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Why is A Voice for Men giving a platform to one of Canada’s leading opponents of gay and lesbian rights? [UPDATED with AVFM response]

 

Gay marriage isn't a men's right, according to AVFM conference speaker Anne Cools
Gay marriage isn’t a men’s right, according to AVFM conference speaker Anne Cools

A Voice for Men likes to present itself as a voice for gay men as well as straight ones. In a recent post, site founder and chief fulminator Paul Elam declared that

We regard men as human beings, regardless of their sexuality. And most of us feel that this is the salve that heals what has in recent history been inflicted on gay men.

No mention of lesbians, but of course they’re women, and Elam does not seem to like women very much.

AVFM managing editor Dean Esmay, meanwhile, likes to present himself as a champion not only of gay men but of lesbians as well, boasting in one recent tweet that “I have been lesbian-supporting since the ’80s.”

So why is AVFM giving a platform to one of Canada’s most influential opponents of same-sex marriage  — and gay and lesbian rights in general?

Canadian Senator Anne Cools, one of the scheduled speakers at AVFM’s upcoming “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has been a staunch opponent of same-sex marriage for decades.

Her objection? That only heterosexual marriage deserves legal protection because gay people can’t make babies – at least not with each other – thus making their interest in sex all about lust.

In a speech before the Canadian senate, she argued that

The public interest in marriage is reproduction, the continuation of the species, the offspring. There is no public interest in sex or the gratification of sexual impulses for their own sake. …

[L]ust, like all human passions, is not to be trusted. Lust and sex on their own have no public character and contain no public interest or public good. Marriage is about man and woman in a peculiar act of bringing forth offspring.

Never mind that plenty of stright couples don’t, or can’t, have kids. Or that some trans men can.

She’s not simply an opponent of same-sex marriage. Cools has consistently opposed other legislation designed to afford gays and lesbians the same basic rights as straight people — and the same legal protections as other victims of bigotry and discrimination.

She opposed adding “sexual orientation” to hate speech legislation, warning that doing so would expose “millions of Canadians…who hold moral opinions about sexuality, to criminal prosecution.” (Needless to say, the passage of the bill in question did not lead to millions of Canadians being rounded up and arrested.)

She also worried that adding “sexual orientation” to hate speech legislation would somehow – I don’t quite understand the logic – encourage the “depathologizing the paraphilias” and ultimately lead to children being “seduced” into dangerous sexual activities. Here’s her argument:

The fact of the matter is, honourable senators, that we discourage children from smoking cigarettes because tobacco is harmful. I would submit that we are talking about some sexual activities that are dangerous and life-threatening. The committee should have the moral courage to hear something of it. I have lost a lot of beloved friends to a variety of these conditions. I have made it my business to instruct myself. That is the first question. You can think about that.

Ms. Landolt, your concern that the term “sexual orientation” is so wide as to involve a wide range of sexual behaviours is well founded. I would like to put on the record here for this committee a document called the Journal of Homosexuality, particularly, volume 20 in 1990. The subject of the entire volume is pedophilia and male intergenerational intimacy, historical, social, psychological and legal perspectives. If you were to open up this text, the foreword is the debate on pedophilia, and the second article is “Man-Boy Relationships: Different Concepts for a Diversity of Phenomena.” It continues with “Pederasty Among Primitives and Institutionalized Initiation.”

She continued:

I want to know about these children out there and the impact that this is having on them, and, in addition to that, all of these children who are being seduced at youthful ages and who are discovering what is happening to them two or three years later. I have done a lot of counselling. I would like to get a greater picture of the problems out there for children on these grounds, because this sexual orientation debate is going on here as though children do not exist.

She also tried to raise the question of “the medical consequences to individuals who involve themselves in activities such as ‘rimming,’ … sado-masochism and so on.”

In explaining her opposition to adding sexual orientation ito the Canadian Human Rights Act, she offered a similar “slippery slope” argument:

The concern is that pederasts and paedophiles will advance claims to engage in adult/child sexual relationships as a matter of human rights; that claims will be advanced on the legal grounds that pederasty and paedophilia are sexual orientations having entitlements.

For more on her various backwards views, as well as the source of that last quote, see here.

On Twitter, I asked Esmay to explain why AVFM is providing a platform for a woman who opposes same-sex marriage. He hasn’t replied.

Another curious Twitterer asked the same question of Janet Bloomfield, the official spokeswoman for the upcoming AVFM conference. She handled the question with her usual (lack of) aplomb.

Alex McKenzie ‏@anArchaeopteryx 3h  @JudgyBitch1 The issue here is that there's a speaker at your conference who is against the rights of gay men. And you're PR, so I ask why.      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 3h  @anArchaeopteryx Her views on shared custody are more relevant. We include a diverse array of speakers with different views @avoiceformen      Reply     Retweet     1 Favorite  Alex McKenzie ‏@anArchaeopteryx 3h  @JudgyBitch1 at a conference for <<men>>      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 3h  @anArchaeopteryx That is not for you to decide @AVoiceForMen @deanesmay Discussion closed. Further tweets will be considered harassment

Apparently AVFM’s much vaunted “compassion for men and boys” doesn’t apply to gay men who want the same basic rights as straight men.

For more on AVFM’s tolerance of homophobia – and Elam’s notorious attack on one trans women, see here.

EDIT: After I put this post up, I decided to see if I might have better luck at getting answers from Bloomfield on Twitter. The conversation went about as well as could be expected. Remember, Bloomfield is AVFM’s offical “social media” spokeswoman for the conference.

 David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle  @JudgyBitch1 Why is AVFM providing a platform for one of Canada's most influential opposents of gay rights? http://wp.me/p17cYK-3bW       Reply     Delete     Favorite  12:23 PM - 19 Jun 2014 Tweet text Reply to @JudgyBitch1       JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 20m      @DavidFutrelle Because she also one of Canada's most influential supporters of children and father's rights after divorce.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 19m      @JudgyBitch1 So the fact that she's been actively campaigning against gay and lesbian rights for decades doesn't bother you at all?     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 15m      @DavidFutrelle I vigorously denounce the anti-gay rights agenda. I don't have to agree with 100% of her beliefs. She cares for men and boys     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 13m      @JudgyBitch1 If you denounce her agenda, will you publicly denounce her for pushing this agenda? If not, why not?     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 11m      @JudgyBitch1 If you don't want to be seen as endorsing her agenda, put out a statement explicitly denouncing her for supporting this agenda     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 11m      @DavidFutrelle You think Twitter is private? Of course I would, I know how to criticize respectfully. Don't always choose to though.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 10m      @JudgyBitch1 Is she being paid for speaking at your conference, or being provided with lodging, transportation expenses, and so on?     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 9m      @DavidFutrelle None of your business @avoiceformen @deanesmay     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 9m      @DavidFutrelle You do not get a say.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 9m      @JudgyBitch1 Well, let's hear you specifically, and officially, repudiate her for supporting a bigoted agenda.     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 8m      @DavidFutrelle I do not take orders from you. I don't take orders from anyone, actually.     Details         Reply         Retweet         Favorite     David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 7m      @JudgyBitch1 That's not the issue.The issue is whether AVFM supports Cools and her anti-gay agenda.If it doesn't, you should probably say so     Details         Reply         Retweet         1 Favorite         Delete     JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 6m      @DavidFutrelle This issue is closed. Any further tweets will be taken as harassment and you will be blocked.dfjb2dfjb3

I didn’t see her comment about harassment until after I tweeted a couple more times.

David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 15m  @JudgyBitch1 I'm not issuing orders.But if you don't want people to think AVFM supports her bigoted anti-gay agenda,you should repudiate her Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 14m  @JudgyBitch1 Or at the very least issue a statement officially saying that AVFM opposes her anti-gay agenda. Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  JanetBloomfield ‏@JudgyBitch1 14m  @DavidFutrelle Go write a column about it, David. Get us even more press. We could use Canadian coverage. And good-bye. You were warned. Details      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 13m  @JudgyBitch1 Would you have a racist speak at your conference if he or she supported your position on some other issue?

Some more bang-up public relations work from Ms. Bloomfield here.

 

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Fnoicby
Fnoicby
6 years ago

Clearly Ms. Cools has no idea what the term “sexual orientation” means.

And since she believes marriage and sex should only be for the purposes of procreation, I will assume she has had her marriage dissolved and she has stopped having sex since she passed her child-bearing years.

Dvärghundspossen
6 years ago

Me and Husband ought to get our marriage annulled then, since we don’t wish to have kids, and have had the audacity to be happily married for thirteen years now while using birth control all the time…

Cinzia La Strega
6 years ago

Small correction, David, but it popped out at me:

“Never mind that plenty of stright couples don’t, or can’t, have kids. Or that some trans men can.”

In fact, many trans women have biological children too. My partner is a trans woman and has five biological grandchildren (so far).

AIT
AIT
6 years ago

Compassion for men* and boys. Clearly.

* = White, cys, straight men, but that’s nothing new.

cloudiah
6 years ago

The public interest in marriage is reproduction, the continuation of the species, the offspring. There is no public interest in sex or the gratification of sexual impulses for their own sake. …

Giving Cools a platform for this drivel also seems off for the movement that supports financial abortion. Although maybe they’re fine with her as long as they don’t have to financially support such reproduction, either as individuals or through taxation.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“So why is AVFM giving a platform to one of Canada’s most influential opponents of same-sex marriage — and gay and lesbian rights in general?”

Because they’re men? It’s their nature to be irrational, contradictory, hormonal, prone to mood swings, and promiscuous. No wait… I seem to be getting my stereotypes mixed up.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

LOL, JB is so funny. Death threats are important manly activism, but questions about speakers at a conference and their affiliations are “harassment”. Keep milking that double standard, honey.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
6 years ago

JudgyBitch’s comment is very revealing.

Somehow, shared custody is “more relevant” than being an opponent of rights for men (and women) to an organization supposedly dedicated to fighting misandry.

It goes to show how AVFM and MRAs tend to operate: they seize on issues like shared custody or the draft—the long-defunct draft, about which Dean Esmay wrote that he’s going to keep bringing it up even though it’s politically dead because TEH WOMENS—as mere fetishes to concentrate their misogyny.

Puddleglum
6 years ago

Arggh, people like Cools make me so irritated. They operate out of a value system (frequently conservative christian, but that may also be just the case of where I live) that puts everything into a Good Box and a Bad Box, and truly believe that when people open up the Bad Box to take something out, everything else in there is going to run free. Like a prison break.

They have no grasp of things like informed consent, or that informed consent between adults can be used as moral gauge.

Puddleglum
6 years ago

Wow, my grammar sucks today. Sorry!

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Also people marry because they’re in love and can be together without sex.

Sorry, I’m slow what is Anne Cools talking about? Is she comparing pedophilia to homosexuality?

Random question: I call gays and lesbians ‘homosexuals’ does that bother anyone?

David
“No mention of lesbians, but of course they’re women, and Elam does not seem to like women very much.”

Human – ‘Hu’ = Man

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Cools also has the anti-gay fascination with particular sexual acts, of which:
– not all gay males practice, and
– some heterosexuals practice.

Given that number of heterosexuals > number of gay males it is likely there are more heterosexuals who undertake these activities.

If the activity itself is the issue, rather than who is undertaking it, she would have focussed on the activity.

What is it with conservatives and their desire to control what people do and don’t do sexually? Who cares, as long as there’s informed consent? It is literally none of our business.

cloudiah
6 years ago

@Tulgey Logger, Good summary. It’s like if they called themselves the Dog’s Rights Movement but insisted on only focusing on issues affecting beagles–and even then, only as a vehicle to blaming everything on cats.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I myself am completely unsurprised. I’ve mentioned multiple times that even if I didn’t find them misogynist as hell, I would never join the MRM because they seem way more interested in looking good than actually DOING good, and I’ve had enough of that bullshit in my life.

If I wanted to get thrown under the bus, I’d join the damn HRC.

Matheus
Matheus
6 years ago

I can’t believe the level of intellectual dishonesty in this cesspool of a blog.

Just because AVfM is giving space to certain people to speak about a certain issue, it does NOT mean that they AGREE with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

justabrowngirl
6 years ago

This woman is deluding herself with her logic…is like saying I’m friends with a serial killer (but never mind his victims) in is down time, you know his cooling off period, he such great human rights activits, that his killings is none issue.

To live in her mind will be scary.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

I’m embarrassed that a Liberal government appointed this woman to the Senate. She turned on them over same-sex marriage and joined the conservatives who later kicked her out of their caucus for criticizing Dear Leader Harper. Now she’s an independent.

Barbara Kay, another guest speaker, is deeply misogynistic as well as transphobic. In the linked article she deliberately misgendered a trans man who had given birth and attributed transgenderism to mental illness.

Leum
Leum
6 years ago

Random question: I call gays and lesbians ‘homosexuals’ does that bother anyone?

Yes, enormously so. The term “homosexual” has become a slur that is used by the Christian right to make LG (and bi) people sound diseased. I have more negative associations with the term “homosexual” than I do with “faggot.”

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Leum

Ok I’m sorry I won’t use that term ever again.

Leum
Leum
6 years ago

Thanks!

sn0rkmaiden
6 years ago

I wonder what Karen Straughan thinks about Cools speaking at the conference? I guess they won’t sit them too close together.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

“Homosexual” just sounds a bit clinical to me. It’s like saying “we had intercourse last night” – it’s technically correct and all, but why so formal?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Matheus

Just because AVfM is giving space to certain people to speak about a certain issue, it does NOT mean that they AGREE with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

Nobody said that. We said that it’s hypocritical. What, could they not in the whole wide world find a NON-homophobic supporter of men’s custody and divorce rights? Are they that scarce on the ground? If AVFM want homophobes soapboxing at their meeting, they don’t get to claim they’re fighting for gay rights.

This isn’t hard.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
6 years ago

@ Matheus:

I can’t believe the level of intellectual dishonesty in this cesspool of a blog.

Just because AVfM is giving space to certain people to speak about a certain issue, it does NOT mean that they AGREE with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

If they don’t agree with her views on an issue that affects many men as well, why not denounce those views? Why not, like David wrote to their PR person Bloomfield, give an official statement that AVFM does not support her opinion on gay rights?

I suspect that they keep silent because they want to gain the trust of the conservative right, but that’s just me.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
6 years ago

Whoops, ninja’d by LBT.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Yeah, you’d think a group so devoted to ‘responsibility’ would be responsible enough to say, “Hey guys, one of our speakers is a homophobe. We’re not okay with that, by the way.”

GOD WHAT A LABOR.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Well, the choice of speakers accurately reflects what the MRM has to offer gay men, ie. nothing but scorn. Most gay men don’t want to beat up women, and pretty much none of them want to rape women, so what possible use is the MRM to them?

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
6 years ago

Barbara Kay, another guest speaker, is deeply misogynistic as well as transphobic. In the linked article she deliberately misgendered a trans man who had given birth and attributed transgenderism to mental illness.

Wow, browsing her website was the least fun I’ve had in a while. She’s terrible.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

@bunnybunny, she publishes that shit in a major newspaper!

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Maybe other speakers who aren’t *phobes also aren’t interested with lending their support to AVfM – which is how their agreement to speak at the conference would be interpreted.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I can’t believe the level of intellectual dishonesty in this cesspool of a blog.

Just because AVfM is giving space to certain people to speak about a certain issue, it does NOT mean that they AGREE with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

For one thing they claim to be for the rights of men, including gay men. Her stance on gay rights goes against that. We here already knew that the MRM doesn’t give a shit about gay men but they usually pretend they aren’t homophobes and act all offended if anyone says they are.

For another thing, they claim to be a human rights group. Either you’re for human rights or you aren’t. Anyone who would be for the human rights of one group while opposing the rights of another group is being very disingenuous to claim the mantle “human rights activist.”

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

We regard men as human beings, regardless of their sexuality. And most of us feel that this is the salve that heals what has in recent history been inflicted on gay men.

What does this even mean? Saying “gay men are human beings too” heals the damage caused by homophobia? He’s apparently never heard of the “hate the sin not the sinner” homophobic shell game. And why “recent history”? This is pontifical gibberish.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

If they rejected prospective speakers and supporters for holding repellent, exclusionary views, they’d have an even smaller pool to choose from.

As a married gay man and father of sons, I don’t find anything in the MRA that supports me – despite living a life almost as androcentric as a Spartan sysstitia. Heck, I used to joke that the only time my kids saw women eating dinner was when we went to my Masonic lodge.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Robert

Yeah. Gay trans guy rape survivor here, and some of the folks who’ve been around here a bit might remember the couple times I challenged MRAs to recruit me and they flat-out admitted there was nothing they could offer me. One of them even tried to pull a, “Well, you’ll just have to butch up, buttercup, and accept that you aren’t the center of the universe.”

I was like hahahahaha and you wonder why I won’t join you.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

AVFM occupies a weird political space. Their opinions on women and feminism are deeply reactionary, but they’re couched in the language of liberalism (rights, justice, etc.). There’s a tension between the views they hold on women and the rest of their professed beliefs about race, gays, etc. They seem strangely able to ignore the similarities between their anti-feminism and the anti-feminism of, say, the KKK; they still consider themselves a civil rights group.

Has AVFM ever addressed the question “why do some of the most horrible people on the planet agree with us about feminism?” It might pop their cognitive dissonance bubble between viewing themselves as totes oppressed freedom fighters and the fact that their beliefs are basically the same as people (e.g., Heartiste, Vox Day) who openly admit that women and everyone else ought to be enslaved to white straight cis men. Might that be the source of JB’s hostility?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I think the source of JBs hostility is a personality that’s about as warm and fuzzy as a sea urchin, personally.

mariangela
mariangela
6 years ago

David, you are a hell of a lot tougher than I thought. Congratulations. Hang in there, You are going to go down in history while these evanescent MRA sites go bye-bye. Ain’t nobody going to remember Elam. But you, with your common sense and your sophistication regarding the MRA…you will be remembered.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

I think the source of JBs hostility is a personality that’s about as warm and fuzzy as a sea urchin, personally.

I agree they aren’t warm and fuzzy, but sea urchins are gorgeous and colourful and fascinating, and if I ever get an aquarium I want it to be full of sea urchins. So to be kinder to sea urchins, how about as warm and fuzzy as… razor wire? caltrops? durian fruit?

Also, is anyone else a sea urchin fan? The ones I saw in Thailand were amazing. At one dive site was covered in sea urchins and anemones. Was so fantastic.

strivingally
6 years ago

@zoon echon logon: you’ve just nailed it right there. Those who ACTUALLY believe in furthering the cause of human rights know there’s nothing to be gained by tearing down other groups – it’s why black civil rights leaders in the 60s weren’t fighting with the women’s lib movement – because we’re all trying to fight for things other people ALREADY HAVE and WON’T LOSE if some more people have them too!

I could almost comprehend the MRA standpoint of only helping men if they weren’t so blatantly paying lip service to helping men who don’t fit the stereotype of macho male masculinity. What percentage of their time do they spend denigrating and attacking women, versus the amount they spend actually doing something constructive to further the rights of gay & trans men, male rape & DV survivors, or any other group that only gets mentioned in passing when they’re trying to deflect criticism?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I would use durian as a metaphor for MRAs (stinky, can probably kill you if dropped on your head, shouldn’t be allowed on planes), but my MIL loves it and would kill me (hopefully not by the death-by-giant-fruit method).

A sea urchin once got my hand when I was snorkeling, so I’m kind of bitter.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

I give it 24 hours before one of them goes back into WHY AREN’T YOU DENOUNCING THIS FRINGE TUMBLR FEMINIST mode (even though said tumblr feminist is likely a Poe or the MRA is having one of their little “reading comprehension is misandry” episodes)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Tumblr in general tends to be too stupid to be worth the effort of denouncing, imo.

(Is a grouchy olds.)

Leum
Leum
6 years ago

@zoon echon logon: you’ve just nailed it right there. Those who ACTUALLY believe in furthering the cause of human rights know there’s nothing to be gained by tearing down other groups – it’s why black civil rights leaders in the 60s weren’t fighting with the women’s lib movement – because we’re all trying to fight for things other people ALREADY HAVE and WON’T LOSE if some more people have them too!

While the two movements weren’t fighting each other as a body, WOC in the feminist movement and in the black civil rights movement both had to struggle with each to make sure that particularly black people’s and women’s issues respectively were addressed by the broader movement.

mariangela
mariangela
6 years ago

David, you are so courageous, especially now, pointing out the Detroit MRM conference as a cover for misogyny and homophobia. I am sorry to read about the savage unwarrranted attacks on you. Then I see from your posts that you are tough and stable. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

A sea urchin once got my hand when I was snorkeling, so I’m kind of bitter.

There’s always one in every group, even sea urchins.

This is what the dive site looked like. It might even be the same place.

The anemones were blue on the outside, as you can see, but one of them had a white racing stripe. Was probably some sort of mutation, but it was definitely the coolest anemone on that bommie.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

Hot off the press: Important Message for AVFM Conference Ticket Holders
It’s not cancelled, dammit. Ticket holders have to present a gov’t-issued photo ID. (Jeez, voting is easier.)

Also, there will be ideological opponents to the MHRM, including some members of the media, present at the event. Some will be looking for anything they can to hurt us with. They will be listening, eavesdropping, and if they can, gathering things to harm us with.

For that reason, ANYONE sitting around trash-talking women, men, making violent statements, even jokingly, will be brought to the attention of security who will issue ONE warning (or less). After that, they will be directed by security to leave. There are no exceptions.

Please, for all here who are attending, keep this in mind with everything you do and say. Even at after-hours social events, if you hear anyone saying anything that can be used against us, or that makes our gathering toxic, pull them aside politely and say, “Hey, you are hurting us with this. If you want to hang with this group you have to stop it.”

Any disruptions will be met with immediate ouster and probably arrest – regardless of the source.

Comma fail in the second paragraph. Sitting around trash-talking women or merely being a man is an offense?

Does anyone know the latest on DarkHorseSwore’s efforts to attend?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

So basically the only reason why they’re trying to stop people from sitting around talking shit about women is because they’re worried that it might be used against them, and they already know that’s inevitably going to happen, hence the warning?

Oh MRAs, you are so ridiculous.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Cools also has the anti-gay fascination with particular sexual acts, of which:
– not all gay males practice, and
– some heterosexuals practice.

Given that number of heterosexuals > number of gay males it is likely there are more heterosexuals who undertake these activities.

If the activity itself is the issue, rather than who is undertaking it, she would have focussed on the activity.

What is it with conservatives and their desire to control what people do and don’t do sexually? Who cares, as long as there’s informed consent? It is literally none of our business.

QFT. That was the bit that leapt out at me: she’s fixated on anal sex, like so many (all?) these rabidly homophobic idiots.

The whole “public interest” thing was both eye-rolling stupid and creepy as all get-out. What does she want, everyone to be subjected to fertility tests, birth control and abortion banned, and sexual partners required to split up if they don’t reproduce within a certain time?

strivingally
6 years ago

@Leum: that’s kinda my point though. Being aware of the struggles others face is an integral part of any genuine social justice movement, which is why words like “intersectionality” and “solidarity” have almost become buzzwords. Anti-feminists hear women talking about the problems they face and either block their ears or say “But we have it worse!”

True fighting for equality is helping each other make it to the top of the wall – not climbing over each other to get there. 🙂

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I really don’t get the anal sex fixation. I mean, if we’re TMI-ing, it’s really not my cup of tea either, so it’s officially off the menu in my house, but why should I care whether or not other people are doing it? Why should anyone?

If someone is trying to force you to participate in a sexual activity that you’re not into then by all means push back as forcefully as necessary, but why do people care what other people do when they’re not even around?

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