I have a new theory that I think might help to explain why so many Men’s Rights Activists are so obsessed with false accusations of rape. It’s simple: They are so used to making false accusations themselves, about pretty much everything, that it’s hard for them to conceive of someone making an accusation that is actually true.
Naturally, as a critic of the Men’s Rights movement I’m a fairly reliable target for these false charges, and rarely does a day go by in which I don’t learn some new, terrible, and wholly imaginary thing I’m alleged to have said or done. Hell, these days I can barely make it through a Twitter conversation with A Voice for Men’s Dean Esmay without him spouting some grotesque falsehood about me.
The latest accusation from the A Voice for Men crowd – or at least from AVFM’s so-called Honey Badger Brigade – is that all the media talk about Elliot Rodger being an MRA was my fault. Or, as “Honey Badger” Alison Tieman put it in a tweet that she sent to an assortment of media outlets that had written about Rodger and the MRAs,
"Journalism" connecting Elliot Roger to Men's issues relies on penny-hack with ties to genocidal ideogogs @dailykos http://t.co/DLCTXDiJv1
— Alison Tieman (@Typhonblue) June 16, 2014
Tieman’s tweet links to a post on the Honey Badger Brigade blog titled “Feminist media bias, or how Man Boobz caused a media circus,” complete with a little caricature of me. (At least they didn’t depict me as a shirtless, self-flagellating Michael Moore lookalike, this time, or as a giant man-baby with poopy diapers eating a chicken leg.)
The big revelation of the Honey Badger Brigade post? That the first article that connected Eliot Rodger to the Men’s Rights movement included … a link to my blog:
I compiled a list of online articles in a rudimentary timeline, searching for the earliest pieces linking Elliot Rodger to MRAs, and the findings were pretty extraordinary. Likely the first article making this connection was on the Daily Kos, citing a blog. Which blog, you ask? None other than David (Man Boobz) Futrelle’s cutting-edge journalism at wehuntedthemammoth.com.
It gets worse. Of the 16 articles I looked at, eight of them sourced the Daily Kos article either directly or indirectly by citing an article that had cited that same Daily Kos article.
The clear implication of the post is that I was the “source” of the notion that Rodger was an MRA.
There’s just one little problem with that argument, which is that I never said any such thing.
Indeed, when the writer at the Daily Kos published their piece, I had said precisely nothing on the subject of Rodger at all. In fact, my first post on Rodger was published after the Daily Kos piece appeared. That Daily Kos piece, which was based on original reporting by its author, linked only to my writings about incels, and the link to We Hunted the Mammoth was only one in a multitude of links.
Here’s what I said about Rodger in my first post on the subject:
[Rodger’s video] sounds almost like a parody of the misogynistic beliefs and rhetoric that I write about on this blog. His language and his melodramatic tone both echo the writings of many of those young men who consider themselves “incels.” His anger is the same anger we see from the rejected men who lash out with insults and threats on OkCupid when their often crude advances are turned down. He reminds me of every so-called “nice guy” who is inwardly seething with resentment born of sexual entitlement denied. He even, at one point, calls himself a “gentleman.” He also calls himself an “alpha.”
It is clear that his resentment at women was stoked by what I call the “new misogyny” and by steeping himself in at least one online community that reaffirmed his exaggerated, unwarranted sense of victimhood. So far we have evidence that he was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” and angry trolls.
I made no mention of the Men’s Rights movement at all.
In a later post, written after a great deal more information about Rodger had appeared online, I was more explicit in stating that he was not, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, an MRA.
So why did so many in the media describe him as an MRA? Well, it’s not hard to guess: because he was driven by an exaggerated version of the familiar mixture of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement that drives so many MRAs.
As I wrote in my most widely read post on the subject:
While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
I put it a bit more bluntly in a Reddit comment I wrote after first seeing the Honey Badger Brigade post:
If they’d actually paid attention to anything I’ve written on Rodger they would see that I didn’t call him an MRA; I went out of my way to point out that as far as we know he didn’t read MRA sites.
That said, as he was a regular at PUAhate, he was part of what you might call the MRA extended universe, and much of his ideology came out of the same misogynistic swamp that MRAs inhabit.
I didn’t cause any of this. MRAs caused this by being shitheads, and by thinking “any publicity is good publicity.” This is what MRAs get for supporting and defending AVFM for years, for their Occidental College spamming, for their crusades against an assortment of feminist villains they harassed and slandered. Oh, and for spewing misogyny all day every day.
My blog DOCUMENTS this. They’re the ones saying the shit that I quote. They made their own bed.
Other journalists have used me and my blog as a resource. They incorrectly labeled Rodger an MRA. But they weren’t far off. He was MRA-adjacent.
Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars ate up the Honey Badger Brigade post, which seemed to confirm my reputation as some sort of dastardly misandrist boogeyman. None of them seemed to have read a word of anything I’d actually written about Rodger. One Redditor described me thusly:
The Futrella is a desperate character with receding hair and receding appreciation from his Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents. …
I do wonder if his followers are real or if he spends all his time between pizza and diet soda masquerading under multiple legends?
A few were calling for my head.
That’s a bit of an understatement, huh?
Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a receding hairline. Even that is a false accusation.
As is Tieman’s remark about the “genocidal ideogogs” [sic]. But that’s a whole other kettle of worms.
EDIT: Oops. I originally neglected to take the difference in time zones into consideration when writing about when the Daily Kos piece appeared. While it did appear before my post, it wasn’t four hours before. I’ve corrected this in the piece.
@grumpycatisagirl: I’m sorry you were neglected in a previous shout-out to members of the grumposphere.
I toddled over to AVfM for a few minutes to sample their wares and was dismayed to find that over there I have an alter ego who is a moderator. Oh, the shame of it. Except that there it’s “Grumpy Old Man” — much more spacey, which is very appropriate.
I’ve been reading The New Jim Crow if it’s not totally obvious. I highly recommend it to people who actually care about men, because that drug war shit is all kinds of fucked up. I’m trying to find out if there are any actual activist groups in my neck of the woods working on this stuff because holy fuckballs. This has to stop.
Well, if they keep trying to involve politicians in their internet shit-stirring crap, he’ll have to start calling the FBI irrelevant next. Which might be awkward if they start calling him.
(Seriously, kids, don’t tweet vaguely threatening things at politicians unless you have a burning desire to have a nice little chat with the feds. Just how dumb are these people?)
I found video footage of David/us!
Hehehehehehe!
All of these videos are making me want a ferret, even if they are a bit bitey.
Oh my gosh! Ferret with pizza! <3
1. Elliot Rodger had a vocabulary. He wasn’t born knowing it. He learned it from someone.
2. Elliot Rodger had an ideology. It was simplistic but it had been worked out in detail. He wasn’t born subscribing to it; he picked it up somewhere.
3. I have yet to meet the sock puppet who sounds as much like David Futrelle as Elliot Rodger sounded like Paul Elam or Heartiste.
4. “Draw your own conclusions, folks” is one of my favorite spot tests.* My God, my God, has that ever not changed.
* It’s not infalliable, but usually it’s a decent place to start.
Regarding Bancroft, I realize that there was no direct correlation implied, but once again we have those two things in the same paragraph very close and very evocative of the public misconceptions, and as someone who knows first hand through great trauma regarding those shootings, it’s traumatizing to see “Columbine” and “bullying” used that way, including the way that paragraph is constructed. The media misrepresentations just traumatize us over and over again, because there’s this mythical “Columbine” that belongs to the public and robs us of our own pain and experiences. There can be an inferred correlation there if you’re someone who followed that incident in any sort of news media–which I imagine is the majority in the U.S., and “bullying” got a lot of play elsewhere as well–and people will continue to see it unless they’ve sought out the media corrections that came long after and far quieter.
Just seeing Bancroft’s paragraph construction is a trigger for me, so pass on the word that bullying and Columbine shouldn’t be implied and inferred, it means a lot of our community!
But wasn’t Bancroft saying it was a mistake that the media made, correlating the two?
Sorry, I should have said my comment was aimed at DasPink…maybe I’m misunderstanding what was said but it seems your comment and the previous one about Bancroft were saying Bancroft was making the connection, when I read the quote from the first poster as Bancroft observing the error the media had made in making the connection (sorry, these are buried and I don’t have time at present to look up the usernames).
This is a pine marten, another mustelid like the ferret: http://stephangraveline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dsc3965algonquinpark_wp.jpg
They look like cuties and they are but they don’t belong in a little fucking cage in our living rooms. They’re wild as fuck. They’re destructive. They will escape. They find their way into everything and steal stuff. They walk up to you and start biting unprovoked.
Perhaps most importantly, THEY ARE FEARSOME PREDATORS: http://glacierparkmagazine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/marten-with-squirrel.jpg
They spend their days hunting and killing and dining on fucking squirrels. They’re not sweetie snugglebums. When they’re kept captive they direct those instincts into being little assholes.
A friend lives alongside one who was bred and sold as a pet. They were seized and an attempt to rehab and release was made but it didn’t take. The monster was imprinted and habituated. Basically, the marten has an outdoor enclosure, house access at all times and just fucks everything up. It’s cute and hilarious. Worst pet ever though.
DasPink, nevermind…I think I was looking at someone else’s quote and thought it was Bancroft. He does indeed make a casual connection.
Relevant to David recently being the recipient of more attention from the male supremacists:
GandhiCon
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
BTW, before any mansphericals jump in and try to transpose the argument, in their case it’s a Reverse GandhiCon , somehwhere between step 1 and 2 – first we fight them, then we laugh at them, then we ignore them, then they lose. 🙂
Dammit people. I’m broke. This is not the time to be instilling a desire for pizza. (Thankfully I get paid on Friday. Unfortunately I’ll be broke again as soon as I pay my credit card bill…)
Cheaper if you make it yourself? Plus making pizza in a group is kind of fun.
Pizza crust is actually pretty easy to make. If you make a big batch, you can freeze most of it to make quick pizzas later.
Can we turn this into a pizza/pizza crust recipe thread?
I would especially appreciate recipes for good pesto pizza, or flatbread pizza.
I know those feels!
“You have money!”
“PAYYOURMORTGAGE”
i have no moneys… 🙁
That sharp inhalation of air, excitement, followed by a big, long sigh. Pay day, you tease.
Please do turn this into the pizza recipe thread! I know nothing of pizza making.
Teach me thy ways, oh pizza masters of misandry
.. Was that a little overboard?
I am a master at teh vegun pizzas, though I am no longer vegan. I can still teach you my ways tho…
The trick… oil. Olive oil. Even vegan cheese can be revived with enough olive oil and spices!
Ooh, food! I made this gluten-free pizza crust this weekend. My SIL has Celiac disease and I cook a lot, so sometimes I test things that we might be able to eat together later. It was great, and good the next day, too.
Next I want to make a pizza with roasted cherry tomatoes and garlic in place of the sauce.
Oh, and for a regular wheat crust, this cast iron pizza pan makes amazing crust.
fromafar, that’s good to know about the olive oil. I think that’s one reason the gluten-free crust came out well – I used tons of olive oil on top.
XD