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.

And that’s the problem. It’s not actually a logical line of reasoning at all. It’s more like a sort of blackmail.

Men don’t kill women because they can’t have “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.” Sometimes men kill women because they feel entitled to have sex with these “valuable young girls” and become bitter and enraged when they can’t find a “valuable young girl” who agrees with them on this particular point.

It’s not the lack of “sexual access” that’s the problem. It’s the notion that your desire for “sexual access” means more than the right of that person to say “no.” It’s the notion that society has done you wrong because you can’t (at least at the moment) get laid. It’s the idea that your desire to have sex with a particular kind of woman somehow trumps the right of other people to live.

I mean, what the fucking fuck.

Oh, by the way, there’s no evidence that the shooter in question – Karl Halverson Pierson – was motivated by sexual frustration. His intended target was the school librarian, who is also the school’s debate coach. Pierson was obsessed with debate, and had some sort of grudge against the coach.

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andrea harris
6 years ago

I was wondering when the Elliot Rodger copycats would start up. I wonder how many guns this paragon owns.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.

Oh, I see. So if I see a beautiful young man who’s successful at school, sport and music and good looking into the bargain and I think he should “frolic” with me who has none of those attributes, then he is obliged to “invite” me to join him in sexual frolicking to confirm my sexual identity.

Good to know.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

I’m impressed that you resisted the temptation to use the banana slug example as a means to tell the incels to go fuck themselves.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.

Maybe it’s just because I was watching GOT previews earlier, but this made me picture him locking a fair maiden complete with ice cream cone hat up in his medieval castle.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Very fail, such gross, much awful. Wow.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Nequam, my thoughts exactly! XD

David, fastest response evah to that grotesque comment. Well played, sir!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Maybe it’s just because I was watching GOT previews earlier, but this made me picture him locking a fair maiden complete with ice cream cone hat up in his medieval castle.

Now I’m seeing Lady Gwen and Sir Rodney from The Wizard of Id. Though even Rod has less fail than this loser.

wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Let us do the math. The census figures I found for 2000 indicated that around 13 percent of women and girls are between the ages of 15 and 24, with an additional six percent of women being between 25 and 29. Now, this may have shifted somewhat in the past decade and a half, but not by much.

I’ll be very generous about his requirements for beauty and thinness and assume that 50% of women/girls in this age group count as “young thin beauties”. If I count women fro 15 to 29 (again, i am being very generous, given what I think he counts as “young”), that is about 10% of the female population.

This means that, according to this man, basically the entire male population* older than fifteen, which is roughly 80% of the male population, is going for around 10% of the female population. Since he believes that not having sex with/a relationship with that 10% of the female population leads to violence… he must believe that a majority of men are likely to be violent.

And they claim feminists are the misandrists.

Figures from here: http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age.html

*He’s not considering gay men, so I’m not going to do so either for the purpose of this rant. On the other hand, “men whose sexual inclinations are not encompassed by whogoesthere?’s beliefs” is quite a large group.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.

OK. I’ve just re-read that part. And that’s the final line of a paragraph containing these words in this order …

If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men

What does the illegality or otherwise of prostitution have to do with any of this?

Especially since the writer seems to be focused on the sexual angst of high schoolers. Now that I’ve read it again, I’ve had to read it several times over, again, and it still makes no sense of any kind. The claim to “a logical line of reasoning” seems not to have any connection to anything else – and all those things seem to have very feeble links to the others anyway.

How old is this person?

kittehserf
6 years ago

I bet the “thin young beauties” mustn’t have zits, ever, or they’re just unacceptable. Ditto having functioning bowels or (even worse) minds.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I wonder how Whogoesthere explains the fact that when a woman is murdered it is most likely her husband or boyfriend that is the murderer. Even setting the wrongness of his notion that “fuck us are we’ll kill you” is in any way acceptable, it’s simply not accurate. Women are killed by men they’ve had sex with every day.

Bee
Bee
6 years ago

Being the first to spoil these young women sexually

Gee, he seems nice. Why don’t women want to have sex with him?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

He doesn’t quite seem to understand how prostitution works. Then again, he doesn’t seem to understand how much else works either, so…

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

What’s with the asexual senior citizen comment? Was he saying that seniors don’t have sex drives. Because that is absolutely untrue. Or was he trying to insult asexuals by comparing them to old people?

Either it’s bullshit. I just don’t understand what he’s getting at.

kittehserf
6 years ago

He also assumes sex worker = “thin young beauty who won’t tell him there isn’t enough money in the world to make it worth fucking him.”

kittehserf
6 years ago

WWTH – I think he was showing he’s no idea what asexual means, and using it to mean old people have lost their sex drives.

Showing his arse for the 8754th time, in other words.

steampunked (@steampunked)

I’m tired of the MRA’s and their repeated arguments that the world would work better if we killed or controlled almost all men.

BritterSweet
6 years ago

Ew ew ew ew ew ew! This was not something I wanted to see after attending my second cousin’s high school graduation party. Ewwww!

Makes me so glad I’m not a teenager anymore.

Need some brain bleach now.

Liveandletlive098
Liveandletlive098
6 years ago

“All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.”

No the situation is being assessed as if it were thought out by rational thinking human beings and not kicking and screaming little kids who can’t have all the toys at the store.
WAH! Cry me a river.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

Hah! I missed that bit about asexual senior citizens.

Presumably this young man is one who went Ewwwww when it finally dawned on him that his parents had sex more than once. Maybe they’re still together and still causing even more Ewwww.

Hate to tell you this sonny, but it’s fairly likely that granny and grandpa are still getting it on. Whether we’re talking about white hair, false teeth and orthopedic shoes or well maintained, elegance growing old gracefully – there are no barriers to sex when people are keen on each other.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

Out of morbid curiosity, where did this Whogoesthere originally post?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

He probably thinks that the male senior citizens are avidly pursuing high school girls too, doesn’t he? Ew, ick, etc.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

Ah, never mind, I see the link.

kittehserf
6 years ago

OT: “false teeth” put me in mind of a moment from New Tricks the other night. They’re at a restaurant, where Brian’s being fairly gross with his food, as usual.

Jack: “If he spits his teeth out I’m out of here.”

Puppies! Cuuuuute puppies!

serrana
serrana
6 years ago

that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap

Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.

ALL SHALL LOVE MY LOGIC AND DESPAIR!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Typical how rape proponent troll thinks men who aren’t rapists/not interested in a particular type of teenage girl are not interested in sex at all.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Wait, sex with a woman over 19? Is that even possible? Wow, the things you learn on the internet.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

“All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point.”

But he’s the one using a muder-suicide to try to compel young women to have sex with people they don’t want to? David, how do you even with these people? Because I certainly can’t odd!

Shaun Day
Shaun Day
6 years ago

“Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.”

Let me just capslock the word that jumped out at me. SPOIL

What the actual fuck? “Females” only have *one* chance to have sex and then they are ruined. So all women must provide any and all men with sex, but women can only have sex one time? *head explodes from the stupid*

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

@casandrakitty

As a health care professional, I am here to tell you that medical science has never recorded a single incident of any woman over 19 years of age engaging in heternormative sexual activity.

I was able to give birth for the first time at the age of 34 by promising my son’s soul to the Dark Powers. But, it certainly wasn’t sex because I was obviously too old and would have given my husband’s boner a sad.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I guess I should tell my 61 year old dad that he’d better call off his wedding to his 50 something year old fiancée. After all, men of all ages are only supposed to pursue teenage virgins!

BritterSweet
6 years ago

Entitlement is believing that young, thin beautiful girls/women rightfully belong to men, and asserting your body as your own by going “nope” is a MOST HEINOUS CRIME AGAINST THE MENZ!!! THEY WANNA HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR BODIES!!! THEY WANNA THEY WANNA THEYWANNATHEYWANNAAAA~!!!!!

Taino
Taino
6 years ago

Wait. so this is coming down to a turf war between the vast majority of men and a handful of ‘top guys’ (vs nice guys) because the former are like lady magnets when said ladies feel like getting laid? But the top guys don’t even know they are at war because why should they concern themselves with their lesser brethren. Maybe they should duke it out.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

@ Shaun Day

Yeah, because you couldn’t possibly just treat your female partner with loving kindness so that she’d only ever want to have sex with just you…

estraven
estraven
6 years ago

Wow. I just can’t even. I have known guys who are sad not to have a relationship, but they didn’t want to KILL WOMEN because of not being indulged.

Shaun Day
Shaun Day
6 years ago

GrumpyOldNurse, doesn’t matter, sex with a “female” after she’s “spoiled” is clearly wrong, so “females” can only have sex one time, but men must be constantly having sex, and that was where my head exploded because my cynicism was set on China Syndrome and that’s just not enough for this level of MRA logic.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

Asexual old folks made me think of this one.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

@ Shaun Day

Sexbots. That must be what he’s thinking of. The only logical solution! Disposable, one use only sexbots.

estraven
estraven
6 years ago

Also, the “asexual senior citizens.” I’m in my 60s and I’m here to tell you I’m not asexual. I’m sure, along with other commentators, that that grosses this dude out, but hey. facts are brutal.

As for “snotty girls” who don’t want to have sex with whatever random dude wants it, this reminds me of the song “Fuck You Very Much,” which one guy in the YouTube comments told me he hated because of all the stuck-up girls who wouldn’t give him the time of day who liked to sing it. And here I thought it was a song that was anti-homophobia and anti-racism . . . But it was really about The MENZ!

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

It’s so clear, now!

We must provide disposal sexbots to all the MRA’s and MGTOW’ers! That actually might solve most things!

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

YAY! I fixed it!

(I have no idea what did but I can comment properly again and I am totally taking credit.)

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I keep offering to program the sexbots for them, but they don’t take me up on the offer. I don’t expect any MRAs to be able to program.

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

@pallygirl

You would be doing the work of all the gods! This thing might just save humanity.

Lids
6 years ago

Asexual senior citizens? I wonder if he realizes asexuality isn’t simply a disinterest in sex… if a senior citizen (or anyone else) loses interest in sex suddenly, but experience(d) sexual attraction, then they are NOT asexual. Their libido is simply not working the way it used to. As an asexual person with a libido I can tell you there is a HUGE difference between losing your libido and being asexual.

Lids
6 years ago

Men like him do make me glad I am asexual though – more misandry points for me. A 21 year old girl who will never be sexually attracted to them! The horror!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ah, the Beatles … George was so beautiful. ::sigh::

I keep offering to program the sexbots for them, but they don’t take me up on the offer. I don’t expect any MRAs to be able to program.

I think MRAs’ ability to make sexbots would be at about this level. (NSFW because mind-bogglingly ewww.)

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Gosh, some people just shouldn’t watch teenage movies from the 80s and 90s. The worst thing in the world isn’t a pretty girl who doesn’t know you’re alive. She has her own problems, asshole, she doesn’t have time to validate your existence — she’s the protagonist in the movie of her life. She has to deal with the unwanted attentions of “nice guys”, pedos and an entire pantheon of sexist, brainwashed, self-entitled gits who simultaneously desire her attention and yet hates her guts enough to dismiss her humanity. How else do explain their habit of explaining murder away as “Well, what do you expect? She didn’t give him what he wants.”

Also, what are the odds this loser uses the term m’lady? Pretty fucking high I think. Also, these guys don’t seem to know that folks with pretty active sex lives still masterbate — ‘because it is enjoyable.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Men like him do make me glad I am asexual though – more misandry points for me. A 21 year old girl who will never be sexually attracted to them! The horror!

Misandrist high five!

Though of course at 21, you’re nearly over the hill anyway. 😛

katz
6 years ago

GrumpyOldNurse, doesn’t matter, sex with a “female” after she’s “spoiled” is clearly wrong, so “females” can only have sex one time, but men must be constantly having sex, and that was where my head exploded because my cynicism was set on China Syndrome and that’s just not enough for this level of MRA logic.

He is literally expecting 80% of the men to all be able to have sex with 10% of the women the first time.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

The maths gets worse, if he assumes that any of the men want to have sex more than once.

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