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#EndFathersDay: Trolls being trolls, or "black propaganda" designed to tear apart feminism?

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You all got the memo about #EndFathersDay fiasco, right – the phony “feminist” hashtag, seeded and spread by 4chan trolls, that aroused so much consternation on Twitter the other day, and that took in so many who’re already given to thinking the worst about feminism?

It would be nice if we could just dismiss this whole thing as trolls being trolls – no harm, no foul. But there’s a bit more to it than that.

For one thing, the troll campaign worked. At least on some people: While feminist writers quickly rushed in to point out that the whole thing was an antifeminist hoax, more than a few in the right-wing media were taken in utterly.

On the National Review Online, Molly Wharton warned that “Twitter anti-fatherists” were taking aim at a holiday that they said “glorifies rape, patriarchy, and child abuse.” The Washington Examiner railed against #EndFathersDay as “the latest ridiculous hashtag from the feminist outrage machine.”

On Fox News’ Fox & Friends, antifeminist author and “Princeton Mom” Susan Patton went further:

They’re not just interested in ending Father’s Day, they’re interested in ending men. …That’s really what they want.

A similar warning came from the self-proclaimed leader of the self-proclaimed Men’s Human Rights Movement:

https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/477679872761135104

The Daily Caller tried to play it a bit cooler, acknowledging that the phony campaign had started with 4chan but contending that “feminists quickly picked it up and ran with it.”

The evidence? The alarmists cited tweets like this one, from “Phoebe Kwon” a self-proclaimed “Lesbian, Korean American, Feminist” from “San Fransico.” [sic]

https://twitter.com/PhoebeKwon/statuses/477262894552195072

Kwon was also responsible for this charmingly subtle Tweet – I’m not sure how the right-wingers missed this one.

https://twitter.com/PhoebeKwon/status/477294012492431362

Had any of these commentators looked closely at the “outrageous” tweets cited as evidence of this feminist anti-fatherite uprising they might have figured out that something was up: They all seemed to come from a tiny handful of Twitter accounts, most with only a few followers, many of them festooned with elaborate Social Justice Warrioresque self descriptions, like this one, from @CisHate11

Polyamorous Pansexual Otherkin (faerie), Marxist Misandrist. Fucker of the patriarchy. I majored in womyns studies and procrastination

Phoebe Kwon, one of the most-quoted of all the alleged anti-fatherites, not only spelled the name of her alleged home city wrong; as one We Hunted the Mammoth reader pointed out to me, her avatar was actually a stock photo:

Phoebe Kwon, feminist Tweeter
Phoebe Kwon, feminist Tweeter
Phoebe Kwon, stock photo model
Phoebe Kwon, stock photo model

And, oh yeah, 4channers – at least those in on the joke – have acknowledged her as one of their own.

As the Daily Dot noted, this was not the first time 4channers had angered the gullible and annoyed real feminists with a fake feminist #hashtag campaign. In January they got some traction with a phony “thinspo” campaign “BikiniBridge,” celebrating what one Tumblr blog called “the graceful space created by a woman’s hip bones suspending bikini bottoms from their abdomens.”

This was followed by the even more ridiculous Operation Freebleeding, which denounced tampons and sanitary pads and all devices used to staunch the flow of menstrual blood as tools of the patriarchy.

So, some trolls trolled some people. Big deal right?

Well, not exactly. Because this isn’t just trolling for the sake of trolling. This is trolling with an agenda.

If you scroll back through “Phoebe Kwon’s” tweets, you’ll see that “her” account originated back in August of 2013, in the midst of a Twitterstorm around the hashtag #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen. While that hashtag was a real one, started and promoted by feminist/womanist women of color to critique white allies (and “allies”), 4channers jumped into the fray with fake Twitter accounts in an attempt to poison the discussion and further divide feminists along racial lines.

“Kwon” and other faux accounts also jumped into the more recent #YesAllWomen hashtag with deliberately and sometimes ridiculously inflammatory tweets.

https://twitter.com/PhoebeKwon/status/367766686503407616

https://twitter.com/PhoebeKwon/status/367460519776485376

The trolls behind these campaigns aren’t just trolls out to create chaos, though they are that. They’re also racist, homophobic, transphobic bigots out to fuck over feminism.

Indeed, a few months ago, a writer for Roosh Valizadeh’s Return of Kings blog who goes only by Douglas reported that he’d gotten a mysterious message from someone called “Bavarian,” who told him that 4chan’s antifeminist campaigns were all part of something called “Operation Lollipop,” a “black propaganda” campaign to fracture feminism. Bavarian wrote:

I was told you are interested in my group’s (Codename: Lollipop) ongoing operation against the PoOs (People of Oppression). My group poses as feminists on twitter. We bait other PoOs into agreeing with us as we subtly move them more and more to the extreme. The purpose is to make moderate feminists turned off with the movement, as well as cause infighting within the group. …

We manly pose as women of color and argue with white feminists. We “check their privilege” to the point that they are fed up. For example, if they say “it’s not our time to talk, white ladies, it’s our time to listen,” we say “the last time white women just listened, George Zimmerman walked free.”

The campaign began during Hugo Schwyzer’s public meltdown, which Bavarian described as filtered through his own racist lens:

This group started when the hashtag #solidarityisforwhitewomen started trending. It referred to an incident where the feminist Hugo Schwartz [sic] had a mental breakdown and revealed on twitter that feminism was a fraud. He further revealed that WoC were incompetent and only got in the way of the movement. Some white women offered him sympathy and told him to get help. The WoC got angry and started the hashtag.

Bavarian pointed him to a page documenting the phony tweets, many of which come from the same accounts that posted the most outrageous #EndFathersDay tweets. (The site he linked to is now down, but this blog, still available through the Wayback Machine, appears to be some sort of mirror.)

Douglas, for his part, was delighted by the deviousness of it all.

I can only imagine the chaos such an operation would wreak upon the feminists. I look forward to seeing how it all works out. Maybe it will cause the level of mistrust to skyrocket to levels that would hinder the feminist machine. Maybe it will give me more things to laugh at on the internet. All I know is this concept is quite dastardly and funny.

It’s all a bit ridiculously cloak and dagger, but I don’t think we can dismiss it as a joke. The people behind it are trolls, sure, but they are also nasty bigots obsessed with fucking up feminism and “progressives” in general. And people still get fooled by these campaigns.

Now that we know what they’re up to, the trolls may find it harder to fool quite so many people in the future. They may keep trying, to lesser and lesser effect. Or they might come up with something a bit more sophisticated. I guess we’ll see.

EDITED TO ADD:  Check out the Twitter hashtag #YourSlipIsShowing, devoted to exposing these fake accounts; so far they’ve IDed 200 or so. This Storify is useful, too.

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emilygoddess
10 years ago

Does Glenn Beck exist any longer? I feel like he’s a character that’s lost it’s efficacy, been retired.

I think he’s on satellite radio now. But at his peak, he was instrumental in getting Tea Party talking points out to the public, so I’m not buying the claim that anyone had to go out of their way to make the TP look bad.

Your attempt to try and paint 4chan as some black ops unit of MRAs is just patently ridiculous and a bit tin foily.

Saintnick, it looks like your friend followed you.

Ceh Beach, I think you’re misreading. It’s 4channers who are trying to paint 4chan as anti-feminist black ops.

Apparently feminists are now trying to distance themselves from their own ideology by blaming it on the patriarchy.

TIL that individual trolls = the patriarchy. Either that or Bjurn has no idea what he’s on about.

pecunium
10 years ago

Woody… tell me again how you aren’t an MRA/misogynist. Tell me again how you know 1: there were actual threats, and 2: they were made by feminists and 3: why you gave money to Paul Elam to spend as he sees fit?

pecunium
10 years ago

Woody: But the only reason the pranksters are able to do this sort of thing is because the feminist presence gullible misogynists like me [have] a real track record of mob behavior

FTFY

alysonmiers
10 years ago

Reblogged this on The Monster's Ink and commented:
Operation Lollipop. This does explain a fair amount of fuckery that I witnessed on Twitter. A tiny bit of that fuckery was directed at me in particular. It was easy enough at the time to see that the people in question were expressing views not representative of intersectional feminism, and generally failing at any type of feminism at all. But now I see where they really come from.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
10 years ago

@Emilygoddess
Yeah, even /b/ dislikes them
There are basically 3 containment boards on 4chan
/pol/ which is basically “whining about ethnic minorities/liberals/feminists/anyone who isnt a fascist”
/int/ which is “europeans arguing whos country is better and complaining about immigrants”
and /r9k/ which is basically “LAND OF THE MISOGYNIST NECKBEARDS”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

(Is confused about what would qualify someone as a misogynist neckbeard that needs to be isolate on a forum full of misogynist neckbeards.)

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Woody, back up your claims that feminists say this sort of thing all of the time with citations or GTFO.

Ally, Please accept is hug offering—–>HUG
You exist and you don’t have to have a familial relationship with men in order to not hate men. Thanks for speaking up. We need to change the way we think about and talk about things like this.

saintnick86
10 years ago

@Emily:

Saintnick, it looks like your friend followed you.

Yeah, just noticed his post.

Funny thing about that: he loves to claim just how much he “doesn’t care” about this online stuff – only to then make a big deal about it. I wouldn’t of even expected him to comment on this blog but, well, apparently he’s even more disingenuous than I thought.

I mean, if I didn’t give a shit – like he supposedly doesn’t but does – I just wouldn’t bother replying at all. Seems rather two-faced to me…

Ceh Beach, I think you’re misreading. It’s 4channers who are trying to paint 4chan as anti-feminist black ops.

Apparently, to him, even pointing out that reactionaries manufacture controversies – like ACORN and a number of other incidences – is akin to being a Truther or Anti-Vaxxer and that we should concentrate on “real” politics (because gender-related ones don’t count or something).

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

We had a lovely Fathers’ Day here. My husband and I both got to do what we wanted – he stayed home, I went out. Then we had dinner with our two sons. How androcentric!

Honestly, I hadn’t even heard about this mishegass until I checked in here today. Must be living right.

Isabelle
Isabelle
10 years ago

No ManCrusher in my kitchen….will make do with my NutCracker. Its really cool too. It looks just like this:

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
10 years ago

@Cassandrakitty
the rest of 4chan is mostly bog standard everywhere on the internet “hurf blurf go back to kitchen” misogyny, /r9k/ is just totally detached from reality when it comes to women (it is really really hard for me to describe it without dipping into abilist language)

the mods have been trying down on a lot of the shit but the ratio of mods to users is just so out of whack its like trying to stop a dam break with a roll of paper towels

takshak
takshak
10 years ago

I want that nutcracker!!

we should concentrate on “real” politics
translation: “talk about MEEEEE!”

saintnick86
10 years ago

we should concentrate on “real” politics
translation: “talk about MEEEEE!”

That, or alternatively: “I like to put up this facade that I only care about ‘important’ things when, in reality, I spend more time getting worked up over those ‘unimportant’ than the people I accuse of doing so – not that I’ll admit that or that I’m wrong about anything.”

strivingally
10 years ago

[CN: violent imagery, misogyny] I can’t stand it when people dismiss pushes for increased equality as “identity politics” and say that there are “more important” things to worry about. It’s concern trolling, and I basically see it as being equivalent to “blacks aren’t being lynched openly anymore and women can own property and vote, whaddya whining about?”

When some members of society are told they should be happy with only making it a couple of rungs up Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs, that’s a problem!

saintnick86
10 years ago

I can’t stand it when people dismiss pushes for increased equality as “identity politics” and say that there are “more important” things to worry about.

Moreso that most individuals who generally don’t bother with politics or social issues or a number of other problems – but still feel inclined to come in and mansplain to everyone else how “irrational” they are for caring at all. Which, again, is weird to do if you supposedly “don’t care.”

I’d tell someone there’s more important things to worry about when, say, someone spends more time obsessing over sports than anything else. Especially when it is all they want to talk about. But when people are discussing politics on some level or another, they’re at least dealing with important issues. I hear people complain about “Social Justice Warriors” for being annoying but…what are they doing? Complaining about “complaining”, and nothing else. That’s way more annoying and, without a purpose like “Social Justice Warriors”, are not doing anything of significance. Even raising awareness on issues takes some time and effort as well as a sense of conviction. Lacking that conviction, they think no one else should either and deride any attempts at larger discourse.

It’s concern trolling, and I basically see it as being equivalent to “blacks aren’t being lynched openly anymore and women can own property and vote, whaddya whining about?”

What I don’t get is why, rather than let others converse as they please and mind their business, they feel the need to do this when they hear something they don’t like.

Y’know what I do most of the time I come across something I dislike or have no interest in? I ignore it, usually. It’s not hard – yet they act like they can do nothing about their compulsion for rudeness.

Shaenon
10 years ago

Woody… tell me again how you aren’t an MRA/misogynist. Tell me again how you know 1: there were actual threats, and 2: they were made by feminists and 3: why you gave money to Paul Elam to spend as he sees fit?

4: examples of the countless feminists–many of them on this very site!–who have adopted “Kill All Men” as their slogan and totally say it all the time.

We had a pretty laid-back Father’s Day, since it’s the last one before my husband becomes a father next month.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Woody used the word “hysterical” to describe feminism. Gosh, I wonder why he didn’t know any better?

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

But the only reason the pranksters are able to do this sort of thing is because the feminist presence has a real track record of mob behavior and saying shit similar to this anyway.

Since when do feminists say things like “WW can be raped just like PoC can be racist. Oh wait they can’t.” and “Instead of Fathers Day we need Castration Day #EndFathersDay”?

Yes, there are some shitty feminists out there (I’m looking at you, TERFs). But for fucks sake, Feminists don’t say this shit.

It’s like the boy who cried wolf. The feminist presence on twitter has engaged in such hysterical and overheated rhetoric (KillAllMen, etc) that something like EndFathersDay is plausible.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT. Is the issue of rape culture “hysterical”? Is saying “all women suffer from sexual harassment and harmful gender norms” “overheated rhethoric”?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Elliot Rodger was an isolated incident and not indicative of a culture of misogyny right?

Oh wait
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/police-man-threatened-kill-woman-uw/ngMPt/

katz
10 years ago

“Identity politics” is such a weird way to dismiss people’s views, anyway. “You care about things that are deeply relevant to you personally? Well, don’t!”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

It mostly seems to be a way of saying “I am too stupid to have realized that the reason I don’t feel the need for identity politics is that my society assumes my identity to be the norm”.

strivingally
10 years ago

Well said, @cassandrakitty. “This problem doesn’t affect me, so obviously it’s not a problem! Now quit whining about it!”

I hope these people don’t work in health care. “What do you mean your leg’s broken? My leg is fine! Stop carrying on and walk home already!”

GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

Most of the anti-feminists are scared — well, I was going to write shitless, but they are never shitless — to death of feminists and they only way they can think of to combat reasonable feminist comments is to claim that they are always making obviously unreasonable one. I have heard the “kill all men” canard many times, always from anti-feminists. There not much that anyone can do about people who can not deal with reality. Unfortunately we have one political party here in the US which has no policy other than shoveling more money to the rich and no strategy other than scaring older white men about blacks and latinos and women, oh my.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

@GrumpyOldMan
Did you just change your avatar? I am sure you didn’t have that kitty last time I saw you.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

I hope these people don’t work in health care. “What do you mean your leg’s broken? My leg is fine! Stop carrying on and walk home already!”

True story – when I had a broken foot and cracked ankle after a car crash, my medical doctor brother told me it was all in my mind and to get over it!

Happily, he got over himself & is now the doctor I would trust without hesitation with my life (even if he still has a tendancy to dismiss anything wrong with members of the family as “it’s nothing, I’ve seen far worse”) /proudsister

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