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The book was written by a man who has helped dozens of suicidal people get better. Here’s more of the quote: “I try to find out why he is feeling that way. I might ask ‘What is your motive for wanting to kill yourself? What problem in your life is so terrible that there is no solution?’ Then I would help that person expose the illogical thinking that lurks behind the suicidal impulse as quickly as possible. When you begin to think more realistically, your sense of hopelessness and the desire to end your life will fade away and you will have the urge to live.”
I don’t think we should be second-guessing Leum, who knows the situation better than we do. And I don’t think we should be having this discussion in this thread.
If you want me to open up another thread to continue this discussion I can do that but continued debate on this in this thread is inappropriate.
I don’t see how “try to do something between ‘nothing’ and ‘police'” is ignoring them.
@kittehs
thanks for not reading what I wrote. I wasn’t fuckign blaming leum. Where the fuck did I say that?
I literally have no idea how to react to whatever the fuck is going on here.
didn’t see tat post sorry
I don’t know what the laws are in other countries but in the US adults are very rarely institutionalized against their will. The most that will usually happen is a 72 hour hold.
I don’t know all the details with happened in Leum’s situation. Maybe zie couldn’t get her on the phone and couldn’t get to her house and emergency services was all that was left. Also, not everyone knows how to talk someone who is suicidal down. I don’t think it’s fair to judge Leum before knowing all the facts. Zie came here seeking support and has basically been called a bad friend who is out to steal bodily autonomy.
It should also be noted that suicide can have traumatic effects on loved ones too. My aunt’s husband committed suicide, Afterwards she stopped taking care of herself (she already had health problems before he died) and she died 6 months later because of that. If I had foreknowledge of his plans I would’ve called 911 in a heartbeat. They’d both probably be alive today if somebody stopped him. He was an abusive jackass and at the time we were relieved he didn’t take my aunt with him but it turns out he pretty much did.
Thanks, David.
Sorry David, you ninja’d me.
I’d like you to open up another thread, David. I’d more feedback on the quote I posted.
Sorry leum, I really hope your friend’s gonna to be ok.
Another thread for this might be a good idea. I think Leum did the right thing. I would have done the same. I would much rather have my grandfather around and I wish he’d have reached out to someone.
I’ve opened a new thread. Any continued discussion of the issue of calling the police when a friend is suicidal needs to go there.
Hey, David. Another thread would probably be good.
Leum, I’m so sorry for both you and your friend. Take care of yourself. Have hugs.
Ninja’d.
Anyway, to get away from the suicide talk and on to lighter subjects… I purchased and played Braid recently. Not super fond of the game (looks pretty, good music, and controls well, but the levels are annoying, it is quite short, and I think blocking off the ending until you collect all the puzzle pieces is stupid), but I absolutely love how the entire game is dedicated to tearing down Nice Guys. This isn’t even a fringe interpretation, it is the entire central thematic point of the game. It is so incredibly glorious, I love it. 😀
I think it’s time for a cute animal video
How different do you think things would be if humans were marsupials rather than placentals?
BreakfastMan, that sounds great! I don’t play games myself (apart from Freecell and Stack the Cats). What’s the storyline, or plot, of the game (you can see I know zip about the terminology)?
Off the top of my head: giving birth would be way easier, and at least when the kid was big enough, it’d only be part-time inside the pouch. 😛
Re: Mental health issues and calling the police.
I usually call the mental health crisis team and they’re generally awesome. They’ll come any time, day or night and will stay until you feel safe and then draw up a plan for the longer term.
The only time I ever called the police was when my husband, who was suicidal, disappeared and wouldn’t answer his phone. I was terrified, I called our friends, the crisis team and the police and got a search party together. We found him eventually but it took us all night. We found him in a back garden further down the street, curled up under a tree. I think he was awake but he sure as hell wasn’t lucid.
Seranvali: Wrong thread.
@kittehserf: Basically, the game uses the Mario games formula (ordinary man journeying fantasy land to rescue princess). You play as Tim, who is journeying through a fantastical land to find the Princess, who is always just out of reach. Between each level, you get to rid Tim’s inner narration for himself and his journey, and these really make Tim out to be a huge neckbeard. At the end of each “world” (a collection of levels), you encounter a dinosaur who tells you that the princess isn’t there, and tries to convince you to stop trying to find her. At the end of the game (MAJOR SPOILERS), it is revealed that the princess wasn’t taken from Tim, she was running away from him because he was an abusive, creepy Nice Guy. It is pretty awesome. XD
LOL that sounds so cool, BreakfastMan! 😀
I wasn’t 100% sure about the plot of Braid. On the one hand, yes, it inverts the normal formula and asserts that the girl has the right to make her own choices. On the other hand, it still gives a voice to the Nice Guy, rather than the princess, and is all about him and how he’s feeling, and so I kinda think it falls into that space of things that are trying to be deconstructive but end up at least partially reinforcing the thing they are attempting to deconstruct.
@katz: Yeah, it does give him a voice, but it is pretty obvious we are supposed to hate him. From the first set of diary things I could tell that the game was calling him a huge, pretentious creep, and all the further diaries only reinforced that position. I mean, just because it lets the Nice Guy talk, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t let him hang himself by his own noose.
I just think that there’s a sense in which giving someone a voice legitimizes their position, regardless of how you present them. Think of how often Lolita gets used to defend pedophilia, for example.