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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

@sparky – quotes completely out of context – and not even in the original speakers voice. you people are f**king lunatics – I’ll tell you that

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Sparky,
Because holding misogynists accountable for their words is misandry! Didn’t you know that?

woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

I cant believe what I just watched. I really cant.

Ally S
10 years ago

Who is more tedious: Good or woodyred?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Woodyred,
How are the quotes out of context? What is the proper context for those quotes that make them inoffensive?

Tracy
Tracy
10 years ago

Good. But Good was more fun, bc we could respond to him from Greater Good, Greatest Good, etc.

@woodyred fish slapping dance, seriously. Try it. You’ll get +3 wit.

Ally S
10 years ago

you people are f**king lunatics

Nice disablism there, woody. Now shoo.

Tracy
Tracy
10 years ago

@woodyred are you attending the conference? Genuine question. Whether you are or aren’t, which topic presented at the conference are you most interested in, and why?

Johanna Roberts
10 years ago

@woodyred Tell me. Please tell me, the incest survivor in what context is a quote glorifying incest not sickening and insanely wrong. I’m listening. And it’d better be damn good. I’ll tell you right now, there is NO situation in which incest is good. Never. At all. Ever. No. And the other quotes? I can’t think of a context where describing beating someone’s head against a wall becomes anything but a terrible act of unforgivable violence. It’s not justified.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

woodyred: You keep saying those quotes are “out of context” as if that is some kind if magical charm that is going to somehow change the meaning of what the speaker of the quotes is actually saying.

So yes, please provide the context in which those quotes aren’t completely hateful.

woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger – what are you ? a sick maniac ? surely their original context was not to be snipped out of conversations to purposefully make them look like … women haters or whatever – and then compiled into a video by the biggest feminist fruit loop on youtube – and even then – read by other people. you people are absolutely insane- and yes – call me ableist – you f**king lunatics.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@woodyred

take them out of context as much as you like – I really do agree with their respective points of view – and I do follow them on their channels and blogs.

what do you think about that, manboobz ?

I don’t know what “Manboobz” thinks, but I really don’t care if you follow misogynistic cranks on their channels and blogs. I think everyone realizes and accepts the fact that lots of people read and watch all sorts of stupid shit on the internet.

LOL about you describing these statements as “mean thing” however. That’s some keen critical reading on your part.

woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

if this is modern feminism – and this is the true nature and substance of your opposition to the mens rights movement – you people are in for a f**king big shock. Im sorry – but its true. you people are having a laugh.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
10 years ago

Anyone else starting to smell sock?

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Ablist slurs?
Woody, be honest, are you trying to get banned or are you just too lazy to read the posted rules?

Could you brave defenders of MRM please explain to me how you plan to end the draft, make work places safer or ensue men are considered capable caregivers by the courts by raping and beating more women and abusing and raping more children? Exactly how does claiming that women cause men’s bad behaviors by fucking them help male victims of rape and domestic violence?
Seriously, how do you have the gall to pretend you care about male survivors of child abuse by encouraging their parents to rape them? How does it help boys to tell their dads to beat and rape their moms? How exactly is claiming that abused women are asking for it or that raped women are “begging for it” supposed to help men and boys? How does that work?

It doesn’t. Just like “white rights” is really about raging racist asshats who aren’t very bright putting down POC in order to excuse their hatred and make themselves feel less like the pathetic losers they are, “men’s rights” is only about hating women and encouraging misogyny.

Tracy
Tracy
10 years ago

@woodyred anything you can point us to that might change our minds?

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

So I see woodyred can’t answer a basic question and has instead resorted to
ableist slurs.

woodyred: Can you answer this or not? In what context would these quotes be anything other than woman-hating? What is the context that makes them understandable and reasonable.

I mean, geez, those are whole paragraphs there, not tiny little snippets.

But anyway, I shall now brainwash you all into becoming chefs by providing some quotes from chefs:

I think careful cooking is love, don’t you? The loveliest thing you can cook for someone who’s close to you is about as nice a valentine as you can give.

Julia Child

What nicer thing can you do for somebody than make them breakfast?

Anthony Bourdain

Never be a food snob. Learn from everyone you meet – the fish guy at your market, the lady at the local diner, farmers, cheese makers. Ask questions, try everything and eat up!

Rachael Ray

sadiesummer
10 years ago

@Woody, none of those quotes are out of contents, you can go read everything in full. And if you support that clown Stefan molyneux there’s something seriously wrong with you.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Woodyred,
Calling me a sick maniac isn’t a real answer. If you are so certain those quotes are taken out of context, surely you can provide the real context for them. Explain why we are wrong. Explain the proper context. Do it without name calling.

woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

@Tracy – yes – and I appreciate your open mindedness – thank you ♥ –

I liked Kristals definition of an MRA – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH5dl49CmHs

and this a recent google hangout with Dr. Tara Palmatier, Paul Elam and Dean Esmey -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ahPYFrMA60

just listen to what they are saying. listen. we’re not monsters. we dont hate women – honest.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

More slurs?
Dark lord notified.

Woody,
You just figured out that we’re laughing at you?

What did you think “Misogyny, I mock it” meant, sweetums?

Yes, this is modern feminism. We dismantle you bad arguments like we’re stripping an old car, call out your bigoted, vile rhetoric and then sit back and have a chuckle at you flailing, sputtering and in general making even bigger asses of yourself in an attempt to defend your shitty, shitty ideology.

If you don’t want to be ridiculed, try not being so fucking ridiculous.

Until then, I’m going to have as much fun at your expense as time allows.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

“I’m more witty than other trolls! See how quickly I descend into using a heap of ableist slurs? Isn’t that just the heart and soul of wit?”

Oscar Wilde, woody ain’t.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

*ensure*
I can no do typing good today.
:/
It could be worse though.
I could be bad at typing and be a dim witted misogynist scumbag.
So, there’s that.

woodyred
woodyred
10 years ago

@ sparky – “ableist slurs”- I used the phrase “mad as a box of frogs” here before – and you people turned on me like a pack of jackals. does it upset you so much ??

I have friends with serious mental illnesses – my brother has a mental illness – yet Im supposed to bow down to you sanctimonious sh*ts ? youre gonna tell me what I can and cant say ? you wish, pal. what give you people the right ?

sadiesummer
10 years ago

Woodyred, most mras are terrible human beings. End of story.