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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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Omnicrom
Omnicrom
10 years ago

Well elizabeth, the first rule of holes is to stop digging. The second rule when you find yourself in a hole is to figure out how you got there in the first place. Have you been listening to what others are saying? Are you becoming more cognizant of why your approach set off flags, and of what and why people disagreed with what you’ve said?

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

My initial post was with the best of intentions and now I’ve got caught up in dispute I don’t really have anything left to say now. It was interesting to hear your perspectives and where you are coming from at least.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

yes omnicrom I still stand by what I said in the first place though, which is no doubt going to peeve people off unintentionally, but I think to achieve equality you have to get everyone on board

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

… I don’t really have anything left to say now.

I don’t really believe you. Not after that glorious failure of a flounce.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@elizabeth

@Marie “…That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.” – that’s what it says on google definiton which is generally correct

-_- ………

um not sure what to say to this but whuu??????

yeah, you’re going to need to do a lot of ‘hole filling’ to get away form that whole ‘men are oppressed cuz some guy I knew had his kids taken away from him.

or maybe you werent trying to claim it was all men. maybe you *just happened* to be using examples of women who don’t feel oppressed (you and your mother) and *just happened* to be using example of a man who you think has been oppressed, and to make some point about how we totally don’t need feminsm guys.

or hwatever your fucking shtick is. I can’t tell anymore.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

but lets not start that again. More than anything I just had thoughts about the feminist movement and wanted to get them out I guess.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

My initial post was with the best of intentions and now I’ve got caught up in dispute I don’t really have anything left to say now. It was interesting to hear your perspectives and where you are coming from at least.

A second flounce are we sure elizabeth isn’t erin?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Elizabeth
“fruitloopsie

“Taking kids away is not being oppressed.” – it was oppression to take the kids away from him, he had done nothing wrong. That;s my opinion.”

I said that the court chooses what’s best for the child. Sure, he may have not done anything wrong but the court chooses the parent who has done more for the child. Fathers have chances to gain custody or more time for visiting if they just ask.

I don’t care if it’s your opinion you can’t compare oppression: forbidding women and blacks the right to vote, have education, own property, etc and be treated like property/slaves to losing your kids in custody. That is very extreme.

Elizabeth
I was like you I thought being nice to people will change them but it doesn’t always work it just tells them that it’s acceptable and they will keep doing it and there are times you have to step up and call them out for their hateful garbage.

And yes women are still oppressed not as much as before but we still need feminism. I really don’t want to explain because it will take a long time. So you need to google it or talk to other feminists.

Here is a site you can look at

MA’AM men against assholes and misogny

The men on there talk about what they witness on what women go through and there are other sites too.

Omnicrom

I hope you find what you are looking for.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@dustedeste

“… I don’t really have anything left to say now.” (me)

I don’t really believe you. Not after that glorious failure of a flounce.”

I’m literally all done. I don’t know what a flounce is.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@elizabeth

but lets not start that again. More than anything I just had thoughts about the feminist movement and wanted to get them out I guess.

then type them up to a word document. don’t spew them on strangers who don’t care.

also, the flounce? what happened to it?

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
10 years ago

Elizabeth, just fuck off. Take your delicate feelings and offended sensibilities and go.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

ok google definition says “go or move in an exaggeratedly impatient or angry manner.” – i wasn’t leaving in a flounce, actually I felt more like I got my head bitten off, and thought shall I leave it seems to be pointless

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@elizabeth

I’m literally all done. I don’t know what a flounce is.

it’s when you storm off and say you’re going to leave.

which you’ve done 3 times by now.

so please, just leave.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

You put your first flounce in,
You take your first flounce out,
You put your second flounce in,
Then you shake it all about…

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@hippodameia8527 I don’t have delicate feelings. I will go.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
10 years ago

Yes, dear, we can tell that you “don’t know what a flounce is.”

Go.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

I was just responding to comments addressed to me Marie. I haven’t been storming off 😛

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@elizabeth
You simply can’t get everyone on board, it’s just not a reasonable goal. Can you give me a historical example of everybody getting on board in order to make positive political or social change in the past? I can’t see how it’s possible or why you think it’s essential.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Marie, I was thinking the same exact thing. If elizabeth’s not Erin trying on a new sock, they’re certainly cut from the same cloth.

Also, just sayin’, but I really don’t buy it when some rando starts commenting here, usually CLEARLY in bad faith, and then pulls out the whole “Oh but I’ve never even HEEEEAAAAARD of MRAs before!” bull.

Like, if so, how the fuck did you end up here??

Omnicrom
Omnicrom
10 years ago

The problem is that you will not get everyone on board. If you need to get everyone to agree with you to bring about a more just and equal society that society will never come. It would be a wonderful world to live in where you could get everyone to agree with a positive social movement, but it isn’t the world I live in. The inveterate MRAs? The people that this blog skewers and mocks and exposes to the sun? They are not interested in equality, and barring something truly drastic and fantastical happening people like Heartiste and Paul Elam and the vast array of Misogynists in the MRM will never get on board.

Let me pose a question to you elizabeth: Can you name any single social movement that has ever succeeded by being nice and polite? Can you name a single social movement that stood for equality and achieved its ends without rocking the boat? Can you indeed name a single social movement that ever had “everyone on board”? It would be nice if everyone could agree to treat others humanely as equals, but if that were the case there would be no need for a Feminist movement, or indeed any other social justice movement. The fact that they need to exist precludes that the problems they address can be easily solved by getting everyone on board.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
10 years ago

Yeah, we know because you’re still here despite having said at least three times that you were going to leave. Fucking leave already.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Elizabeth, the best advice for good faith posters in a pickle is to take a break.

Do something fun/relaxing.

Come back and reread in an hour, or a day, or a couple days if you want, to try and track down what set off the mess. Right now, you’re reacting, and we’re reacting right back, and it’s all ugly. Time to cool off is in order.

If you can figure it out, feel free to apologize after the break, or clarify in a single post.

Don’t double down after that post. Take another break if things go badly.

Holes + Digging = More Mess + Deeper Holes

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

(I saw the link on Yahoo Answers just so you know)

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@pallygirl

You put your first flounce in,
You take your first flounce out,
You put your second flounce in,
Then you shake it all about…

::clapping::

@elizaberin

@hippodameia8527 I don’t have delicate feelings. I will go.

4.

I shall now name this attitude:

Frequent Flounce Failure .

(I saw the link on Yahoo Answers just so you know)

Wow much reliable source very impress.

Omnicrom
Omnicrom
10 years ago

Indeed. The first rule of holes is to stop digging elizabeth. If you truly are posting in good faith then prove it, stop posting, read more comments, ask questions if you are confused, and stop acting like a tone troll.

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