Sometimes I wonder if we’re being unfair to Men’s Rights Activists by allowing them to handle their own publicity. I mean, it’s pretty clear that they’re terrible at it. Worse than terrible, really. Terribler. Possibly the terriblest.
I mean, just this week we saw the official social media director of A Voice for Men’s conference in Detroit announcing the conference’s new venue with this:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/statuses/476822883881459712
Bloomfield now claims this was her attempt to “troll” people like you and me by tweeting what I guess she’s now saying is a thoroughly awful fake quote which for some reason she has decided to attribute to a real person. This makes so little sense by normal human standards that I find this explanation a little hard to believe — but I guess I’m just getting trolled by my own skepticism? Oh, Judgy Bitch, you got me!
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/statuses/476822883881459712
Whoops! I guess I got trolled a third time!
And … oh, for a second there I thought I was going to be trolled again, but I stood firm. For now.
Anyway, all this is just a long intro for some Actual Authentic I Didn’t Make These Up Honest to Goodness Men’s Rights Memes that I discovered on the blog of someone named Francis Roy, an MRA, an AVFM fan, and a bit of a meme enthusiast. The somewhat baffling meme at the top of this post? One of his best.
Which is to say, his memes basically suck, even by meme standards.
If a picture is worth a thousand words, these are all overvalued by at least 997 words. You can find them all in the meme section of his blog, though, be warned, he also posts a lot of graphic and disturbing pictures of dead soldiers and circumcised babies and other horrible things. (Note to MRAs: a lot of feminists, like me, are also troubled by and/or opposed to circumcision. Instead of derailing every discussion of female genital mutilation and alienating potential allies, you might try taking your message to the public at large?)
Anyway, let’s get to the memes. Note: A couple are mildly NSFW.
Here we learn that divorced mothers who have custody of the children are really just keeping them in order to enjoy all that sweet-ass child support cash!
Note: custodial parents who’ve been awarded child support actually receive, on average, about $300 per month. You can almost buy an XboxOne for that! Or, you know, you can try to feed and clothe and care for a child. And pay for child care, and babysitters, and doctor’s visits, and toys, and, you know, shelter. Huh. $300 actually doesn’t sound like that much.
Frankly as a money-making proposition, “stealing me for daddy’s money” seems like kind of a bust.
But let’s just move on to this fine meme, which as far as I can figure it is some sort of attack on underwear models:
Really? Hath not an underwear model eyes? Hath not an underwear model hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? If you prick an underwear model, do they not bleed? Does blood not run down their smooth, tight abs?
Pretty sure it does. Seriously. Underwear models need to eat, too! Well, maybe not as much as I do, but come on! Stop the hate!
Oh, did I mention that Mr. Roy apparently considers himself a Man Going His Own Way?
Yeah, let’s just move on.
Lol wut
Oh, come on!
I’m not even a Christian, but, seriously?
I’m going to post two quotes here. One will be from Jesus. The other from a rather well-known Man Going His Own Way. See if you can tell the difference.
Here’s the first quote. See if you can tell if this is Jesus, or MGTOW elder Christopher in Oregon.
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Here’s the other quote:
I’m going to be blunt. Have you ever smelled a vagina? Seriously. I mean in it’s natural, unwashed state? Really stuck your nose right down there and taken a deep breath?
Once.
My G-d. The stench could have knocked a buzzard off a shit wagon at fifty paces. To this day I swear there was a cloud of flies buzzing around that portal of doom. Sometimes when riding my Harley-Beasties around the rural roads here in Oregon, I encounter dead skunks. Road kill. We have a lot of them here, and when they’ve been baking in the summer sun, you can smell them a long way off even at sixty miles per hour.
Vaginas tend to be even nastier.
SPOILER ALERT: The first quote was the one from Jesus.
Let’s see what else Mr. Roy has got.
Wait, is that one of Mr. Roy’s memes, or did I just accidentally post a pic from my extensive collection of FemDom porn?
By which I mean, yes that was one of his memes and forget what I said about that other stuff.
Ok, one more.
Yaaagh!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to spring that on you. Hopefully you weren’t eating.
But in the unlikely event that you would like to print out your own high-quality color poster of a glowering Paul Elam to hang over your bed, or wherever you hang such pictures, I’ve got some good news for you! Mr. Roy has helpfully provided a downloadable pdf version!
All of the above graphics are by Francis Roy and under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Mikey isn’t smart enough to be a poodle. Poodles are capable of learning the fact that repeating the same behavior that never yields the desired results is pointless.
The first image is a visual representation of the apex fallacy as popularized by Paul. This would be self-evident if you actually tried to understand what AVfM is all about, or gave a crap about anything.
@Woody
That it is a visual representation of a fake fallacy is why it’s fucking stupid. Don’t pretend that we’re the ones who are clueless here.
My cat is smarter than Woody.
please tell me there are photos of this!
Yes, and unfortunately, they’re so smart that they often don’t get the stimulation they need from their humans, which leads to the behaviors that get them stereotyped as “neurotic”.
No, see, he’s just GHOW so hard he came back from death and ascended to heaven just to show Mary M how much he doesn’t need her.
When did WHTM become the Official Blog of Feminism?
Yeah, if only David had ever tried to understand the Apex Fallacy
“That it is a visual representation of a fake fallacy is why it’s fucking stupid. Don’t pretend that we’re the ones who are clueless here.”
Who are you to imperiously designate it a “fake fallacy”? You are demonstrably incorrect. If an individual slug was President, this wouldn’t imply that slugs are the dominant species on the planet.
But no feminist has made a single argument even close to the contrary. It’s based on nothing but a straw man attack on feminist discourses of privilege. That’s why it’s fucking fake.
It’s intersting to me, but when MRA types talk about circumcision, i get the feeling that if they had a child, they would have that child circumcised to be like daddy.
I don’t think they even care about circumcision. I think they just want a “mee too” thing to say.
Who knew that slugs were both legally permitted to run for office and capable of giving campaign speeches?
Dumb as bricks, this one.
Also, imperiously? Is it somehow arrogant to call people out for making up fallacies?
Feminine nym + opinion that you’re not apologizing for = imperiously. If Woody was any more transparent we could use him next time someone needs double glazing done for cheap.
This isn’t a mocking MRAs blog. It’s a mocking misogyny blog. Both MRAs and PUAs do actually have similar misogynistic views on women and there is a lot of overlap even though they both look down on each other.
How do you generate trolls anyway? I don’t troll blogs I don’t like because it’s a fucking stupid and pathetic thing to do. You can’t turn someone into a troll.
This is more of the ‘look what you made me do’ and ‘you brought the abuse on yourself’ crap that misogynists love to engage in.
Who are you to designate it a real fallacy? You can’t just make up something and say “prove me wrong!” Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The claim that men are the oppressed class despite historically and currently holding the majority of political offices and executive positions and despite the fact that women were considered the property of their fathers and then their husbands until not to long ago is very extraordinary.
You might as well be claiming that aspirin cures HIV.
No we aren’t demonstrably incorrect. You haven’t provided any evidence of the “apex fallacy.”
The president thing doesn’t hold up either. Men aren’t privileged in the US only because every president has been a man. It’s because men have been in power in every aspect of society. The presidency is only a small part of that. If Hilary Clinton becomes the next president it won’t mean misogyny is over. Just as Barack Obama’s presidency doesn’t mean racism is over. Nobody here has ever suggested any such thing.
The way these guys debate is so funny. It’s like this.
Them : You cannot prove that the moon is not made of green cheese! Go head, just try.
Us: Offers proof, points out that we did not actually claim that the moon is made of green cheese.
Them : Oh yes you did say that! And as for your proof, can you prove that the group it comes from isn’t affiliated with the FemiNaziCommuGayLiberal agenda? Because if not I’m going to assume it’s all lies.
Us : Dude, that link goes directly to NASA.
Them : See??! You have proved nothing. Now, on to your claim that no men are ever poor.
“Also, imperiously? Is it somehow arrogant to call people out for making up fallacies?”
You can’t just proclaim that the apex fallacy is “not a fallacy” when I just demonstrated that it could be one, even if you disagree with Paul’s application of it to men.
“The president thing doesn’t hold up either. Men aren’t privileged in the US only because every president has been a man. ”
You’re talking past me here. All I’m saying is that the apex fallacy is potentially valid. Whether it applies to men, as Paul would claim, is a different discussion.
You don’t get it, Woody. The apex fallacy as developed as a response to straw feminist claims about privilege. Feminists have literally never committed the apex fallacy.
Well, it’s good that you’re starting to realize that you’re just not smart enough to keep up with the conversation.
You didn’t demonstrate anything Woody.
I actually found something that didn’t make me roll my eyes on Tumblr. And I think it might be a rather useful exercise in learning perspective for Woody, so…
http://miakirshners.tumblr.com/post/86935110531
“You didn’t demonstrate anything Woody.”
As I said, and as you’d know if you bothered to think about it, I demonstrated that the apex fallacy is valid IN THEORY.
“Well, it’s good that you’re starting to realize that you’re just not smart enough to keep up with the conversation.”
Since you’ve failed to add anything to the debate except for an irrelevant link to Tumblr, I’d say you’re a pot charred black.
I’ve got nothing to prove to anyone here, Woody. You, otoh…
Feel free to peruse https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/29/how-bad-ideas-get-started-the-apex-fallacy-the-frontman-fallacy-and-the-murderer-marc-lepine/comment-page-1/#comments and it’s 15 pages of comments.
@emilygoddess
ask and ye shall receive — sadly, i do not have a photo of tess in the car with me, although my mom might. i do have a pic of me and said doggie, dressed to kill and a separate photo of the car i scanned from the original dealers brochure that was in the trunk when i bought the car from an estate of a nasa engineer (along with a suitcase of full sets of belts and hoses and the shop repair manuals, all of which came in handy).
tess, the quinTESSential poodle and me at 3 months preggers
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/hotllama007/IMG_00058.jpg
and the ’62 mercury monterey in a silly graphic i made
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/hotllama007/Me/mercurycrazy.jpg
you will just have to imagine the two together and me in my B-52s finest 🙂
RE: BritterSweet
their coat is hair, not fur.
What does this MEAN, exactly? I’ve heard it before but don’t know the difference.
RE: lowquacks
Moustache recently had a trimming accident and is now probably best pitched as “what if Stalin did porn”
I’ll take “mental images I never wanted” for 500, Alex.
RE: laura72bristol
But how would you react if a supporter of human rights labelled together the good causes of feminism with a nasty, pathetic, vile female men balls severing -hater, in a place as recognised and “official” as your blog?
Well, first you’d have to FIND a nasty pathetic vile female men balls severing -hater to make official. Also, hahahaha, AVFM as legit human rights activists, hahahaha.
RE: emilygoddess
Look, it’s just really important that he remind you how unmanly you are. How else is he supposed to shore up his own fragile masculinity?
He could just stop trying, like I did. Masculinity seems pretty overrated from my position anyway.
RE: Woody (who I am still convinced can’t be real)
If an individual slug was President, this wouldn’t imply that slugs are the dominant species on the planet.
Yeah, well, if I shat unicorns, then I would be JESUS! You ever think of that? Huh? CheckMATE, Woody!