Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.
If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!
Mike Buchanan has said:
I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …
Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.
Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote
Stefan Molyneux has said:
Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.
And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.
If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …
Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!
Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.
Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.
Erin Pizzey has said:
If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.
Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred
SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.
Karen Straughan has written:
I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.
A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.
He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.
Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.
Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.
Warren Farrell has said:
The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …
Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.
If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …
We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.
Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …
It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.
Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.
Warren Farrell has said:
Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …
When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …
[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.
Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men
Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.
Paul Elam has said:
In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.
I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess.
Now, am I serious about this?
No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.
But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.
Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men
Paul Elam is a voice of hatred
SOURCE for Elam’s quote.
For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.
Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!
@contrapangloss
I wasn’t directly given the Welcome Package, but I did follow the link that was posted earlier in this very thread, during the discussion of woody the ableist asshole. I cut my teeth fighting in troll wars over on Pharyngula and elsewhere, so a lot of this is old hat. Thank you very much for the official welcome mat though.
Erin meanwhile sounds like a tremendously sad individual.
@fruitloopsie
That’s not the one I was thinking of, but it’s still good so thanks for it nonetheless.
@elizabeth
So you believe “…in all life on earth living to the highest standards possible”, unless those people have to argue and fight to live at those highest standards because they aren’t living in the highest standards possible? Or by possible you mean “Without rocking the boat, living in a sexist, unjust, and unequal society”? Because if it’s “highest standards possible without rocking the boat” then I quite think I see where you part ways with Feminists and Feminism.
@Robert
You came out in high school in 1978 AND tried to bring your boyfriend to the prom? You sir are a gay badass. Mad props.
Gay badasses don’t need no Gay-Straight Alliance Club or ACLU because they’re so badass.
I am reminded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzjBfTDH20
I am just not firing on all cylinders today. Insomnia is not my friend.
On the other hand, my husband has discovered that a sleepy Lea A) thinks everything is funny and B) is highly susceptible to earworms. He keeps asking me who lives in a pineapple under the sea, saying random things to the tune of Bill Cosby’s Picture Pages, or humming Walk Like an Egyptian. Which, thanks to everything being funny, cracks me up every time.
When I finally fall alseep, I’m going to have the weirdest dreams.
saintnick86 very interesting.
I am not aware that I have “basically generalized feminism extensively” – please can you quote me on that?
“It may be common for people to be arguing, but it’s unhelpful and avoidable.” (me), “It’s more unavoidable than you think.”
I have yet to meet anyone discussing feminism on either side of the discussion who is against gender equality. I think most people are fighting for the same thing but get wound up by each other because they have committed themselves to labels/sides. That’s my experience. Looking at what has happened since I’ve joined onto this comment board for example, I have tried to be good about things, but I think it’s fair to say I’ve been to some extent verbally attacked (not by everyone, but to quite a significant degree, and I’m not saying it’s anyones’ fault), despite the fact that we effectively all want the same thing, so I think you’ll agree that is an example of argumentativeness which was totally avoidable and unhelpful?
“My point is that whatever a particular group or philosophy call themselves is still not as important as the ideas which they support and promote.” – I agree totally but that’s not how people work as has been shown since I’ve entered this thread. I can’t constructively suggest the flaws and ideas for improvement as I see it without being silenced/condemned/told to leave. So people do subject themselves to labels and movements as if they belong to that group. They don’t put the ideologies above the group. Generally speaking this is common human nature, to side with the group rather than what is logically best. Which is why it is extremely important for the label of the group to support everyone by design.
I have no experience with MRA so I don’t really know much about it.
@contrapangloss okay.
Thank you for the welcome package 😛
saintnick86 “so is everyone else here” – well it went from standing up for what you believe in to verbally blitzing me somewhere along the lines…
In reply to racnad at https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-3/#comment-516979
Don’t presume you know what my professional expertise and background is, you clueless fuck. I am well-qualified to attack the Psychology Today piece, which I did. If the blogger was so well qualified in “the dynamics of male/female relationships” why did they only cite two articles in apparent support, neither of which actually addressed the conclusion they came to at the end of their piece?
To argue back to me, you must show me where I am wrong in my attacks on what the blogger did, on Psychology Today.
Off you go, argue against my criticisms of the piece.
(not you, just generally speaking some of the responses to me haven’t been standing up for what they believed in)
Elizabeth, we do not want the same things at all. You want people (mostly women, from the look of things) to shut up and just be nicer to those who oppress them because OH NOEZ ARGUMENTS ARE MEEEEAAAAAN. We want people to be treated with respect and not trampled on, and for human rights to be universally recognized, and are willing to fight – nay, even argue – to achieve that goal, because it’s damn well not happening if we all just sit still in this boat so as not to rock it.
Now I’m going to nicely repeat my initial comment, which was that your position is laughably and willfully ignorant, and encourage you to take Lea’s advice and fuck straight off, because that welcome package ain’t for you.
@Marie
“I believe in all life on earth living to the highest standards possible” (me), “Wow what a meaningless stock phrase spitting out says so little about what you actually think should happen.”
I meant that I would like people/animals/all living things on earth to have the best lives possible. When I was a kid I was very happy innocent optimistic and when you are just seeing the world for the first time at a young age, or me at least, I saw all the flaws and inadequacies and just thought that the problems were easily solvable, why are people starving someone should help them it’s so simple, etc. I remember just thinking life on earth could be paradise there’s no reason why not, and that’s what I’m in favour of ultimately.
“fruitloopsie
“Taking kids away is not being oppressed.” – it was oppression to take the kids away from him, he had done nothing wrong. That;s my opinion.
But not if we have to argue to get there.
*clutches pearls*
Then maybe you should’ve read more of the blog and lurked more in the comment sections before jumping in to tell us how we should speak to MRAs. They consistently say misogynistic things. They also frequently say other kinds of bigoted things.
These aren’t people we feel any obligation to be nice to.
Elizabeth, there is a chance you are legit, and that your father was discriminated against in that one instance. However, such discrimination is not systematic.
Although only 1 in 6 children in custody were in the custody of their fathers,
according to the 2009 US census report on custodial mothers and fathers, that discrepancy is not the full story, by a longshot.
For instance, in patriarchical tradition, women do most of the child rearing. Even in homes with multiple incomes, women tend to do twice the child-care and more housework then the men, although it’s been getting better. Here’s a link with the pew data explained slightly more nicely than having to dig through the actual study.
Furthermore, most custody is decided out of the court system. When men request custody from the court, they recieve it approximately 70% of the time (which is about the same as mothers). For this one, I can’t just drop one link, because no one’s managed to do the thorough combining of all states data (since I seem to be defaulting to the US).
But, have a state
Here’s Massachusetts, ringing in at over 70%!
Other states seem to fall into the same category, however Minnesota admitted that stereotypes harm custody decisions, because men are given less consideration as caregivers.
At the same time, men were also found to be given inordinate credit for diapering or other skills… The relevant pages are s9 and s10.
If you just want to thumb through the findings of a bunch of states, this place has links for you to do your own digging.
Be warned that a lot of the states are way more worried about other issues. For instance, Alaska’s court system is trying to focus on fairness towards native groups, since there are a lot of cultural differences. For instance, a lack of a word meaning ‘Guilty’ in the legal sense in the Yupik language, the fact that it’s hard to have a branch of the courts in outlying rural villages, the fact that the adversarial system for courts makes absolutely no flipping sense to a lot of these cultural groups…
… so yeah, some of the fairness task forces deal more with “HIRE MORE INTERPRETERS, FOOLS!” and less with “Child custody is gender biased and problematical.”
@elizabeth
still fairly meaningless.
@elizabeth
#1 that’s still not what oppression means, jackass.
#2 not really taking your word for this hwole thing, seeing as how you arne’t here in good faith.
@Lea
I was purely responding to this statement when i spoke of my own experience:
“But the truth is that women are oppressed not men. And therefore women need a movement, not men. That’s precisely why men aren’t included. They are oppressors of women.”
Which I do not agree with. Not to say it hasn’t some truth to it, maybe it does.
elizabeth,
If you have decided that everyone who is angry with you is angry because of something you have done, why aren’t you admonishing misogynists to stop making us angry, instead of admonishing us to blame ourselves for their rage and kiss up to the people who hate us?
How did you come to that conclusion exactly? Why exactly does the burden of charity roll downhill?
You cannot be for reals. You may claim only have the benefit from 20 years of life, but I know teens who could think circles around you. You are denying that there is a need for feminism, telling people to just be nicer to the hateful douchnozzles who want to rape, abuse and oppress us if we want to make progress. (Apparently in 20 years you haven’t read enough to know that we’ve been making progress without kissing up to bigots. We really don’t need you to set the movement straight.) I can’t tell if you’re a real fool or a lying troll playing clueless to get attention, but you definitely are not someone who needs to be giving out advice on how to respond to MRAs, as you just admitted not knowing anything about them.
People too lazy to do their homework do not get to be taken seriously. People demanding civility of minorities do not get to be treated like allies.
You call this a verbal blitz? Then WTF do you call the the things the MRAs, you know, the people this blog post is about, have said about women?
I’m thinking we have another fake “neutral observer” in elizabeth.
@weirwoodtreehugger I wasn’t saying that at all. You have twisted my words. nvm.
Yeah, so that’s the main gist.
Elizabeth, maybe he did nothing wrong. I don’t know him, don’t know the case, I got nothing specific.
However, I think that it was likely more the result of that specific courtroom being awful (if he didn’t do anything), than an overwhelming systematic oppression and discrimination against fathers.
If he didn’t do anything, than I’m sorry that your court experience ate dead mice, because it did. If there were other things that you didn’t know about, due to age, there could have been other factors. I don’t know. I’ll default to “Your dad was a fine person, and the court messed up”, because I like to believe that people are good, and that your father was good, pending evidence.
However, I’m not buying the oppression bit. Unfair and willfully stupid judge/jury? Yes. Oppression, no.
and I know nothing about MRA honestly I couldn’t tell you a single thing about them …. ha what is the point. Read my posts please. Look at them. How I’m getting abuse for them I have no idea…
I’m being cornered I don’t know what to do..
@elizabeth
You can leave. No one is making you stay here. Seriously.
Omnicrom, you’re welcome!
Feel free to enjoy the honorary doormat and door opening ceremony! The scented candles are fun, and hard chairs are always in style.