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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men's upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

there is nothing false about me you are reading into this way too much. I have been very honest and open. I think I will leave now. I don’t think this is helpful for anyone.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

1 last thing:

“We want people to be treated with respect and not trampled on” – you must be kidding me dustedeste, all you did was trample on me from the moment I arrived and for no reason. I’m not blaming you but if that’s what you want then for some reason that’s not how you have conversed with me.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

“I’m going to flounce! but one last thing…”

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

contrapangloss thanks for the info interesting

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Elizabeth,

It can be rough. The folks in this section of the web see soo many trolls who start with “Feminism has accomplished it’s purpose and isn’t necessary” and end with rape apologia, abusive language, and other nasties.

We’ve also had tone trolls, who tell us we should be nicer… and then head down the same route.

You’ve kind of been posting like them.

That doesn’t mean you are them, just that you’ve inadvertently mimicked them.

My best advice is to just take a break for a bit. Seriously. Go pet a dog, read a book, play tetris, watch the Venus project video again, do something else. Try again later. Keep the same nym, because sockpuppeting is a nuisance.

You’ve got a hole, so stop digging for now. You can start filling it in, later, after your break.

Then, next time, don’t start off with “I think your movement is unnecessary, and here’s something you should do instead”.

For some reason, that doesn’t tend to fly well…

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Elizabeth,
If you’re for real, and you really are a woman who thinks that all anger directed at her is somehow her fault and that is genuinely unaware and rushing in to fret about how unfair feminism is and how mean we are with misinformation and good intentions, I’m very sorry that I suspect you of being disingenuous.

It is possible that you mean well, but just are not familiar with the issues and topics being discussed here.

Stick around and you’ll see why I’m incredulous. Click some links. Go visit AVfM. Familiarize yourself.

What ever conclusion you come to, it will be more informed.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Good riddance to bad rubbish (and disingenuous bullshit).

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

Wait is it Impossibly Thickheaded New Troll Day? Why didn’t any one tell me?

Elizabeth doesn’t understand the concept of misogyny or oppression in general, but she thinks her dad having his kids taken away is oppression? That’s the first and only example of oppression she recognizes, though she’s completely incapable of explaining why?

Sorry Folks but…
I call SHENANIGANS!

http://www.f150forum.com/attachments/f15/30968d1296063921t-random-picture-thread-no-memes-shenanigans4.jpg

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4116240128/h35F56A1E/

I suspect TOMFOOLERY!

http://s774.photobucket.com/user/thughes3267/media/7834425290.jpg.html

I humbly suggest that she can’t explain the reason she believes that’s oppression because she’s a MRA and can’t come up with a believable non-MRA reason.
That;s my opinion.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@Marie:

“Taking kids away is not being oppressed.” – it was oppression to take the kids away from him, he had done nothing wrong. That;s my opinion.” (me)

“#1 that’s still not what oppression means, jackass.

#2 not really taking your word for this hwole thing, seeing as how you arne’t here in good faith.”

#1 I have explained already that by definition “oppressed = subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment.” – so by definition taking the kids away from the parent is oppression.

#2 I am here in good faith.

katz
10 years ago

I rate that flounce 4/10, but with deductions, that comes out to an even 0.

katz
10 years ago

Aaand now it’s down to -2.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Sorry for the tl;dr’s everyone. 🙁

Brooked, but do you suspect MALARKEY?

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@Lea

“instead of admonishing us to blame ourselves for their rage and kiss up to the people who hate us?” – I am certainly not doing that whatsoever, or at least that’s not my intention at all.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

elizabeth.
Ok. I’m sorry. I’ll start over if that’s OK with you.
Is that OK?

katz
10 years ago

-4

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@Elizabeth

Wow way to stick to the flounce what was that, 10 miinutes tops, if I’m being charitable and not counting your ‘one last thing’ post.

#1 I have explained already that by definition “oppressed = subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment.” – so by definition taking the kids away from the parent is oppression.

…That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.

#2 I am here in good faith.

Prove it.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@Lea

“who thinks that all anger directed at her is somehow her fault” – I didn’t mean it’s my fault they are angry, I just meant they are angry because of things, not me, other things.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

Or also me, but not just me.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

“rushing in to fret about how unfair feminism is” – never said this

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

What a fucking trainwreck.

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

that’s ok Lea 🙂

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@contrapangloss

Yup, that’s a bunch of malarkey!

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/28478148.jpg

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

sorry I came across as a bad intentioned troll

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

@Marie “…That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.” – that’s what it says on google definiton which is generally correct

elizabeth
elizabeth
10 years ago

in my experience

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