So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
“June 9, 2014 By Paul Elam 38 Comments
I am very happy to announce that A Voice for Men’s First International Conference on Men’s Issues has been approved for continuing education units (CEUs) for certain mental health professionals who attend the conference.
Individuals in Michigan and many other states with the credentials of Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Licensed Educational Psychologist (LEP) and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) are qualified.
This development establishes AVFM as an education provider in the mental health community and will become a regular feature of all future conferences.
We look forward to bringing badly needed information on men and boys to mental health professionals everywhere.”
Just makes their ableism even more ironicilicious. And terrirfying.
Mikey, none of us are going to follow your links, so give it up.
If you think it’s the feminists desecrating his memory, you’re an even bigger jackass than you first seemed.
If Elam is so dizzy with success and the venue change is to accommodate the swelling number of attendees, why is there a link on the home page of AVFM branded as:
Mikey please stop. Do you really believe women and children don’t die in war? Please stop.
Mikey, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being, and using your dad as part of your sales pitch is repugnant. He’d probably be ashamed of you if he could see what you spend your time doing now.
“I thought he was from the last generation of men who weren’t automatically vilified on account of being men. He never came close to understanding about feminism, maybe the two things were related.”
Don’t you understand hellkell? His dad was a good man who knew nothing of feminism(?) of course he’d be proud of his repugnant son.
Dear, MRA, sorry to inform you, but your misogyny is anything but new or original. In fact it’s one of the oldest things on Earth.
Everything you have to say has already been said before. Humanity is now moving past those dark ages with or without you.
Mikey, have you no shame?
*Cassandrakitty, sorry. Its not like your your gravitas are even similar! Sorry.
I’m not sure which I find more annoying: Mikey’s desperate attempt to get people to read his sad little blog, or the twitter bullshit the likes of Dean Esmay and JudgyBitch are shitting out right now.
As always, GNL is a strong contender by being the first to announce their ability to miss the point and being an ableist shoe full of diarrhea, but as is usually the case, never lives up to the hype.
Mike, I hadn’t read that article- thank you for your courage in sharing that.
If Mikey B wants a piece of fiction written, he should pay LBT to do it as part of zer writeathon.
I think Mikey B is trying to be the Upworthy of noxious manboobz trolls. (Downworthy? Trollworthy?)
It’s not really working, however. You just don’t have the stuff, Mikey. Try keeping it brief and giving people a more intriguing a “hook” in your headline. Examples:
“I Hate Women, Sorry, Feminists, Who Desecrate My Father’s Memory—And You’ll Never Guess Why”
“You Won’t Believe How Angry This Story Will Make You Feel Toward Women, But You Better Click On My Blog, Quick! Please?”
And yet:
So really, what respect is that exactly?
The respect of hinting that demonstrators will go the way of the dodo, in graves in the ground of a graveyard?
That’s vile, chummer. That’s way vile. That shits on everyone’s memory.
His evidence of feminists dissing his dad?
‘One of the feminist narratives which angers me the most is that men are inherently violent, and that if more women were in charge of countries, we’d see fewer armed conflicts.’
Also, ‘violence by proxy’.
Yeah.
Mikey is a skidmark upon the underpants of British society, and I’m so embarrassed about having to share a nationality with him.
Mikey,
You are a repulsive piece of shit.
My grandfathers who were both WWII would not pleased to hear your claims that I’m desecrating their service simply by being a woman and a feminist. My paternal grandmother is still alive and she served in her own way by being a real life Rosie the riveter (she was actually a welder). Maybe I’ll tell her about you. She’d probably have some choice words.
You need to stop pissing on my grandfather’s graves and using them for your hateful misogynist agenda that neither would approve of. It’s disgusting.
The fucking fuck is this fucking shit? No, just no. You do not get to use the memories of people who fought for your freedom to be an asshole to support your assholery. Well, I mean, thanks to them you legally can, but to call it rude would be like calling bullet ants slightly annoying, or calling a blue ring octopus a bit poisonous.
No, just fucking no.
Titianblue — LBT pronoun rundown:
Rogan and Mac — he/him
Mir and Gigi (I think) — she/her
Sneak — zie/zir
Just a friendly reminder to keep me from exploding in anger at their utter lack of respect.
Sneak — no sign of cactus potting soil, as soon as I find it I’ll have plant babies headed your way!
Hahha, the idea of trying to explain this chump and his ‘views’ to my grandma is making me extraordinarily happy!
Slightly off topic, but my grandma recently received a war medal for my grandad from the government (grandad died 10+ years ago) for his work during the war in the arctic circle. He already had a medal from the Russians, but its taken the uk this long to get around to honouring them. Probably the fault of feminists.
I can only imagine that Detroit was chosen so they could ham-handedly (and is there anything they dont ham hand?) blame feminism for detroits problems
That’s funny because it isn’t even true! As a feminist, I believe men are socialized and encouraged by our patriarchal culture to glorify violence and hold misogynist views. I don’t believe they are inherently violent. I expect them not to rape and beat women and start wars because I know they’re capable of being better than that. Because so many men are already better than that. I don’t think my opinion is an uncommon one.
Maybe if Mikey would actually talk to some feminists in good faith and listen to us he would have a better grasp on what we think and believe. The MRM echo chamber is not actually the best place to learn about feminism.
Crappity crap, did I get LBT’s pronoun?
@LBT, I am so sorry. Will do better.
This almost makes me wish I was in the area so I could drop by that VFW at the right time for a good drink and a chance to give the conference organizers an expressive hand gesture. Men aren’t the only ones who’ve served in the military and in our wars and as a woman who’s done both (and is a VFW member) I’ve more right than them to be there.
So @ Mike Buchanan, Paul Elam, et al: When did you serve?
Men, like Detroit, have been screwed over by inequality.
Or feminism if you’re that way inclined.