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Elliot Rodger and Me: The anatomy of a "Honey Badger" smear campaign

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I have a new theory that I think might help to explain why so many Men’s Rights Activists are so obsessed with false accusations of rape. It’s simple: They are so used to making false accusations themselves, about pretty much everything, that it’s hard for them to conceive of someone making an accusation that is actually true.

Naturally, as a critic of the Men’s Rights movement I’m a fairly reliable target for these false charges, and rarely does a day go by in which I don’t learn some new, terrible, and wholly imaginary thing I’m alleged to have said or done. Hell, these days I can barely make it through a Twitter conversation with A Voice for Men’s Dean Esmay without him spouting some grotesque falsehood about me.

The latest accusation from the A Voice for Men crowd – or at least from AVFM’s so-called Honey Badger Brigade – is that all the media talk about Elliot Rodger being an MRA was my fault. Or, as “Honey Badger” Alison Tieman put it in a tweet that she sent to an assortment of media outlets that had written about Rodger and the MRAs,

Tieman’s tweet links to a post on the Honey Badger Brigade blog titled “Feminist media bias, or how Man Boobz caused a media circus,” complete with a little caricature of me. (At least they didn’t depict me as a shirtless, self-flagellating Michael Moore lookalike, this time, or as a giant man-baby with poopy diapers eating a chicken leg.)

The big revelation of the Honey Badger Brigade post? That the first article that connected Eliot Rodger to the Men’s Rights movement included … a link to my blog:

I compiled a list of online articles in a rudimentary timeline, searching for the earliest pieces linking Elliot Rodger to MRAs, and the findings were pretty extraordinary. Likely the first article making this connection was on the Daily Kos, citing a blog. Which blog, you ask? None other than David (Man Boobz) Futrelle’s cutting-edge journalism at wehuntedthemammoth.com.

It gets worse. Of the 16 articles I looked at, eight of them sourced the Daily Kos article either directly or indirectly by citing an article that had cited that same Daily Kos article.

The clear implication of the post is that I was the “source” of the notion that Rodger was an MRA.

There’s just one little problem with that argument, which is that I never said any such thing.

Indeed, when the writer at the Daily Kos published their piece, I had said precisely nothing on the subject of Rodger at all. In fact, my first post on Rodger was published after the Daily Kos piece appeared. That  Daily Kos piece, which was based on original reporting by its author, linked only to my writings about incels, and the link to We Hunted the Mammoth was only one in a multitude of links.

Here’s what I said about Rodger in my first post on the subject:

[Rodger’s video] sounds almost like a parody of the misogynistic beliefs and rhetoric that I write about on this blog. His language and his melodramatic tone both echo the writings of many of those young men who consider themselves “incels.” His anger is the same anger we see from the rejected men who lash out with insults and threats on OkCupid when their often crude advances are turned down. He reminds me of every so-called “nice guy” who is inwardly seething with resentment born of sexual entitlement denied. He even, at one point, calls himself a “gentleman.” He also calls himself an “alpha.”

It is clear that his  resentment at women was stoked by what I call the “new misogyny” and by steeping himself in at least one online community that reaffirmed his exaggerated, unwarranted sense of victimhood. So far we have evidence that he was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” and angry trolls.

I made no mention of the Men’s Rights movement at all.

In a later post, written after a great deal more information about Rodger had appeared online, I was more explicit in stating that he was not, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, an MRA.

So why did so many in the media describe him as an MRA? Well, it’s not hard to guess: because he was driven by an exaggerated version of the familiar mixture of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement that drives so many MRAs.

As I wrote in my most widely read post on the subject:

While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

I put it a bit more bluntly in a Reddit comment I wrote after first seeing the Honey Badger Brigade post:

If they’d actually paid attention to anything I’ve written on Rodger they would see that I didn’t call him an MRA; I went out of my way to point out that as far as we know he didn’t read MRA sites.

That said, as he was a regular at PUAhate, he was part of what you might call the MRA extended universe, and much of his ideology came out of the same misogynistic swamp that MRAs inhabit.

I didn’t cause any of this. MRAs caused this by being shitheads, and by thinking “any publicity is good publicity.” This is what MRAs get for supporting and defending AVFM for years, for their Occidental College spamming, for their crusades against an assortment of feminist villains they harassed and slandered. Oh, and for spewing misogyny all day every day.

My blog DOCUMENTS this. They’re the ones saying the shit that I quote. They made their own bed.

Other journalists have used me and my blog as a resource. They incorrectly labeled Rodger an MRA. But they weren’t far off. He was MRA-adjacent.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars ate up the Honey Badger Brigade post, which seemed to confirm my reputation as some sort of dastardly misandrist boogeyman. None of them seemed to have read a word of anything I’d actually written about Rodger. One Redditor described me thusly:

The Futrella is a desperate character with receding hair and receding appreciation from his Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents. …

I do wonder if his followers are real or if he spends all his time between pizza and diet soda masquerading under multiple legends?

A few were calling for my head.

iethatis 6 points 3 days ago (14|8)  AVfM should sue him for damages resulting from the death threats and resulting security costs, and venue change costs resulting from his lies.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]guywithaccount 3 points 3 days ago (4|1)  It'd be a tough case to prove.

That’s a bit of an understatement, huh?

Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a receding hairline. Even that is a false accusation.

As is Tieman’s remark about the “genocidal ideogogs” [sic]. But that’s a whole other kettle of worms.

EDIT: Oops. I originally neglected to take the difference in time zones into consideration when writing about when the Daily Kos piece appeared. While it did appear before my post, it wasn’t four hours before. I’ve corrected this in the piece.

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Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

@grumpycatisagirl

I admit it was full of adjective overkill but thanks. 🙂

And now JB is notifying Hillary Clinton of this genocidal conspiracy?? Holy fuck. You can’t make this stuff up.

me and not you
me and not you
10 years ago

” (And check out the fiestaware they’re washing at 8:15.)”

I may have gotten inordinately excited about that. ^-^

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

The totes amusing thing about all of this is that if AVfM didn’t already have a watch against it by the FBI and/or NSA, doing tweets like that with politicians or ex-politicians included means they soon will be.

They really are *that* idiotic.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

@Stephen Jones

Don’t get me wrong, this “why is everybody against me?” article is great and all, but have you taken steps to defend your journalistic integrity?

Reading for comprehension – you might wish to acquire that skill before commenting. Then you wouldn’t say stupid things like this. Way to embarrass yourself with the passive-aggressive combined with the stupidity. Run back to AVfM, there’s a dear. The grown-ups are talking.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

I think. I mean, David thinks. Drat. David means, David thinks.

Monkey see, monkey do. Hulk smash.

Damn, this is hard.

Yes, yes it is. I, David, have spreadsheets and a database solely devoted to running this comment section. You see, I have to come up with adequate user-names, set a correct ratio of avatars to colorblobs, keep track of each ‘regular’ and ‘semiregular’s standard vocabulary, punctuation, and history, which I have to cross reference with all posts I write.

I have an entire room of filing cabinets for this task! Well, half of them are filled with ferret food and toys for the ferrets in my David suit.

It’s amazing I can post so much, so quickly!

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

I also run umpteen different blogs, under my fake follower’s names. It gives them more legitimacy, see?

It gets tedious, sometimes.

taitaisanchez
10 years ago

@nequam thanks, now my brain is broken for the rest of the day.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Stephen, have you taken steps to defend your claim that you understand any of the grownup subjects being discussed here?

katz
10 years ago

In fact I operated dozens of Livejournals and Deviantart accounts for years before I ever started this blog, just in case I needed sock puppets with plausible backgrounds sometime in the future.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

What’s with the “receding hairline” as an insult anyway? Do MRAs not have a man or woman among them who is going or is bald? Do they not know that when they make fun of other people with receding hairlines (that David doesn’t even have) they are mocking their fellow Men’s Rape Advocates too? Do they care? People lose their hair sometimes. It does not render them unable to write or to be correct. That’s an awfully juvenile and petty thing to decide to use to paint David as a “desperate character”.
…and the pizza thing? Do MRAs never eat pizza? That’s sad. Pizza is delicious. I made a goat cheese, fresh pesto, pepper, red onion and tomato pizza recently and it was amazeaballs!
Then there is the feminizing of “Futrelle” as an insult. They really think misgendering people is the height of hilarity and that there is no worse insult than calling someone feminine.
I wonder how the FemRAs feel about their gender being used as an insult? I wonder if their internalized misogyny goes so deep that they think so little of themselves as to take no exception to such a slight? Honey badgers, huh? Yeah, that’s real tough stuff, letting “allies” treat your gender as an insult. Not one of them would dare speak up to complain though. They can ask Woolly Bumblebee and Sunshine Mary how that works out.

Meanwhile they’re wild, false accusations only show them to be exactly as dishonest and vile as most people who are aware of them already know they are. What a stupid fucking thing to do with the little bit of media attention they’ve managed to get.

They never fail to make asses of themselves with gusto, do they?

katz
10 years ago

I made a goat cheese, fresh pesto, pepper, red onion and tomato pizza recently and it was amazeaballs!

Yum!

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Also, D. Happy, take your head out of your ass, OK?

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

I’m trying to wrap my head around this:

David is covering for or enabling violent or violence-advocating feminists because they exist and he doesn’t spend most of his time denouncing/harassing them.

AVfM is NOT covering for or enabling violent or violence-advocating MRAs DESPITE having Thomas Ball’s opus on their front page as recently as last year and regularly featuring violent rhetoric and opinions portraying violence against women in a positive light.

Fuck this. I’m going back to my George Michael records.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Do they realize genocide a real fucking thing right? And that gendered infanticide of females is going on right now, with actual documented proof?

I’m sure that’s something else they think feminists are making up in order to rake in all that sweet, sweet, victimization power they are so sure we’re rolling in.

These are people who never let something a silly as a fact stop them from making outrageously dishonest claims.

To be fair, the facts aren’t on their side, so lies are pretty much all they’re left with.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Katz,
It was yum!

It caused death breath, but it was yum.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Isn’t Mr. the Otter bald as fuck?

Lea
Lea
10 years ago
marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Yeah, dat one.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
10 years ago

I can’t imagine how long David spent getting his ferrets into a Patrick Stewart outfit just to eat pizza for that picture.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

You’d be surprised what ferrets will do for pizza, Emmy Rae.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

Part of it is the resentment they feel that you are getting the hits on articles about their asshattery instead of them. It has been my observation that in feminist circles on Facebook people link to this blog when discussing MRA behavior. You have become the debunker in chief and they hates you for it forever.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Why they gotta be so racist? “As long as you’re teaching men not to rape, why not teach blacks not to eat fried chicken and Jews not to cheat.” Really, Mr. the Otter? You don’t see a big difference between racist stereotypes and a disproportionate, non-negligible number of men raping predominantly women? You can’t see any difference between that and the belief black people eat more fried chicken than people of other ethnicities?