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Elliot Rodger and Me: The anatomy of a "Honey Badger" smear campaign

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I have a new theory that I think might help to explain why so many Men’s Rights Activists are so obsessed with false accusations of rape. It’s simple: They are so used to making false accusations themselves, about pretty much everything, that it’s hard for them to conceive of someone making an accusation that is actually true.

Naturally, as a critic of the Men’s Rights movement I’m a fairly reliable target for these false charges, and rarely does a day go by in which I don’t learn some new, terrible, and wholly imaginary thing I’m alleged to have said or done. Hell, these days I can barely make it through a Twitter conversation with A Voice for Men’s Dean Esmay without him spouting some grotesque falsehood about me.

The latest accusation from the A Voice for Men crowd – or at least from AVFM’s so-called Honey Badger Brigade – is that all the media talk about Elliot Rodger being an MRA was my fault. Or, as “Honey Badger” Alison Tieman put it in a tweet that she sent to an assortment of media outlets that had written about Rodger and the MRAs,

Tieman’s tweet links to a post on the Honey Badger Brigade blog titled “Feminist media bias, or how Man Boobz caused a media circus,” complete with a little caricature of me. (At least they didn’t depict me as a shirtless, self-flagellating Michael Moore lookalike, this time, or as a giant man-baby with poopy diapers eating a chicken leg.)

The big revelation of the Honey Badger Brigade post? That the first article that connected Eliot Rodger to the Men’s Rights movement included … a link to my blog:

I compiled a list of online articles in a rudimentary timeline, searching for the earliest pieces linking Elliot Rodger to MRAs, and the findings were pretty extraordinary. Likely the first article making this connection was on the Daily Kos, citing a blog. Which blog, you ask? None other than David (Man Boobz) Futrelle’s cutting-edge journalism at wehuntedthemammoth.com.

It gets worse. Of the 16 articles I looked at, eight of them sourced the Daily Kos article either directly or indirectly by citing an article that had cited that same Daily Kos article.

The clear implication of the post is that I was the “source” of the notion that Rodger was an MRA.

There’s just one little problem with that argument, which is that I never said any such thing.

Indeed, when the writer at the Daily Kos published their piece, I had said precisely nothing on the subject of Rodger at all. In fact, my first post on Rodger was published after the Daily Kos piece appeared. That  Daily Kos piece, which was based on original reporting by its author, linked only to my writings about incels, and the link to We Hunted the Mammoth was only one in a multitude of links.

Here’s what I said about Rodger in my first post on the subject:

[Rodger’s video] sounds almost like a parody of the misogynistic beliefs and rhetoric that I write about on this blog. His language and his melodramatic tone both echo the writings of many of those young men who consider themselves “incels.” His anger is the same anger we see from the rejected men who lash out with insults and threats on OkCupid when their often crude advances are turned down. He reminds me of every so-called “nice guy” who is inwardly seething with resentment born of sexual entitlement denied. He even, at one point, calls himself a “gentleman.” He also calls himself an “alpha.”

It is clear that his  resentment at women was stoked by what I call the “new misogyny” and by steeping himself in at least one online community that reaffirmed his exaggerated, unwarranted sense of victimhood. So far we have evidence that he was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” and angry trolls.

I made no mention of the Men’s Rights movement at all.

In a later post, written after a great deal more information about Rodger had appeared online, I was more explicit in stating that he was not, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, an MRA.

So why did so many in the media describe him as an MRA? Well, it’s not hard to guess: because he was driven by an exaggerated version of the familiar mixture of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement that drives so many MRAs.

As I wrote in my most widely read post on the subject:

While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

I put it a bit more bluntly in a Reddit comment I wrote after first seeing the Honey Badger Brigade post:

If they’d actually paid attention to anything I’ve written on Rodger they would see that I didn’t call him an MRA; I went out of my way to point out that as far as we know he didn’t read MRA sites.

That said, as he was a regular at PUAhate, he was part of what you might call the MRA extended universe, and much of his ideology came out of the same misogynistic swamp that MRAs inhabit.

I didn’t cause any of this. MRAs caused this by being shitheads, and by thinking “any publicity is good publicity.” This is what MRAs get for supporting and defending AVFM for years, for their Occidental College spamming, for their crusades against an assortment of feminist villains they harassed and slandered. Oh, and for spewing misogyny all day every day.

My blog DOCUMENTS this. They’re the ones saying the shit that I quote. They made their own bed.

Other journalists have used me and my blog as a resource. They incorrectly labeled Rodger an MRA. But they weren’t far off. He was MRA-adjacent.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars ate up the Honey Badger Brigade post, which seemed to confirm my reputation as some sort of dastardly misandrist boogeyman. None of them seemed to have read a word of anything I’d actually written about Rodger. One Redditor described me thusly:

The Futrella is a desperate character with receding hair and receding appreciation from his Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents. …

I do wonder if his followers are real or if he spends all his time between pizza and diet soda masquerading under multiple legends?

A few were calling for my head.

iethatis 6 points 3 days ago (14|8)  AVfM should sue him for damages resulting from the death threats and resulting security costs, and venue change costs resulting from his lies.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]guywithaccount 3 points 3 days ago (4|1)  It'd be a tough case to prove.

That’s a bit of an understatement, huh?

Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a receding hairline. Even that is a false accusation.

As is Tieman’s remark about the “genocidal ideogogs” [sic]. But that’s a whole other kettle of worms.

EDIT: Oops. I originally neglected to take the difference in time zones into consideration when writing about when the Daily Kos piece appeared. While it did appear before my post, it wasn’t four hours before. I’ve corrected this in the piece.

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Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

I assumed Elam was talking about the local security team assigned to the Detroit conference. Still, WTF? Is that code for Dean Esmay?

@pallygirl,

I wish some reporters would actually properly investigate this and call him on these claims.

I had high hopes the Motor City Mudraker reporter would do this. His latest column was quite disappointing.

Speaking of coverage, Elam boasted in the video that ABC News and TIME are coming to cover the press conference. I’m not sure if that is a good or bad thing.

@zoon echon logon

Brilliant and hilarious!

@sarah

Yes, FOIA. My memory sucks. What is the request for?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

Hi and welcome, bulletprooflegs! 🙂

sarah
10 years ago

@Auntie
The police reports for the supposed threats.

Anastasia Maria DiMarca

See now I’m having twitter hashtag ideas. Like #Iamdavidfrutrelle tagged to any post where you’ve been accused of something stupid by MRA’s. ‘Course such a hashtag would be trolled to Hell @_@; so never mind.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

@sarah

Oh! I didn’t know those could be accessed. Thanks. That will be interesting…someday. I’d been hoping Steve Neavling would shine a light on that.

sarah
10 years ago

Well, that’s just the two case numbers Dean provided. They haven’t provided any evidence that the more recent accusations of threats are real, or that they were reported to St Clair Shores or Houston PD.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

I’m most interested in the alleged threats against the DoubleTree. There’s been such a shroud of secrecy.

sarah
10 years ago

Yeah, me too.
I called the hotel manager they have been libeling, but have received no response.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

Do you mean the manager at the VFW? Elam said on the video that the “commander” there was very supportive of the conference.

sarah
10 years ago

They have libeled both the hotel staff and the VFW staff.

me and not you
me and not you
10 years ago

So, off topic from the post, but this is kinda relevant to WHTM generally. It’s not hilarious, but it is amusing:

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
10 years ago

@marinerachel

Kind of telling though that the mooooovement has chosen to refer to the women belonging to it by a different, ridiculous label than they attach to male majority. If that doesn’t tell you you’re a mascot and sideshow I don’t know what does.

I think this is exactly why it rubs me the wrong way. I’m well aware a honey badger is a real animal – it’s the cutesyness of the name, and the fact they need to single out feMRAs as being different in this way, that rubs me wrong.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents.” Is tht what a group of feminists is called? A school of fish, a murder of crows, a cohort of screaming delinquents of feminists.

I don’t know, actually. I haven’t been on Reddit in quite a while, so I don’t know if it got mentioned on AMR after she initially suggested some sort of feminist utilities conspiracy. She had Fidelbogen assigned to investigate the situation, and we know he’s a level headed guy, so I’m sure it all got worked out.

Wait, what? I knew she thought that her utility bill was part of the vast feminist conspiracy, but I didn’t know that Fidelbogen would be playing the roll of Inspector Clouseau.

I mean, seriously, that sounds like the plot of some surrealist comedy film.

daintydougal
daintydougal
10 years ago

Are they making up these obscene lies about david/us because they don’t like it when people point out warren farrell’s incest and abuse apologia?
Like, they know that makes them look bad so they try and smear others, but they don’t actually care if anyone is actually supporting/committing abuse, and they’re even less interested in actual victims, they just need to ‘win’.
Pretty gross.

Isabelle
Isabelle
10 years ago

A pod of feminists would work better as a metaphor, since that’s the word for an all female group of orcas.

@sparky,

so in that scenario, we’re the Pink Panther, right?

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

When Elam gets a threat made from pasted magazine letters that reads “yOu Will STeP On aLl thE LeGOs,” I’ll believe it came from someone who follows this blog.

Ha ha ha. This wins this week’s whole Internet.

Gen
Gen
10 years ago

Well, they’ve falsely accused David of supporting kiddie porn, child abuse and now genocide. You’re right about the projection. They fear false accusations in part because they know they make so many of them and they’d hate to be treated the way they treat others.

Yeah, what the hell is that all about?

The weapons-grade projection in the manosphere gets me every. time.

And what’s this about Dean Esmay and AIDS denialism?

D. Happy
D. Happy
10 years ago

Hunh? You wrote an entire blog that you were falsely accused of being the “first” to link Rodger to the MRM? Wow. Slow day? And so we should now draw the conclusion that the MRM campaign against false accusations and the lack of due process (for which there are now a score of lawsuits) has no value?… Again, wow.

GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

PROJECTION
One of my favorite sayings: When you point the fingers, you have three pointing back at you.
I had a high school friend who used to say, “Don’t judge others by yourself.”
Everywhere I look, particularly in the manosphere, I see tons of projection; people who seem to say, Well, if we were in their position, we would have done thus-and-so so they MUST be doing thus-and-so. I don’t want to start getting into politics, but this seems to be excruciatingly common among conservatives. The so-called IRS scandal seems to be based on the idea that “Well, if we had the White House, we’d try to find ways to use the IRS to harass progressives, so they must be using it to harass conservatives.” I haven’t looked for it among progressives but I’m sure it’s there.
MRAs will say things like “All feminists are crazy, angry bitches who spread false stories and demean men,” demonstrating in the comment itself all the faults that they accuse their opponents of committing: being angry, making false statements, demeaning women.
In fact, I would say that without projection the MRM would be practically mute. Wouldn’t that be awful?

GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

“The weapons-grade projection in the manosphere gets me every. time.”
I’m jealous that I didn’t think up “weapons-grade projection” — what a great phrase.

Stephen Jones (@steverific)

Just wondering, have you taken those mainstream media journalists to task for misrepresenting your words?
Don’t get me wrong, this “why is everybody against me?” article is great and all, but have you taken steps to defend your journalistic integrity?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
10 years ago

Oh FFS. JudgyBitch published an article on AVFM titled “Is David Futrelle covering for violent feminists?” This supposed gotcha is because he didn’t notice some allegedly genocidal posts made in the now defunct RadFemHub after looking at the poorly-organized Agent Orange files.

Really? That’s supposed to be damning? Methinks AVFM is flailing desperately for some reason.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Ann Morgan

they then went off on the author Marion Zimmer Bradley, who allegedly molested her daughter.

ALLEGEDLY? I thought it was pretty fucking clear that she did. Multiple times.

RE: Das Pink

Bullying was a media myth with regard to the events at Columbine High School.

I think Bancroft was not neccesarily drawing a correlation between Columbine and bullying, merely that when people talk about bullying or school violence (which are two separate phenomena), they ignore the gender dynamics. The sentence is ambiguous. (And also, I have a hard time believing Bancroft is saying school shootings happened due to bullying, since he’s talking about abuse and talks a LOT about how abusers use all sorts of excuses to justify their violent behavior, regardless of how true those excuses are.)

Taino
Taino
10 years ago

Its nine days until the conference and they are digging in
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/is-david-futrelle-covering-for-violent-feminists/

katz
10 years ago

me and not you: We should send that video to that guy who claimed there was no dating advice for men before the internet. (And check out the fiestaware they’re washing at 8:15.)

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