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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

Marie I don’t have a problem with it. But I don’t think it’s productive for the cause to treat people that way. If you are “mean” to people they won’t generally join your cause. Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Pfffft I’m middle-class and even in the 60s and 70s, private schools were way beyond my family’s means (didn’t stop my stupid father humiliating my siblings by putting them in unaffordable schools, though).

Somehow, with my ‘umble state school education, and nary a grammar lesson that I can remember, I came out knowing how to write and punctuate. Methinks “Elizabeth” aka probable sock’s parents should get a refund.

Hmmm … anyone playing Guess the Sock yet? This “I was totes a feminist” BS is such a standard sock line. Pell, maybe? Blog herpes? They’re both fond of pretending to be women.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I can’t do breakfast in general, at least the American or British versions. It’s the eggs, I’m not a fan.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Lol, if they have good intentions, they don’t call themselves MRAs more than once.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

Ok sorry maybe I am slightly above middle class then, my mistake. I don’t consider myself particularly preppy except for lingo maybe. My dad in particular is very down to earth but everyone in family as well.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@Elizabeth

Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.

::bitter laughter::

You are so wrong.

@kittehs

I still think it’s erin (obviously)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

The “if I say I’m a woman they’ll have to take me seriously” troll disease seems to be spreading lately.

Oh, sorry, it seems to be..speading….lately..?

kittehserf
10 years ago

We crumpetists are in hiding.

Closeted crumpetists, or would that be pantry’d crumpetists?

Marie – I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this is “Erin” back again. Has anyone emailed the Dark Lord yet?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I don’t consider myself particularly preppy except for lingo maybe.

Pretending to be British is a new addition to the disease.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

If you want to get all pedantic about grammer kittehserf then I can punctuate clearly if you would prefer? But language is for communicating. If I get the message across to you then my writing has served it’s function. There’s my equivalent pedantic explanation.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I read that as “panty’d crumpetists” and my mind went all “oo er missus” in honor of the Carry On films of my childhood.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

I am British. Half scottish, quarter irish, quarter english, and a smidge of italian.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I’m a pantry’d crumpetist through and through. Although my porridgest ancestry is coming to the fore at the moment.

Oats what a wonderful morning,
oats what a wonderful day…

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

Wonder when David will get here and take away the chewtoy ban the sock.

What can I say poking trolls feels very fun to me when I feel like shit.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
10 years ago

My vote is for Erin too. Nobody’s this clueless for this long.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@Eliza-erin

egggcellent.

I’m american. 3/8 greek, 1/8 russian, 1/2 a bunch of countries in western europe I can’t remember.

why are we sharing?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

The name is MRA. It’s supporting mens rights, which you’d thinik most men would be in favour of, so there is bound to be men with good intentions associating with it. Though i would argue against the idea of MRA just the same as feminism.

But if you know nothing about it, how can you draw these conclusions? You could similarly try to argue that white supremacists are supporting white rights and so most whites would be in favour of that because everyone deserves rights!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Can the oats come with brown sugar and raisins? If so, I’m in. If not I can make congee or laksa.

kittehserf
10 years ago

::rolls eyes:: not the old “be nice” bullshit. Yeah, go tell that to MRAs who want to remove women’s voting rights, remove all our human rights in fact, to be able to beat and rape us with impunity, to force us to give birth or abort at their whim. Tell me what human rights men miss out on as a class. Tip: there aren’t any.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Elizabeth

“Marie I don’t have a problem with it. But I don’t think it’s productive for the cause to treat people that way. If you are “mean” to people they won’t generally join your cause. Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.”

Did you read my post? I told you that treating people nicely is not gonna get you anywhere because it just makes them think that their behavior is acceptable. You have to stand up to the hateful garbage that they spew. Calling out bigotry or just awful stuff is not mean it’s actually the opposite it’s being awesome. You are standing up for the weak and wounded.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

But I don’t think it’s productive for the cause to treat people that way. If you are “mean” to people they won’t generally join your cause. Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.

“The cause”? Who talks like that? I’m guessing a middle aged North American man, just for the hell of it. We have British people on the board, elizabeth, so feel free to establish your British bonafides if you can. Or you can leave, that works too.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

Well there are quotes on this page from MRAs which are pretty bad so I’d assume they are generally not doing much good but that some are bound to have good intentions. I wouldn’t support a movement called the white supremacy movement either because the name would perpetuate more problems, even if it was intended for good, the name wouldn’t have a good effect.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Yes, brown sugar is fine although I prefer sultanas to raisins. 🙂

This is what I have been eating in the morning as the omeprazole I am taking means I have to eat 15 minutes before taking a tablet (just eaten all the apple and cinnamon ones):
http://www.uncletobys.com.au/product_detail/oats-quick-sachets-fruit-variety/

kittehserf
10 years ago

I read that as “panty’d crumpetists” and my mind went all “oo er missus” in honor of the Carry On films of my childhood.

I don’t want crumpets in my panties! :O

Hey troll, so which is it: you came out of school without even the understanding that punctuation and grammar ARE how we communicate; or you’re just too fucking lazy to bother; or you’re actually a lying sockpuppet?

Protip: “it’s” is short for “it is”. The possessive is “its”.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

since when did being nice to people become bs? Honestly this is the first time in my entire life I’ve heard people condemning the idea of being nice to others. I would have thought this was universally considered a good thing.

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