I have a new theory that I think might help to explain why so many Men’s Rights Activists are so obsessed with false accusations of rape. It’s simple: They are so used to making false accusations themselves, about pretty much everything, that it’s hard for them to conceive of someone making an accusation that is actually true.
Naturally, as a critic of the Men’s Rights movement I’m a fairly reliable target for these false charges, and rarely does a day go by in which I don’t learn some new, terrible, and wholly imaginary thing I’m alleged to have said or done. Hell, these days I can barely make it through a Twitter conversation with A Voice for Men’s Dean Esmay without him spouting some grotesque falsehood about me.
The latest accusation from the A Voice for Men crowd – or at least from AVFM’s so-called Honey Badger Brigade – is that all the media talk about Elliot Rodger being an MRA was my fault. Or, as “Honey Badger” Alison Tieman put it in a tweet that she sent to an assortment of media outlets that had written about Rodger and the MRAs,
"Journalism" connecting Elliot Roger to Men's issues relies on penny-hack with ties to genocidal ideogogs @dailykos http://t.co/DLCTXDiJv1
— Alison Tieman (@Typhonblue) June 16, 2014
Tieman’s tweet links to a post on the Honey Badger Brigade blog titled “Feminist media bias, or how Man Boobz caused a media circus,” complete with a little caricature of me. (At least they didn’t depict me as a shirtless, self-flagellating Michael Moore lookalike, this time, or as a giant man-baby with poopy diapers eating a chicken leg.)
The big revelation of the Honey Badger Brigade post? That the first article that connected Eliot Rodger to the Men’s Rights movement included … a link to my blog:
I compiled a list of online articles in a rudimentary timeline, searching for the earliest pieces linking Elliot Rodger to MRAs, and the findings were pretty extraordinary. Likely the first article making this connection was on the Daily Kos, citing a blog. Which blog, you ask? None other than David (Man Boobz) Futrelle’s cutting-edge journalism at wehuntedthemammoth.com.
It gets worse. Of the 16 articles I looked at, eight of them sourced the Daily Kos article either directly or indirectly by citing an article that had cited that same Daily Kos article.
The clear implication of the post is that I was the “source” of the notion that Rodger was an MRA.
There’s just one little problem with that argument, which is that I never said any such thing.
Indeed, when the writer at the Daily Kos published their piece, I had said precisely nothing on the subject of Rodger at all. In fact, my first post on Rodger was published after the Daily Kos piece appeared. That Daily Kos piece, which was based on original reporting by its author, linked only to my writings about incels, and the link to We Hunted the Mammoth was only one in a multitude of links.
Here’s what I said about Rodger in my first post on the subject:
[Rodger’s video] sounds almost like a parody of the misogynistic beliefs and rhetoric that I write about on this blog. His language and his melodramatic tone both echo the writings of many of those young men who consider themselves “incels.” His anger is the same anger we see from the rejected men who lash out with insults and threats on OkCupid when their often crude advances are turned down. He reminds me of every so-called “nice guy” who is inwardly seething with resentment born of sexual entitlement denied. He even, at one point, calls himself a “gentleman.” He also calls himself an “alpha.”
It is clear that his resentment at women was stoked by what I call the “new misogyny” and by steeping himself in at least one online community that reaffirmed his exaggerated, unwarranted sense of victimhood. So far we have evidence that he was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” and angry trolls.
I made no mention of the Men’s Rights movement at all.
In a later post, written after a great deal more information about Rodger had appeared online, I was more explicit in stating that he was not, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, an MRA.
So why did so many in the media describe him as an MRA? Well, it’s not hard to guess: because he was driven by an exaggerated version of the familiar mixture of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement that drives so many MRAs.
As I wrote in my most widely read post on the subject:
While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
I put it a bit more bluntly in a Reddit comment I wrote after first seeing the Honey Badger Brigade post:
If they’d actually paid attention to anything I’ve written on Rodger they would see that I didn’t call him an MRA; I went out of my way to point out that as far as we know he didn’t read MRA sites.
That said, as he was a regular at PUAhate, he was part of what you might call the MRA extended universe, and much of his ideology came out of the same misogynistic swamp that MRAs inhabit.
I didn’t cause any of this. MRAs caused this by being shitheads, and by thinking “any publicity is good publicity.” This is what MRAs get for supporting and defending AVFM for years, for their Occidental College spamming, for their crusades against an assortment of feminist villains they harassed and slandered. Oh, and for spewing misogyny all day every day.
My blog DOCUMENTS this. They’re the ones saying the shit that I quote. They made their own bed.
Other journalists have used me and my blog as a resource. They incorrectly labeled Rodger an MRA. But they weren’t far off. He was MRA-adjacent.
Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars ate up the Honey Badger Brigade post, which seemed to confirm my reputation as some sort of dastardly misandrist boogeyman. None of them seemed to have read a word of anything I’d actually written about Rodger. One Redditor described me thusly:
The Futrella is a desperate character with receding hair and receding appreciation from his Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents. …
I do wonder if his followers are real or if he spends all his time between pizza and diet soda masquerading under multiple legends?
A few were calling for my head.
That’s a bit of an understatement, huh?
Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a receding hairline. Even that is a false accusation.
As is Tieman’s remark about the “genocidal ideogogs” [sic]. But that’s a whole other kettle of worms.
EDIT: Oops. I originally neglected to take the difference in time zones into consideration when writing about when the Daily Kos piece appeared. While it did appear before my post, it wasn’t four hours before. I’ve corrected this in the piece.
They are going to sue you for the threats that have, so far, been unsubstantiated?
That’s some chutzpah.
Well, they certainly are vesting you with a lot of power, David. Pretty soon they’ll be linking you to Benghazi and 9/11.
Also, I vote we have the quarterly Mammoth Ideagog meeting at Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggcharbunagungamaugg.
To be fair, Alison Tieman also thinks that feminists control the power company and sent her a large bill in retaliation for one of her Youtube videos, and she believes that some 90% of men are closeted trans women for some reason. She’s already transcended the plane of existence that the rest of us are still hanging out on, so we can’t yet fully understand her version of reality.
LBT, yes, THAT con. I’m dying to see how this unfolds. I’m so certain it’s been lies on top of lies and that eventually it’s all going to come crashing down on Elam’s head. (fingers crossed)
David I already sent an email to you but I’ll just type it here anyway
I found these sites and I thought you might want to check them out
MA’AM Men Against Assholes and Misogny
WTF Nice Guys
MRA Marmoset
Feminism is bullshit tumblr
I’m not sexist but and I’m not racist but tumblr
Stupidity Brony tumblr
Hey Sarah, can you talk about the FOIC you mentioned on Mudraker? I’m curious.
I’m going to call the Detroit conference the “con con”. 🙂
I have thought that it would be an interesting exercise to basically examine one of their twitter accounts, from now backwards because they read this blog so might change their behaviour, and:
– count the total number of tweets
– calculate the percentage of tweets that are activism (excluding the bloody con con, that’s advertising)
– calculate the percentage of tweets that are anti-feminism (including people associated with feminism)
and:
– count the number of tweets that apparently have facts in them
– calculate the percentage of these tweets where the facts are represented accurately.
I would be interested in the results of this exercise.
Don’t worry about David. He can take care of himself quite well (especially since he’s engaging in a battle of wits with unarmed people). If he is at all like me, he is proud of having enemies like these. If someone like Elam or Esmay ever agreed with anything I said or complimented me, I think I’d want to kill myself. The hatred of tools like them says that you’re doing something right.
Projection: I have always loved the saying that when you point the finger at someone you have three fingers pointing back at you. It’s interesting how often the people who talk about man-hating feminists tend to be blatantly obvious woman-haters. I guess it’s hard to believe that there are people who don’t share your pathology.
So basically nothing is new today. For a group that constantly tells other groups that they need to take responsibility, has anyone ever seen even one of them do it? Hell, no. They can’t even be honest with themselves let alone anyone else. Everything out of their mouths is projection because they lie so badly and so often that they think that’s what everyone else does. They have nothing; which is why they have to lie, make up situations, and blame other people for their pathetic lives and bad press.
It is amusing how they’re splitting hairs over what faction of the manosphere Rodgers belonged to. Like there is any difference between them other than how they want to punish women and put them “back in their place”.
But… I’m me! I’m not you! They’re saying I’m really David? Have I been lying to myself this whole time? Up is down; Left is right; I’m having existential solipsistic fits!
Ninja’ed. Sorry. 🙂
It’s all in your head, me and not you! We are all cats in a David suit. Some of us are ferrets in cat suits in a David suit. You are David and you are your Furrinati self … nothing complicated there …
For a group that likes to denigrate feminism as “professional victimhood” they spend an awful lot of their time (like, all of it) talking about how they’re the victims of women’s evil plotting, don’t they? When they’re not busy doxxing, harassing and trying to silence women speaking out against their “self-evident” arguments. Totes victims.
GrumpyOldMan, false accusations of any kind are going to take a toll, I think. ‘Consider the source’ will only take a person so far; when it’s a very public and relentless battle, it has to be discouraging and exhausting at times.
saintnick86:
Exactly, like when Elam called for a month of domestic abuse against women in graphic detail, and then when called on it cried “BUT BUT BUT SATIRE!”
Ha ha, yeah! It’s all just jokin’ around, good fun, right Paul Elam?! #hitawoman TROLOL!
*VOMIT*
!!? I mean, I guess it would require a certain level of willful delusion to be a FeMRA in general, but I’m a little confused about the logic behind one’s local utility company being part of the vast feminazi conspiracy, power companies tending to be majority male environments ime.
But wait! Usually when you actually call the power company the customer service person who answers the phone is a woman! Obviously the CS reps are monitoring the YouTube accounts of all customers for signs of lack of compliance with the feminist agenda, and they totally have the power to change your bill accordingly, which they get away with because power companies don’t have accountants.
“For a group that likes to denigrate feminism as “professional victimhood” they spend an awful lot of their time (like, all of it) talking about how they’re the victims of women’s evil plotting, don’t they?”
Projection again.
I thought David was all ferrets? WHAT IS PHONE???
I feel like I’m in eXistenZ. Am I real? Or am I in a game as a sockpuppet for David?
😀
Seriously, living inside the head of an MRA must be like living in a Cronenburg movie. It’s just so surreal. How do people actually see the world this way? It’s like they’re not living in the world I’m living in.
Wait, so David is everything? Or just everything fuzzy and adorable? And I am a fuzzy and adorable thing and therefore David, or … because I am David I am fuzzy and adorable? Maaan this is why I failed philosophy 101. (Not really, but I did get into a really big argument with the prof over the idea of “Man in nature”/”Man without civilization (i.e. culture)” because to be human is to have culture…)
@WWTH: Cronenburg or David Lynch?
I forgot about Typhon’s battle with Feminazi Light and Power Co! Did that ever get resolved? I guess so, since she apparently has electricity now.
Auntie Alias, I can’t remember where it was that I saw the AVFMers declaring that you were me, but it’s bizarre. Apparently MRAs think that I write this blog, and all the comments on it, and then in my spare time I argue with them on other sites using sockpuppets.
I wish I could type that fast.
I wish I had that much TIME.
WWTH, tell me the truth… are we still in the game?
What is with these guys calling the feMRAs “honey badgers”? It creeps me out in a dirty leering old man kinda way.