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Woah, what’s this? Is A Voice for Men engaging in honest self-criticism?

This could come in handy.
This could come in handy.

I was skimming through the A Voice for Men forum the other day and was stunned to find, hidden away amongst the other posts in the “rants” section, an absolutely blistering critique of AVFM itself:

Master bullshit artists, adept at stirring up drama and scapegoating, shifting all blame and accountability onto convenient disliked targets. … Used to getting what they want, having little to no accountability … and covertly aggressively lashing out at those who dare not worship them, being the one to start it, and repeatedly. Using an arsenal of social weapons at their disposal at anyone who gets in their way: accusations of [misandry], ad hominem attacks, constant contempt … public humiliation, playing on prejudices and hatred to turn people against their targets … going on the assault at others’ self-image, reputation and credibility over the pettiest of motives, the most outrageously falsely perceived slights, with calculated Machiavellian cunning towards their pettiest of aims.

Nailed it, huh?

Ok. SPOILER ALERT. I kind of lied. This comment wasn’t aimed at AVFM. It was aimed at “bitches.”

Here’s the opening wall-of-text paragraph that I left out:

I think manipulative, catty, conniving, calculating females are pure evil. Applying indirect, covert aggression as a power play, manipulating men to get in their good graces and climb up the pecking order, before aggressively attacking those who don’t “fit in” for their own sadistic pleasure, to aggrandise their own ego and to raise their own status. Playing the victim to stir white knights to go on the attack at their target, when they are the aggressor. Having utter contempt and disdain for anyone they sleep with. Expecting males to be Teflon and always shifting the blame when anyone else gets hurt – it’s always the other person’s fault for being hurtable, for not being Teflon – they always have zero accountability for any harm caused, deny any role in it, and tell themselves it’s not them to feel good and look good. Deluding people, by putting on a cute demeanour, that “she wouldn’t do that”. Using charm to beguile, while calculatingly lashing out at anyone who dares to reveal their true colours or who even sees through their mask at what they really are. Totally void of empathy or sympathy, while putting it on purely fakely to gain an advantage.

And here’s the bit I quoted at the start, though this time I’ve put all the bits I carefully reworded or ellipsed away the first time through back in again; they’re in bold.

Master bullshit artists, adept at stirring up drama and scapegoating, shifting all blame and accountability onto convenient disliked targets. Seeing their own cuntish wiles as meritous. Used to getting what they want, having little to no accountability, being placed on a pedestal and feeling they belong there, sneering down their noses in contempt at those who respect them (the latter being pawns in their power play), and covertly aggressively lashing out at those who dare not worship them, being the one to start it, and repeatedly. Using an arsenal of social weapons at their disposal at anyone who gets in their way: accusations of misogyny, ad hominem attacks, constant contempt and a complete disregard for other people’s boundaries, malicious back-talk, public humiliation, playing on prejudices and hatred to turn people against their targets, an opportunistic use of political correctness, going on the assault at others’ self-image, reputation and credibility over the pettiest of motives, the most outrageously falsely perceived slights, with calculated Machiavellian cunning towards their pettiest of aims.

Yeah, it sounds a lot more AVFMish that way.

Even after four years of reading this bullshit, I’m a bit amazed at just how much of MRA, er, philosophy seems to be little more than projection.

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marcarc
6 years ago

I think everyone keeps doing these idiots a favour by letting them keep using the Activist. They’re not activists in anyway, maybe it’s Men’s Rights Asshats, or Men’s Rights Angry Arsebags or some combination that more rightly identifies them.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
6 years ago

Aww, you tricked me 🙁
I should have known better than to trust in humanity when MRAs and their ilk are involved.

damselindetech
6 years ago

*sigh* You got me. I still hold out hope they’ll grow an empathy and start doing good things about the issues they complain about: set up shelters for men, fundraise for better mental health outreach support, organize awareness campaigns to reduce stigma against male survivors of DV & SA. A gal can dream, right?

GrumpyOldMan
GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

Good old projection again. I am always amazed at how accurately people describe themselves in their attacks on others. The first thing the gods do to punish haters is to make them absolutely unable to take a clear look at themselves. I keep asking myself, does this guy actual know any actual women? He must think he’s God — he’s creating (describing) women in his own image.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

They’re not misogynists, though, nope. Why would you think that about people who describe women as “pure evil”? You’re all just conniving bitches.

(Who are also David.)

Deb
Deb
6 years ago

wow, they hate manipulative and vindictive women? Then why haven’t they called out and stopped associating with JudgyBitch, and GWW…they are EXTREMELY manipulative and use relatal aggression.

Taino
Taino
6 years ago

If a person said all that on the street, its best to walk away and go do whatever important thing you were about to do. Why is any attention given to this nonsense? They are like a private club and they are writing these epitaphs to each other.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

The projection really is astounding. Some of them like to whine incessantly about female solipsism but they don’t even understand the solipsist game. I mean, if you’re going to play a game, at least take the time to learn the rules! First rule of solipsism, that mirror you’re
holding up? That’s you projecting yourself onto others. Second rule of solipsism, what you criticize the most in other people is what you cannot see in yourself.

The manosphere is just so full of self loathing and misandry, it’s a bit sad to watch. Women don’t really hate those men, they hate themselves. I mean sometimes we get nauseated or irritated with their relentless vomit, but for the most part women aren’t the ones persecuting those men, they’re persecuting themselves.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

While the misters should have been spending time working with the American Optical Opaque Projector, they instead were all inside their Isolators: http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/the-isolator-640×539.jpg

Not conducive with learning, kids.

chimisaur
chimisaur
6 years ago

@Marcarc – I prefer Malicious Rape Apologists – I think I heard it in the comments here a while back – anyway, it really seems to cut to the quick of what they’re all about. 🙂

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

I’m slipping. I really let myself go. I had my evilocity tested and I’m only 97% evil. Don’t worry though. I’m going to work at it until I’m pure evil again.

Later I’m going to tell the kids I made dessert and when they get all excited, I’m going to give them steamed broccoli.
Then I’m going to put Skittles in with their M&Ms and stop using fabric softeners on their sheets.

At this rate I should be back to pure evil by the weekend.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Me, I’ve been working on my cuntish wiles but I feel like I have a long way to go.

Dudes, misters, asshats: If everyone who surrounds you is a complete asshole, you may want to spend some time examining the common denominator in all of those relationships. Just saying.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Having utter contempt and disdain for anyone they sleep with. Expecting males to be Teflon and always shifting the blame when anyone else gets hurt – it’s always the other person’s fault for being hurtable, for not being Teflon – they always have zero accountability for any harm caused, deny any role in it, and tell themselves it’s not them to feel good and look good.

Just change ‘males’ to ‘females’ and this paragraph perfectly describes the attitudes of misogynists.

They’re the ones who call women sluts and cum dumpsters. They’re the ones say we’re too sensitive when we’re upset by being harassed.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I’ve never met a woman who has contempt for everyone she sleeps with. I’ve met a few men who do who’d fit right in at AVFM, though.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Lea

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/367/evilest.gif

Mra acronyms:

Misognists raging a-holes

Misognists racist a-holes

Mommy ran away

Shaun Day
Shaun Day
6 years ago

I increased my misandry by one this month. It is now 18 out of 64. I feel like such a failure.

OR…

The test itself is *so* misandrist that *no*one can get a score high enough to register as misandry because evil feminist misandry denialism! Mua ha ha!

strivingally
6 years ago

Totally void of empathy or sympathy, while putting it on purely fakely to gain an advantage.

And what would you call a group like avfm who doesn’t give a shit about helping men who are victims of sexual assault or domestic violence, but is happy to use them to concern troll and derail any discussion regarding how those issues affect women?

Shaun Day
Shaun Day
6 years ago

I also humbly submit Must Rage-boner Always.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

It’s such a classic abuser behavioral pattern, to be all “you always (thing they just did to you)”. What’s funny is that they actually seem to think it’s fooling people.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Shaun day

Or simply Must Rage Always

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I still think Male Rape Advocates is the most accurate translation.

Ashley
6 years ago

I don’t understand how anyone can think they are legitimate activists for men’s rights. I know of real men’s rights activists and they are pretty embarrassed when people associate them with groups like AVFM. I’m just thankful that most people I see sharing their links on facebook can see them for what they really are.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

When I first heard of MRAs I knew they were misogynists but didn’t know what the acronym stood for so I guessed male rape advocate. I eventually Googled it though.

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

You know what is frightening? I read the entire Elliot Rodgers manifesto and this blog post was worse! It is more hateful than the words of a serial killer. I don’t know whether it is good or bad that they feel free to share their rabid bitterness…it’s bad because they clearly don’t fear any consequences but it’s good that it’s not hidden and people know it exists.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

They can keep their blooming pedestals. I’d much rather take a comfy chair, or tree, or a good patch of grass.

If they think pedestals are so awesome, why don’t they sit on them, instead of standing on their soapboxes?

(Answer: because pedestals stink)

katz
6 years ago

I’d much rather take a comfy chair, or tree, or a good patch of grass.

Further proof that we are secretly cats.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

Massively Repugnant Assholes

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Mrow?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Malignant Rapist Abusers?

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

Good one, David, but the headline to just to unrealistic to trick anyone.

The free speech warriors of AVFM have about as much tolerance of self-criticism and dissent as Stalin had for people who made fun of his mustache.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

“is just too”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Massively Rapey Assholes

Isabelle
Isabelle
6 years ago

I visualize them foaming at the mouth, so: Misogynistic Rabid Asshat

cloudiah
6 years ago

Further proof that we are secretly cats.

In which case I’d like to add boxes and fresh piles of laundry to the pedestal alternatives.

GrumpyOldMan
GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

It’s just the larger and better educated boy-child’s version of “Girls have cooties.”

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

You had me for a second, David. Then again, I am drunk…

I am having my oil changed later this month… maybe I should ask for a 12 point inspection of my Cuntish Wiles while I’m there. They seem a bit out of alignment, and it won’t be much trouble since I”ll already be there.

My inspection is due in September, so it would be good to know if there are any issues now before I reapply for my Feminist Gynocracy Licence and Insurance.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

I remember going to see Cuntish Wiles back in the 90s, there was a mosh pit and everything. I saved my ticket stubs, I think.

Did the mister who wrote the wall-of-text in the OP just accused of creeping? It sounds like it.

BritterSweet
6 years ago

I fell for the title too, but that’s because there really have been some instances where someone in the community has stood up and said, “Hey guys, this is not cool.” Even if the person wasn’t fond of women, he would acknowledge that something was going too far or at the very least was bad for the MRM’s reputation. Sadly, he would always get overwhelmingly downvoted and/or shouted down.

kittehserf
6 years ago

If they think pedestals are so awesome, why don’t they sit on them, instead of standing on their soapboxes?

(Answer: because pedestals stink)

No, it’s because HARD PEDESTALS are misandry!

I thought MRA meant Male Rape Apologist too. Well, it does, of course, that’s just not what the apologists (or advocates, rather) want people to think.

katz
6 years ago

I remember going to see Cuntish Wiles back in the 90s, there was a mosh pit and everything. I saved my ticket stubs, I think.

Didn’t they open for Bikini Kill that one time?

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

banshee
banshee
6 years ago

I don’t get it. If women have to get in the good graces of men to climb the social ladder, then it’s men who have the power, isn’t it? Right?
Ugh.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

My own cuntish wiles need work. It’s been simply forever since I spermjacked anyone.

katz
6 years ago

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

Ask and ye shall receive.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Contrapangloss

“Mrow?”

Men Are Oppressed by Women

Banshee

“I don’t get it. If women have to get in the good graces of men to climb the social ladder, then it’s men who have the power, isn’t it? Right?
Ugh.”

No! You see women are using their butts to hypnotize men!
Butt Power!

http://www.roflcat.com/fear-the-cat-butt

Look at all these pedestals to choose from!

http://www.wayfair.com/beautiful-pedestal-plant-stand-th.html

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ fruitloopsie

Ooooh… I like the Greek Column themed pedestals the best.

Appropriate for a Greek Goddess, like Artemis, who will turn misogynist peeping toms to deer and order her hunting hounds to tear them apart. MISANDRY.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@taino

If a person said all that on the street, its best to walk away and go do whatever important thing you were about to do. Why is any attention given to this nonsense? They are like a private club and they are writing these epitaphs to each other.

I think you are missing the point of the blog…

@lea

Later I’m going to tell the kids I made dessert and when they get all excited, I’m going to give them steamed broccoli.
Then I’m going to put Skittles in with their M&Ms and stop using fabric softeners on their sheets.

Putting skittles in with their mnms? that truley would be evil!

@fruitloopsie

Mra acronyms:

Misognists raging a-holes

Misognists racist a-holes

Mommy ran away

I’m really not down here for the making fun of people for having mommy/daddy issues :/ It doesn’t excuse someoen from being a misgoynist, I just figure there are plenty of other things to mention than ‘your parents sucked’.

@katz

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

Ask and ye shall receive.

omi god, that’s glorious XD Is it a real book, or did you photoshop it?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Fromafar2013

Don’t forget Athena and Enyo the Goddesses of war!

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Marie

Sorry, I was listing acronyms that I saw other people typed. I didn’t realize I didn’t type that.

katz
6 years ago

Alas, it is indeed photoshopped. But the only thing I changed was the title.

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