So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
weirwoodtreehugger
@Hyena Girl, men like Mike’s father are a prime target for your ilk. They would like to paint them as the ultimate oppressors. They’ll stop at nothing to impung his character and humanity.
Unfortunately it turns out that you all belong to a reactionary ideology whose talking points do nothing but reinforce every kind of oppression out there. You’re all a bunch of racist, sexist, disablist, transmisogynistic and heterosexist shitheads who care about nothing but maintaining all of those systems of privilege. Do you really feel that proud about “rising”?
Prove it, Woody.
You can’t read, can you, shithead? No one is impugning veterans, except for Mikey and his bullshit.
Do you have to get special spectacles to be like woody? Spectacles that magically gloss over the many commentators talking about the veterans in their family, talking with love and pride, glossing over the actual veterans commenting? What an odd thing to do.
Man, we have really shitty trolls these days.
Who the hell organizes a conference without actually checking the rooms for themselves? Or did the Doubletree sneak in at some point since the contract was written and renovate just to spite Mr. Elam?
@Ally S, I know! Some previous trolls were at least entertaining. This one is merely scum.
@Woody:
My ilk? That’s adorable. No Woody dear, I don’t see servicemen as the ultimate oppressors who I’ll stop at nothing to assassinate the character and humanity of. Where did you get a ridiculous idea like that? I’ll have to ask you for a citation.
I’ve worked with soldiers, been friends with them, shared a drink (both at the VFW and in Kuwait/Iraq) most soldiers are no different from anyone else. Except… they deserve better than being used as a prop.
Anyone want to play number ninja?
If so…1
Lol! I see it too now.
It’s Tommen’s cat Ser Pounce from Game of Thrones. Am I bad feminist for using a male cat with a boy human pet for an avatar?
So when Woody declares the MRM to be winning he means in the Charlie Sheen hopped up to his eyeballs on recreational chemicals sense, right?
And it’s ser pounce! Much squee. MUCH.
Seems Woody’s going down the “feminists stole fourty cakes” path.
I mean, nothing about the accusation makes sense, no proof is offered, but gosh darn it to heck, feminists gone and done it!
And just like the sad display Esmay & co. is putting up, they’re just looking for something to accuse feminists of that they know makes people upset, since they know that once they enter the real world, their usual talking points won’t sell. It’s kind of hilarious actually.
“Have you heard feminists want women to get uppity, that is, to be equal with MEN? The nerve! Wait, I mean… uhh… Feminists want to destroy marriage and murder children by working to make women free to make their own life choices and be the ones who make the decisions about their own bodies! Shit, that makes us look bad… let’s see… Feminists want to bring down western civilization by making a woman get equal pay for doing the same job as a man! No, that came out wrong… err… Those horrible feminists demonize male sexuality by wanting to end rape culture! No, wait, that’s not going to paint us in a good light… umm… oh yeah, I got it! They hate veterans! And also something something child pornography! And probably witchcraft!
…No, YOU are not making any sense!”
I would like to respond to Mike’s Public Challenge with one of my own: Mike, I challenge you to swim to Iceland.
Come on, it’s June. The North Atlantic can’t be that cold in freakin june.
Interestingly enough, there are veterans among those protesting the conference
🙂
I wasn’t here for the good old days of Mega-Trolls in the comments, but it does seem to me that the sort of MRAs commenting here lately are of such a poor quality that they aren’t even worth the time it takes to respond to their tepid stupidity. I think Mikey just needs something to do seeing as his political career isn’t exactly skyrocketing, and he’s probably the sort of person who needs to be constantly acknowledged the way that some sharks need to keep swimming or they’ll die. This probably isn’t the only place he comes to drop his turds of justice.
Makes me think of the Simpson’s Halloween song ‘Just Don’t Look’.
When will the MRAs send a WORTHY champion?
*re-lurk*
MRMs and open-carry gun nuts seem to have the same template (I know, another Cracked article, but this one made me go “where have I seen those behaviours/attitudes before”):
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-to-know-about-armed-men-in-your-local-chipotle/
I fucked up the link on Twitter to Michael Buchanan’s despicable comment about exploiting dead soldiers. Now some dude thinks I made it up and is trying that pseudo-intellectual, “I’m trying to look like I’m fucking with your brain with my super smartz” crap on me.
Anyway, I’m checking if anyone close to me knows someone in charge at the VFA. Elam’s claiming women beg to rape coupled with Buchanan exploiting dead soldiers is something they deserve to know about.
*beg to be raped
David, thank you for your public challenge. My response:
http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/david-futrelles-response-to-our-public-challenge/
Mikey, please. Desperation is a TERRIBLE cologne.
@Mike
So when did you serve?
He said” our public challenge”, so there’s at least two of them being wall flowers together.
Has some internet ruling come out that says anytime person A asks person B to do anything in the comments section of a blog, then that is a public challenge that must be taken seriously by person B and attempted?
I totes missed the email.