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Why is A Voice for Men giving a platform to one of Canada’s leading opponents of gay and lesbian rights? [UPDATED with AVFM response]

 

Gay marriage isn't a men's right, according to AVFM conference speaker Anne Cools
Gay marriage isn’t a men’s right, according to AVFM conference speaker Anne Cools

A Voice for Men likes to present itself as a voice for gay men as well as straight ones. In a recent post, site founder and chief fulminator Paul Elam declared that

We regard men as human beings, regardless of their sexuality. And most of us feel that this is the salve that heals what has in recent history been inflicted on gay men.

No mention of lesbians, but of course they’re women, and Elam does not seem to like women very much.

AVFM managing editor Dean Esmay, meanwhile, likes to present himself as a champion not only of gay men but of lesbians as well, boasting in one recent tweet that “I have been lesbian-supporting since the ’80s.”

So why is AVFM giving a platform to one of Canada’s most influential opponents of same-sex marriage  — and gay and lesbian rights in general?

Canadian Senator Anne Cools, one of the scheduled speakers at AVFM’s upcoming “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has been a staunch opponent of same-sex marriage for decades.

Her objection? That only heterosexual marriage deserves legal protection because gay people can’t make babies – at least not with each other – thus making their interest in sex all about lust.

In a speech before the Canadian senate, she argued that

The public interest in marriage is reproduction, the continuation of the species, the offspring. There is no public interest in sex or the gratification of sexual impulses for their own sake. …

[L]ust, like all human passions, is not to be trusted. Lust and sex on their own have no public character and contain no public interest or public good. Marriage is about man and woman in a peculiar act of bringing forth offspring.

Never mind that plenty of stright couples don’t, or can’t, have kids. Or that some trans men can.

She’s not simply an opponent of same-sex marriage. Cools has consistently opposed other legislation designed to afford gays and lesbians the same basic rights as straight people — and the same legal protections as other victims of bigotry and discrimination.

She opposed adding “sexual orientation” to hate speech legislation, warning that doing so would expose “millions of Canadians…who hold moral opinions about sexuality, to criminal prosecution.” (Needless to say, the passage of the bill in question did not lead to millions of Canadians being rounded up and arrested.)

She also worried that adding “sexual orientation” to hate speech legislation would somehow – I don’t quite understand the logic – encourage the “depathologizing the paraphilias” and ultimately lead to children being “seduced” into dangerous sexual activities. Here’s her argument:

The fact of the matter is, honourable senators, that we discourage children from smoking cigarettes because tobacco is harmful. I would submit that we are talking about some sexual activities that are dangerous and life-threatening. The committee should have the moral courage to hear something of it. I have lost a lot of beloved friends to a variety of these conditions. I have made it my business to instruct myself. That is the first question. You can think about that.

Ms. Landolt, your concern that the term “sexual orientation” is so wide as to involve a wide range of sexual behaviours is well founded. I would like to put on the record here for this committee a document called the Journal of Homosexuality, particularly, volume 20 in 1990. The subject of the entire volume is pedophilia and male intergenerational intimacy, historical, social, psychological and legal perspectives. If you were to open up this text, the foreword is the debate on pedophilia, and the second article is “Man-Boy Relationships: Different Concepts for a Diversity of Phenomena.” It continues with “Pederasty Among Primitives and Institutionalized Initiation.”

She continued:

I want to know about these children out there and the impact that this is having on them, and, in addition to that, all of these children who are being seduced at youthful ages and who are discovering what is happening to them two or three years later. I have done a lot of counselling. I would like to get a greater picture of the problems out there for children on these grounds, because this sexual orientation debate is going on here as though children do not exist.

She also tried to raise the question of “the medical consequences to individuals who involve themselves in activities such as ‘rimming,’ … sado-masochism and so on.”

In explaining her opposition to adding sexual orientation ito the Canadian Human Rights Act, she offered a similar “slippery slope” argument:

The concern is that pederasts and paedophiles will advance claims to engage in adult/child sexual relationships as a matter of human rights; that claims will be advanced on the legal grounds that pederasty and paedophilia are sexual orientations having entitlements.

For more on her various backwards views, as well as the source of that last quote, see here.

On Twitter, I asked Esmay to explain why AVFM is providing a platform for a woman who opposes same-sex marriage. He hasn’t replied.

Another curious Twitterer asked the same question of Janet Bloomfield, the official spokeswoman for the upcoming AVFM conference. She handled the question with her usual (lack of) aplomb.

Alex McKenzie ‏@anArchaeopteryx 3h  @JudgyBitch1 The issue here is that there's a speaker at your conference who is against the rights of gay men. And you're PR, so I ask why.      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 3h  @anArchaeopteryx Her views on shared custody are more relevant. We include a diverse array of speakers with different views @avoiceformen      Reply     Retweet     1 Favorite  Alex McKenzie ‏@anArchaeopteryx 3h  @JudgyBitch1 at a conference for <<men>>      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 3h  @anArchaeopteryx That is not for you to decide @AVoiceForMen @deanesmay Discussion closed. Further tweets will be considered harassment

Apparently AVFM’s much vaunted “compassion for men and boys” doesn’t apply to gay men who want the same basic rights as straight men.

For more on AVFM’s tolerance of homophobia – and Elam’s notorious attack on one trans women, see here.

EDIT: After I put this post up, I decided to see if I might have better luck at getting answers from Bloomfield on Twitter. The conversation went about as well as could be expected. Remember, Bloomfield is AVFM’s offical “social media” spokeswoman for the conference.

 David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle  @JudgyBitch1 Why is AVFM providing a platform for one of Canada's most influential opposents of gay rights? http://wp.me/p17cYK-3bW       Reply     Delete     Favorite  12:23 PM - 19 Jun 2014 Tweet text Reply to @JudgyBitch1       JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 20m      @DavidFutrelle Because she also one of Canada's most influential supporters of children and father's rights after divorce.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 19m      @JudgyBitch1 So the fact that she's been actively campaigning against gay and lesbian rights for decades doesn't bother you at all?     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 15m      @DavidFutrelle I vigorously denounce the anti-gay rights agenda. I don't have to agree with 100% of her beliefs. She cares for men and boys     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 13m      @JudgyBitch1 If you denounce her agenda, will you publicly denounce her for pushing this agenda? If not, why not?     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 11m      @JudgyBitch1 If you don't want to be seen as endorsing her agenda, put out a statement explicitly denouncing her for supporting this agenda     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 11m      @DavidFutrelle You think Twitter is private? Of course I would, I know how to criticize respectfully. Don't always choose to though.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 10m      @JudgyBitch1 Is she being paid for speaking at your conference, or being provided with lodging, transportation expenses, and so on?     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 9m      @DavidFutrelle None of your business @avoiceformen @deanesmay     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 9m      @DavidFutrelle You do not get a say.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 9m      @JudgyBitch1 Well, let's hear you specifically, and officially, repudiate her for supporting a bigoted agenda.     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 8m      @DavidFutrelle I do not take orders from you. I don't take orders from anyone, actually.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 7m      @JudgyBitch1 That's not the issue.The issue is whether AVFM supports Cools and her anti-gay agenda.If it doesn't, you should probably say so     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 6m      @DavidFutrelle This issue is closed. Any further tweets will be taken as harassment and you will be blocked.dfjb2dfjb3

I didn’t see her comment about harassment until after I tweeted a couple more times.

David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 15m  @JudgyBitch1 I'm not issuing orders.But if you don't want people to think AVFM supports her bigoted anti-gay agenda,you should repudiate her Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 14m  @JudgyBitch1 Or at the very least issue a statement officially saying that AVFM opposes her anti-gay agenda. Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 14m  @DavidFutrelle Go write a column about it, David. Get us even more press. We could use Canadian coverage. And good-bye. You were warned. Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 13m  @JudgyBitch1 Would you have a racist speak at your conference if he or she supported your position on some other issue?

Some more bang-up public relations work from Ms. Bloomfield here.

 

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Matheus
Matheus
6 years ago

“Describing a plan to get rapists off the hook, legally speaking, as “bad taste” pretty much puts you into the not even worth engaging with category.”

Should I have said “good taste”? Fuck off.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Misogynistic AND dumb as a box of rocks. He’s a winner, this one.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

cassandrakitty – Dishonest too. REALLY dishonest.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Matheus

I think his comment was of bad taste.

What a sanitized way of putting it.

However, there have been many proven cases of false allegations.

Where the hell are one of our stat wizards? I’m POSITIVE they had a good study somewhere that showed rape cases had the same or lower rates of false allegations as other crimes… somewhere like 2-5% or something? *is operating on old memories*

you seem to assume that every allegation that is not proven to be false must be true, which really makes no sense.

See, I know a LOT of people who’ve been raped and never pressed charges. The statute of limitations ran out, they didn’t have the money, their rapist WAS the money, they were ten years old… the list goes on.

The thing is, Matheus, I am not a court of law. I am not going up to every rapist and carting them off to civilian jail. Believing someone who tells me they have been raped does not require me to do any lawbreaking or unethical thing… or even acknowledge the rapist’s existence. All I have to do is support the person who tells me. At worst, I’ve been schnookered by a liar, and all my comforting and recs of books and websites have been a waste of time. At best, I’ve helped someone who’s just gone through hell.

As a rape survivor myself, I know which person I would rather be.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

Wow, I was way off on my 24 hour estimate, Now we’ve got this jackass to deal with
SORRY EVERYONE

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

BTW, not that it’s worth bothering in this case, but what say you, Mammotheers, about the idea of reviving the Manboobz challenge? By which I mean, anyone who’s reached this stage of pointless frothing should be obliged to provide documented evidence of these mythical reasonable, non-violent MRAs or be ignored completely.

(I would say moderated, but don’t want to dump that much work on the poor mods.)

Matheus
Matheus
6 years ago

“Do I go on? I can find more.”

Is that worse than feminists discussing male genocide and selective abortion of males? No, I don’t think so.

GrumpyOldMan
GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

Fuck off.
Good advice, Matheus — take it.
We all have seen the same links to the same cherry-picked quotes forever.
On AVfM basically you can pick any post at random and taste the woman-hating.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

How about “an awful notion, that should not be condoned”?

Matheus, why isn’t that obvious? Don’t answer, because I get the feeling it’ll just be to excuse Paul’s statement.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Matheus

You seem to have ignored many of the more hateful comments, there.

You posted twenty-one images, all of which were large. I’m sorry that I didn’t read every single one of them looking for the absolute worst things purely so I could discount your argument perfectly. That’s what happens when you post a gallery and not specific quotes; if you wanted me to SPECIFICALLY take on certain quotes, you should’ve posted them outright.

There are a lot of reasonable, non-violent MRAs (the majority)

Good! I want to meet them! I mean this whole-heartedly. Please, link me to them! Tell me who they are! You think I LIKE believing y’all are haters? Please, prove me wrong! I want to believe!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

See, I know a LOT of people who’ve been raped and never pressed charges.

A much sadder and more telling way to frame this is that, of the multiple people I know personally who’ve been raped, not a single one has ever pressed charges. A couple initially attempted to report it, and gave up once their initial encounter with the cops gave them a good idea of what lay ahead of them if they took it to court.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Matheus, this is the last thing I am going to say to you. Yes. Actually killing women and girls is worse than talking about killing men. Yes, yes it is. Write that down. Spell my name right.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Should I have said “good taste”? Fuck off.

No you idiot. Her point was dismissing it as simple bad taste didn’t go far enough. Hopefully Elam will never sit on jury at a rape trial. But what if it gives one of his readers the idea to do the same? The consequences of that is that a rapist goes free. That’s fucking reprehensible.

That comment did nothing but contribute to a culture where victims are blamed or not believed because they had alcohol or were wearing a short skirt or had previously been flirting with the rapist.

The only one who needs to fuck off is you.

Bostonian
Bostonian
6 years ago

No one has ever seen a nonviolent MRA. All the MRAs who call themselves that endorse raping teens, beating women and children, child abandonment, and talk endlessly about violence they want to see perpetrated against the general population that does not share their views.

katz
6 years ago

Yes please, Manboobz challenge! Always good for a laugh.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

LBT, I’m a stats-y person!

I won’t have good access to a database until later tonight (when I sneak back on campus), but I’ll see if I can dig up the old links, then. I think the rates of false reports were fairly close to other crimes; however, rapes tend to be severely under reported to begin with.

I don’t want to jump too far into this, without the data in front of me, but from recall, I’m absolutely sure that the resident troll is using assfax and the anedata assfax of his online peers, and not good database hunting.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

If we give this dude the Manboobz challenge can we make him do it in pirate talk?

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Fine then. More quotes.

Do you think I am going to stop?

It’s a serious question, because the answer to that question, again if you are not too stupid to grasp the impact of it, should inform you of what will work for you or not work for you in dealing with me.

And the answer is, of course, no, I am not going to stop. You see, I find you, as a feminist, to be a loathsome, vile piece of human garbage. I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.

So, again, do you think I am going to stop?

or

You have trumped over truth, reason and justice with an ersatz victim card, over and over again, and you even attempt to do so now, inferring that anyone who says things you don’t like, about your ass or otherwise, is some sort of threat that must be dealt with – socially and legally.

But no matter what you do, you are going to see a lot more of the things you don’t like in the future. I don’t mean that in the way of violent threats and continued fixation on your rectum, but in much more organized, high impact consequences for those of your ilk, courtesy of the men’s movement.

Simply put, we are coming for you. All of you.

And by the time we are done you will wax nostalgic over the days when all you had to deal with was someone expressing a desire to fuck you up your shopworn ass.

THE FREAKING ARTICLE IS CALLED “STALKING SADY DOYLE” FOR FUCKS SAKE.

Or, how about this, from the mouth of Paul Elam himself? How about a man who said this?

What is missing in this culture is consequences.

Now what this means, just so those of you listening out there — and I, I think with the upcomign press releases, this is going to get spread around quite a bit — is that Mary Jane Rotten Crotch out there, who wants to say that her husband beats her, just for the sake of gaining leverage in a divorce…

He will now have a resource where he can come and post: your name, your picture, your work telephone number, your address, perhaps even your route that you take to get to work (if you bother to have a job)

Does aiding people in stalking, harassing, death threats, and possibly even murder sound like human rights activism? Does saying that “fucking your shit up gives me an erection” sound reasonable?

Or does that reek of hate?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Talk like a pirate? All trolls must talk like a pirate! Excellent rule!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Is that worse than feminists discussing male genocide and selective abortion of males? No, I don’t think so.

Selective abortion of females is something that actually happens you know. The selective abortion of males? Not that I’ve ever heard of. In fact I’ve known plenty feminists with sons. Some of them are regulars here. Do you have any evidence that selective abortion of male fetuses is actually happening?

I also seem to remember lots of MRA trolls both on here and on Jezebel denying that Elliot Rodger was a misogynist even though his manifesto said he wanted to put all women in concentration camps and watch us starve to death.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I guess he realized that he was going to fail the Manboobz challenge, huh?

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Has Matheus been banned yet? I’ve just caught up, and all I see is bloody quote mining. Page after page of selective screen captures is also…quote mining.

Matheus, just in case you’re still reading: it is not sufficient merely to produce quotes that “prove” your assertion about feminists. To show that feminists being actively anti-male is a feature of feminism and not simply an occasional person, you need to show that the overwhelming majority of feminist writing – including books and journal articles – features this type of content.

See, anti-female comments on AVfM is a feature. They occur in the posts, as well as in the comments to the posts. There is no equivalent occurring in feminism.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

A much sadder and more telling way to frame this is that, of the multiple people I know personally who’ve been raped, not a single one has ever pressed charges.

…oh god, I just realized it’s the same on my end. My mother, my uncle, my aunt, the various and sundry friends… hell, I’m the only person I know who even REPORTED it.

RE: thebewilderness

Actually killing women and girls is worse than talking about killing men. Yes, yes it is. Write that down.

Yeah, Matheus is totally not a misogynist. He just DISAGREES with us.

RE: contrapangloss

I won’t have good access to a database until later tonight (when I sneak back on campus), but I’ll see if I can dig up the old links, then.

Thanks, you’re a champion.

RE: cassandrakitty

If we give this dude the Manboobz challenge can we make him do it in pirate talk?

I’d love to, but he seems to have run off. Notice he hasn’t been engaging much with what I’m actually saying, merely whining that I didn’t read twenty-one enormous images to his satisfaction. (I actually chose the four images at random, because I’m incompetent and couldn’t figure out how the damn hotkeys on the gallery worked.)

Seriously, Matheus would be stomped by a high school debate team. It’s sad.

But no really, I really want to be reassured that decent MRAs exist. If he says Warren Farrell, I will fucking CRY.

freshlysqueezedcynic
freshlysqueezedcynic
6 years ago

JudgyBitch, in her conversation with anArchaeopteryx, deflects the question aA raises by saying that some feminists are against gay marriage too, and links to this article as supposed proof:

http://swampland.time.com/2008/11/26/feminism-and-the-3-arguments-against-gay-marriage/

As far as I can tell, it’s an interesting comparison between the reasons why traditionalists and traditional religion dislike gay marriage and feminism, and the essayist quoted seems very strongly in favour of gay marriage and women’s liberation.

Did she just pick up the title without reading the actual piece, or am I misreading it?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Notice he totally didn’t engage with ACTUAL OFFLINE ACTIONS of feminists. I even mentioned Goldman and Solanas, to make it easier for him!

For someone who’s so mad about what feminists are doing, he’s sure focusing on what a few of them are SAYING. While we KNOW that assholes from AVFM have doxxed, harassed, and tried to get people fired from their jobs before.

Where are all these castrating, doxxing feminists with boxcutters I’ve heard so much about?

strivingally
6 years ago

@Matheus:

Your “proof” that David is aligned with violent feminism is not comparing like with like. Most of what David discusses here is either quoting from major names amongst MRAs or people who closely echo their beliefs. Nutpicking a few radfems in the comments section of a website does not show that feminism is violent any more than quoting the KKK shows Christianity is a violent religion.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

LBT – don’t forget, Elam sent out a call for dox, promising to award the doxxer $1000 for their names, home and email addresses, phone numbers, and places of employment. Now, why would a honest human rights activist ever *want* with this information, hmmm?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

But no really, I really want to be reassured that decent MRAs exist. If he says Warren Farrell, I will fucking CRY.

I won’t. I’ll laugh. Anyone who thinks that Captain Child Abuse is a reasonable person and a credit to their movement is pretty much writing CLUELESS ASSHOLE on their own forehead with a sharpie.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

…is pretty much writing CLUELESS ASSHOLE on their own forehead with a sharpie boxcutter.

FTFY.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Grrr why is my strikethrough not working?

…is pretty much writing CLUELESS ASSHOLE on their own forehead with a boxcutter.

/sobs over stupid WordPress

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Alice Sanguinara

Now, why would a honest human rights activist ever *want* with this information, hmmm?

Oh, it’s just that they were PUSHED SO FAR, you know. *eyeroll* They’re willing to justify anything. Hell hath no fury like privilege scorned.

RE: cassandrakitty

I won’t. I’ll laugh.

I know, but I actually don’t LIKE knowing that such a hateful group exists. I ache to be reassured that there are decent blokes among them and have it verified. Contrary to Internet belief, just discounting a group for being assholes is not something I like doing. I’d LOVE to see these guys actually NOT behaving like a hate movement.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The trick is to realize that there are plenty of decent blokes around, but none of them would ever join the MRM, because they’re decent blokes.

kittehserf
6 years ago

pallygirl, WP did that to me with underlining yesterday.

::joins pallygirl in sobbing corner::

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

She cares about men and boys, so long as they are not gay (or trans, I’d bet).
So, she’s a bigot?
Well, I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you, that a bunch of misogynists would invite a homophobe to speak at their first ever conference. /s

So tweeting questions to an official PR rep prior to a con is harassment now?
Questions are orders now too?
LOL!

What a transparent, whiny dipshit.

Has she seen the tweets she’s been sending out lately?

What happened to all those frozen peaches they were on about when their fellow MRAssholes were (and still are) tweeting threats at feminists?

I thought that was “just disagreeing”?

…but questions about a speaker at your con? We can’t have those. That’s harassment.
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

Honestly, if someone wrote these people as characters in a book, I’d think they were too one dimensional and outrageously bad at pretty much everything to be believable.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

They’re the Keystone Misogynists.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

OH YEAH! I ALMOST FORGOT! I remembered this while doing the dishes!

Remember when AVFM had Bell’s manifesto under “Activism”? Said manifesto called for people to bomb courthouses and murder judges. It only got taken down after the Boston Marathon Bombings,

ACTIVISM!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Nutpicking a few radfems in the comments section of a website

This typo is everything Strivingally!

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

A much sadder and more telling way to frame this is that, of the multiple people I know personally who’ve been raped, not a single one has ever pressed charges.

…oh god, I just realized it’s the same on my end. My mother, my uncle, my aunt, the various and sundry friends… hell, I’m the only person I know who even REPORTED it.

Aw fuck, That’s exactly what I thought, too. Of the people I know, offline, who have been raped, not one reported it or pressed charges. Damn damn damn…so many rapist didn’t get brought to justice because of these damned shitty attitudes and rape myths and victim blaming. All the fucking pain this causes. Just, rape culture can just go fuck off already.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Huh, Trolli and Matheus came on and left at the same time. Interesting.

MAYBE THEY’RE ROOMMATES.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Aw, did the Scottish pirate metal scare off the chew toys? Sorry, everyone.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: sparky

Just, rape culture can just go fuck off already.

Yes. Yes it can.

The thing is, and something Matheus neglects to say… is that NONE OF MY RELATIVES told me outright they’d been raped. They just mentioned that the patriarch was a child-molesters. And that bad things happened. And interestingly, our mother had books on child sexual abuse lying around the house. I still don’t know for certain about my aunts, but let’s see, close to our mother’s age… child-molester in the house who molested other kids… two abusive marriages after that, including one extremely violent one… I’d say it’s a fairly safe bet.

But I suppose Matheus would consider my believing that to be a false accusation. Never mind that the fucking patriarch is dead and buried, so I can’t do jack shit to him. Nothing happened to him in life, and nothing will happen to him in death. (Unless the God he believed in actually exists, in which case he is burning in Hell.)

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Awwww, but Scottish pirate metal would have been awesome!

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Matheus needs a sippy cup and his blankie. He’s having a widdle tantrum.

Isn’t it adorable when they think we give two shits about their uninteresting opinions and dull as dishwater comments?

Poor widdle snookums. Him is cranky. Does him need to take a time out?
Him needs to take a time out.
There, there, stupid bigot. You’ll feel better after a nap.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6943160320/hD827CDA1/

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

It exists!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Nutpicking a few radfems in the comments section of a website

This typo is everything Strivingally!

OMG I missed that! ::dies::

Boogerghost
Boogerghost
6 years ago

(Sorry if someone already pointed this out, but you know how Bloomfield tweeted that “lots of feminists are against gay marriage too” and then gave a link in evidence? Yeah, that (very old uncategorized Time) link has exactly zero mentions of anti-gay feminists. It summarizes common arguments against gay marriage and then ends with a quote COMPARING gay rights to women’s rights: http://swampland.time.com/2008/11/26/feminism-and-the-3-arguments-against-gay-marriage/ What does she do for her “evidence,” just use I’m Feeling Lucky on Google search terms?)

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

You must have some brain damage.

Aww…him is an ablist shithead too.
Isn’t that just exactly what you’d expect from an Misogynist Rape Advocate?

It really seems to irk them that they cannot find feminists supporting the horrible shit like they do. Even if they could, how would that excuse them supporting and advocating horrible shit?

Sense, they don’t make any.

Yeah, that (very old uncategorized Time) link has exactly zero mentions of anti-gay feminists. It summarizes common arguments against gay marriage and then ends with a quote COMPARING gay rights to women’s rights:

*cackles with glee*

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Well, except terfs. They’re awful. You can always find them saying horrible shit. You just don’t often see other feminists supporting them.
Thankfully.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
6 years ago

Ah, I see JB is using the ‘hedgehog gambit’. This is a PR technique where the PR person curls up into a spiky ball, and refuses to relate to the public.

As for Matteus–Laziest… Gish-gallop… ever!

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Maybe JB has come into a world from an alternate, reverse universe where they have anti-electrons, anti-protons, and anti-PR.