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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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Marie
10 years ago

@woody

Right, that’s why multiple staffers at AVfM, including Dean Esmay, identify as gay rights activists.

bub, identifying as a gay rights activist doesn’t do squat. You have to actually back that shit up with your words and/ or actions.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Marie

Sssh! If you start actually demanding allies walk their walk, we’ll never have any allies and then won’t we be lonely and sad?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

If I identify as an astronaut will they let me into the control room at NASA?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Ah yes, we call it cochineal over here. No more coconut ice for me. 🙁

piratejennie
10 years ago

Why am I suspecting that neither Marie nor I will be getting a response that actually addresses the issue from Woody about his AVfM members gay rights activism claims?

Also Woody, just for further clarification, do these activists specify that they support all members of the community or just gay men?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@piratejennie: some recipes for vegetarian/vegan marshmallows that are easy would be great. 🙂

piratejennie
10 years ago

Agh…sentence structure bad bad bad.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
10 years ago

Also, OT but I have been sitting on my hands about this for weeks. Why the use of Paul Elam’s first name only?

I’m also curious about this – Woody, do enlighten us, please!

Marie
10 years ago

@LBT

Sssh! If you start actually demanding allies walk their walk, we’ll never have any allies and then won’t we be lonely and sad?

the most lonly and sad :'( what will we do with out their tremendous amount of ‘help’?

kittehserf
10 years ago

piratejennie, gah, allergies and bronchitis as a result – revolting! I’ve only had one serious bout of bronchitis as an adult but I’m sure not forgetting how bad it was, but having that following allergies … flippin’ heck. 🙁

You wouldn’t be the first regular to post while drunk/doped! 😀

Marie
10 years ago

@piratejennie

Agh…sentence structure bad bad bad.

Eh. sentence struture is hard when you’re on drugs and/or meds ( You said you were, right?) Dont beat yourself up too much 😛

Ally S
10 years ago

“Right, that’s why multiple staffers at AVfM, including Dean Esmay, identify as gay rights activists.”

Their identification or lack thereof doesn’t mean shit. They are still reactionary, ideologically and in practice.

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
10 years ago

Also, even if I was convinced that AVFM actually were activists for gay rights, that doesn’t actually change the fact that they are misogynistic and transphobic and racist? Or, in other words, overwhelmingly reactionary? One (ridiculously questionable) example of not completely hating anyone unlike them does not actually make them good people OR activists.

piratejennie
10 years ago

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~connelly/marshmallows.html

This is the easiest one I have used.

I left out the vegetable cooking spray and spread it on a silicone pat inside a non-stick sheet tray instead.

I also upped the vanilla a little because I like the flavor, but that’s just my preference.

These are also really good if you roll them in cocoa or toasted coconut, as opposed to the suggested corn starch (to prevent sticking).

I have not tried adding cocoa to the recipe yet because I’m not sure if it would affect the texture.

The one below is more complicated and requires far more ingredients but the results were more typical of traditional marshmallows.

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/12/vegan-marshmallows-recipe.html

Hope these help!

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

To subquote Yoda (I know, don’t judge LOL):
“Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate.”

I honestly believe that MRAs are scared of females.

katz
10 years ago

I keep meaning to try vegetarian marshmallows just because conventional marshmallows are so low-quality that they’re kind of gross. Often vegetarian/vegan is a great way to find foods that are higher quality, even if you’re not vegetarian yourself.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@piratejennie: thanks, I have bookmarked both recipes. The first one will be easier for me to make as I can guarantee that NZ has the ingredients. I’m not so sure about being able to get all the ingredients mentioned in the second recipe – in particular, the gum powders. But I can always look for them. 🙂

contrapangloss
10 years ago

… hate leads to suffering.

(Sorry, had to finish the quote: raised on those movies… and Stargate, StarTrek, and Dr. Who — Baker is the Doctor, accept no substitutes! Well, accept 12 substitutes. It’s complicated, timey-whimey.)

piratejennie
10 years ago

Thanks all! (especially kittehserf & Marie for being so kind)

Yes, the array of medications I am on is quite the potent little cocktail. Ally S mentioned weird fingers, mine kind of feel like overripe grapes, for every one key I select I end up mashing 2 or 3 and the screen is kind of wonky.

@Ally S & wewereemergencies

In absolute agreement on all counts. I just wanted to see if Woody could (or even would) cough up reliable material supporting his statement.

Honestly, I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their supposed activism given all of their other reprehensible and dangerous actions, more wanted to poke holes in the use of the term at all and see if I could get the troll to dance.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Marie

the most lonly and sad :’( what will we do with out their tremendous amount of ‘help’?

Educate them incessantly, naturally, in the most politest of ways!

piratejennie
10 years ago

@pallygirl

You are very welcome 🙂

I am happy to trade recipes or talk about homemade alternatives to pre-packed foods if people are into it.

Although I’m vegetarian I do cook meat for my friends and SO who aren’t. I also make some pretty mean treats for our Furrinati overlords.

I’ll scoot it over to an appropriate personal open forum thread though.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ally S mentioned weird fingers, mine kind of feel like overripe grapes, for every one key I select I end up mashing 2 or 3 and the screen is kind of wonky.

That isn’t drugs, that’s your true feline self trying to emerge and type with paws!

brooked
10 years ago

@Woody

Right, that’s why multiple staffers at AVfM, including Dean Esmay, identify as gay rights activists.

Ok, that’s hilarious. I’m catching up with this thread and assume other people have suitably torn this to shreds, because you don’t “identify” as an activist. You do activism. I’m not a “gay rights activist” even though I’ve been to marches, demonstrations, fundraisers and donated money to gay non-profits. Activists run and work for non-profit groups, organize demonstrations and protests, raise money and actually do activism. It’s an activity, not a state of mind.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: brooked

How dare you. Don’t you know how hard these guys are working for our rights? Look at all the blogging they’re doing about men!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Oh my god, I just realized. Wouldn’t it be awesome if some men’s group tried to deal with the feelings of not being able to be sexy with selfies and sexy pictures? I don’t even mean to heat up other people, just to get the chance to be sexy for once.

I mean, I’m not into it, but hubby is, and he’d be all over that.