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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Hmm… I don’t think we have any biscuits (cookies for the Americans) in the house. We do have lots of English type lollies and licorice, because we went to a licorice factory on Friday that does direct sales to the public. 🙂

I can offer lemon sherbets, Fox’s glacier mints, acid drops, and various flavours of licorice – with and without chocolate filling.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I have mochi in both chocolate and peanut butter flavors. Woody can’t have any, though.

(Non-trolls would be welcome to try one.)

piratejennie
10 years ago

@pallygirl

Offering acid drops to the trolls (or taking them ourselves) might make their comments more interesting and comprehensible 🙂

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

oooo yum, I like daifuku. Peanut butter sounds interesting.

piratejennie
10 years ago

And I second the policy of no mochi for trolls, cassandrakitty. It’s just too good to waste.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

@piratejennie: unfortunately the sort of acid drops I have won’t achieve that: http://www.curiouscandysweetshop.co.uk/acid-drops-200g.html

🙂

piratejennie
10 years ago

@pallygirl

Crap, does that mean force feeding them Atomic Fireballs won’t actually cause them to explode? *note to self on devising new plan…

Thanks for the link, it made me nostalgic for my favorite little market that specialized in British goodies. I miss Salt & Vinegar crisps that make the roof of your mouth a raw mess in the worst way.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

And now I want wine gums, and don’t have any. Curse you, Mammotheers.

piratejennie
10 years ago

And a general apology to all for a lack of substance in my comments.

I am still fighting a bad case of bronchitis and trying to balance the new medications to fight the infection and pain with the ones I already take for anxiety & bi-polar spectrum disorder.

I have been lurking and itching to comment, but deleting a lot because I worry about sounding cogent while so heavily medicated and (for me) easily angered or upset.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Woody

Right, that’s why multiple staffers at AVfM, including Dean Esmay, identify as gay rights activists.

And yet, they’re having Senator Cools speak there, and Dean Esmay was a former AIDS denialist. Yeah, THIS gay man is totally going to hang out with them! They’re a fucking rainbow PARADE.

RE: cassandrakitty

I have mochi in both chocolate and peanut butter flavors.

WANT.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I don’t have any wine gums – they’re made with gelatine so I can’t eat them. I really really really miss jelly babies.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Allergic or vegan?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Vegetarian. I can’t find any vegetarian wine gums or jelly babies. I’m also very jealous that the US (and maybe Canada too) has vegetarian marshmellows as I can’t eat those either for the same reasons (no chocolate fish, mallowpuff cookies, … /cries).

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

You’d think that would be a thing that would exist by now, since there are other things that can make sweets gel.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

In more interesting news than brought to us by woody:

I have discovered how my aunts little rat terrier Houdinis out of the yard, and closed that gap. The little beastie was leaping down a near 7 foot drop! And she’s like eight inches at the shoulders, max!

I am suitably impressed.

New fencing jurry-rigged, to ruin her escapes. The wee beast then cuddled up to me, since escaping was pointless. We’ll see if she finds a new spot for her escape attempts by the next time I visit.

She really should be renamed Houdini.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Even for someone basically innumerate (when I run out of fingers and toes and nose to do a calculation, I stop).

Fistbump from another innumerate, bluecatbabe!

piratejennie, urgh, bronchitis is the pits. I hope you get those meds balanced.

Don’t worry about being coherent, though. You’ll still be more coherent than the trolls, and if you read back on this thread from about twelve hours ago, a couple of regulars were medicated and still contributing cool comments regardless of typos! 😀

No trolls are getting my chocolate biscuits or cheese shapes. Let ’em starve!

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Agar is used instead of gelatine in some products (e.g. vegetarian sour cream, yoghurt). I’m sure there are heaps of vegetarians eating products that they don’t expect to have byproducts of animal killing in them. I mean, why would anyone think to look at the contents of yoghurt to see if it’s vegetarian? Licorice allsorts are another I have to stay away from – the gelatine is in the icing-type parts of those (I asked at the factory shope, because most licorice doesn’t contain gelatine).

It will be a simple matter of consumer demand. Manufacturers make products for people to buy, if people reduce their purchasing of an item, and it can be reformulated to increase market share, then the manufacturers will do so. /shrug

piratejennie
10 years ago

Also with regard to Woody’s comment:

You have to do more than declare your self an activist to actually be one.

One can be an ally, offer support, listen to and learn from the lived experiences of those affected by personal & systemic discrimination and oppression. These things are wonderful and needed, but still don’t make one an activist.

But (IMHO) to be claim the title of activist you need to, well, actively participate in sustained ways of dismantling those systems, or provide hands on assistance to those affected, or be a consistent, educated, and focused voice of dissent.

Have Dean Esmay or the other AVfM staffers you mentioned done any activist work for the LGBTQA community besides an occasional statement on Twitter or mention in a blog post? Please, I am genuinely interested.

I cannot find anything on Esmay doing activist work for the community and you didn’t name the other staffers, so I couldn’t check into them.

Also, OT but I have been sitting on my hands about this for weeks. Why the use of Paul Elam’s first name only?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Yeah, it seems kind of ridiculous to me that something like yogurt wouldn’t already be vegetarian. Then again, I just read an article about artificial nanoparticles being inserted into diary products (including yogurt) to make them look prettier, so I guess if the powers that don’t be don’t care about potential adverse health effects from stuff that hasn’t even been tested for human consumption I’m being a bit optimistic in expecting them to care about upsetting vegetarians.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Or dairy products, even.

sarah
10 years ago

@pallygirl

Do you think that Paul gives Woody a biscuit for every post Woody makes here cheering on AVfM? And for every 5th post, Woody gets a pat on the head?

Found some old posts on A Voice Of Men where they are blatantly bribing MRAs to brigade blogs, facebook, etc. (self.againstmensrights)

piratejennie
10 years ago

Thanks kittehs!

I have horrible allergies so this time of year is kinda the pits. One infection clears up and then another jumps in.

I appreciate your concern & your go-ahead to post while doped to the gills.

@pallygirl

If you like to cook, I have a few good recipes for vegan or vegetarian marshmallows. They can be fussy, but still pretty easy.

And I am in the same boat as you, a vegetarian (almost vegan due to a milk allergy but I do eat honey & real butter) who is a relentless label reader and who has assed myself out treats I really want to eat because of snooping out the non-vegetarian ingredients hidden fifteen items down the list.

Isabelle
Isabelle
10 years ago

I would have thought that most jellified candies would use pectin, not gelatine. But that’s the jelly and jam maker talking here.

katz
10 years ago

I imagine that carmine red also drives you vegetarians to distraction.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

My-own-nasal-passages-hate-me fistbump. I ran out of allergy meds and figured I could do without for a couple of weeks because I didn’t have a chance to go get more. That was not a good decision.