Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.
If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!
Mike Buchanan has said:
I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …
Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.
Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote
Stefan Molyneux has said:
Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.
And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.
If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …
Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!
Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.
Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.
Erin Pizzey has said:
If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.
Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred
SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.
Karen Straughan has written:
I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.
A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.
He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.
Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.
Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.
Warren Farrell has said:
The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …
Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.
If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …
We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.
Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …
It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.
Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.
Warren Farrell has said:
Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …
When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …
[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.
Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.
Paul Elam has said:
In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.
I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess.
Now, am I serious about this?
No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.
But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.
Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men
Paul Elam is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Elam’s quote.
For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.
Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!
Shorter woodyred
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No one said anything about bowing down. But if you actually have siblings who are mentally ill, then you have an even greater need to not be a disablist asshole like you are being right now with your language. I’m mentally ill, and so are many others here on this website, and we all find your language very bigoted. Stop it.
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III you people are the bigots – not me. remember that. dont get that twisted – I am posting now on a hostile and bigoted webpage.
Woody,
You do hate women. You are supporting a hate group that advocates the rape, abuse and marginalization of women. You take calls for violence toward women so lightly that when it is pointed out to you, you make a joke and then dismiss telling parents it’s “affectionate” to rape their kids saying “mean things”. You then sling ablist slurs around like a monkey throwing poo. You’re not a humanitarian. You’re a bigot.
You’re “movement” isn’t trying to make life better for men and boys. It’d trying to make it worse for women, girls and any men and boys who do not conform to it’s version of masculinity.
@ woodyred — First word in every sentence is capitalised, also all proper nouns. You’re welcome.
@Ally S – the fact you find my language offensive is your own concern. its not mine, feminist.
The “mens rights movement” is simply a reactionary bitchfest about feminism and has no independent body of thought good or bad, to call it’s own. Farrell has no academic standing whatsoever and as far as I can tell he’s the MRM’s most respectable “thinker” by a mile. There are conservative intellectuals and academics that are very critical of feminism, but none of those would want anything to do with your fringe, mostly internet-based hate group.
If you don’t realize GWW, Elem, Molyneux, Buchanan and Pizzey are a bunch of sorry-ass jokes with little or no credibility, you are beyond reasoning with. Even the infamous
white nationalist“race realist” VDARE has a ton more credibility than AVfM, and that’s just a bunch of outcast paleoconservatives who were thrown out of the conservative movement for being too racist. God lord, even the anti-gay think tank NARTH is more respectable, simply because they maintain an air of intellectual seriousness and don’t dox, rant and harass people like maladjusted teenagers.Woody,
Show us where anyone has said anything bigoted here and not been called out for it.
Go on. we’ll all hold our breath while you cite our horrible bigotry.
Better make it fast.
You won;t be around here for long.
That’s right, guys. Actually quoting back what people say, holding them to their words? That makes us a laughingstock. Not fit to be listened to.
“We don’t hate women! Honest! We just think they should be abused and raped and are responsible for all the evil in the world! But we don’t HATE them!” Try to come up with something original, would you?
Whereas throwing slurs that imply that the source of hatred in life, and all bad things, are mental illness and those who suffer from it? That’s a sign of level-headedness, of clear thinking.
woodyred: Can you answer the question, please?
Can you provide the context of any one of the above quotes that would those quotes reasonable rather than hateful?
If you can’t, just admit it.
And yes, you’re using ableist slurs.
You can either answer the question or continue to evade it. My guess is you’re going to continue to evade it, because there really is no context in which any of those quotes would be reasonable.
Which would make you just another tiresome troll.
Nowhere did I say I was a feminist. And we don’t need to be feminists to recognize that your language is not only offensive, but also supportive of a culture that stigmatizes mentally ill people.
Whether you decide to avoid disablist language is up to you. But you’re an asshole if you think that it’s acceptable language.
And woodyred is going on moderation.
I feel like yoda when he was overcome by senator palpatines force lightening. which attack and insult should I tackle first … idk – brb
@ David Futrelle – why ?
is this a subtle way of telling me to leave ? okay. Im gone.
By the way, it might be good for David to make a post about what is meant by ableism as used in the comments.
People who are new to anti-oppressive politics & language are often unaware that saying “that’s insane to mean “that’s “. Simply telling people to “stop being ableist” isn’t likely to lead them to proper educational sources, especially if they are just getting their feet wet with feminism.
Is there a simple “intro to anti-ableism” page that could be linked?
You know, my words and how they affect others ares a concern for me. Just like how I drive is my responsibility, how I choose to speak is my responsibility.
But then, a supporter of a group that claims that men are helpless at the sight of women’s butts and that women cause men’s by fucking the wrong sorts of men probably does not understand how personal responsibility works.
racnad:
“Inconvenient truths?” Like, what, exactly? That women do secretely want to be beaten and raped and bring it on themselves? That women are just whiny children? That women are responsible for all the evil in the world and the downfall if humanity because they have sex with men Stefan Molyneux doesn’t approve of?
Are they the “inconvenient truths” that you speak of? That shit right there?
Something bad happened to my punctuation, the second paragraph, first sentence should read:
“that’s insane” to mean “that’s bad” or “that’s surprising”
*cause men’s bad behavior*
@Jean-François
It is found in the welcome package: http://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/the-official-man-boobz-complimentary-welcome-package/
@ David Futrelle – these little probes are very interesting btw … they tell me alot. and Im just some random MRA. if its the ableist stuff – then tell me. I will moderate my language in that regard. you people are so odd.
The Welcome Package we link to whenever a new commenter joins has a section on ableism, but I don’t think we give Welcome Packages to obvious trolls.