So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
OMG, is she going to win Woman Who Annoys Us By Existing of the Month too to take the Brit misogynist triple crown?
OMG. Mikey is like that annoying pimple that just won’t go away, and screams “LOOK AT ME” even though all you want to do is murder it dead.
I’ve also learnt about an email exchange with our grand overloard. Hopefully Dave (or at least the kitties controlling Dave) gave his consent.
Wow, spelling ‘lord’ wrong. Thats bad even for me!
Mikey, you’re being pathetic, stop. We’re never going to go to your blog to give you the traffic you so desperately want.
Ahahaha, so they moved to cushy St. Clair Shores because SUCCESS! and stuff. Um, why not just, oh I don’t know, another, larger venue closer to DoubleTree?
I find it really hard to believe that “Wayne State c*nts” line was ever said by the facilities manager.
I was just scolded by the Grand Poobah himself.
My response: “Spin it all you like, Paul. Perhaps you should have a chat with Janet Bloomfield about disparaging the facility.”
Begging is totes alpha. Meanwhile, Pauly is still really really bad at pretending to be other people. Why does he keep doing that? It’s not like he’s fooling anyone.
What % of mra’s are vets?
People fight wars to STOP the spread of hateful ideologies. My grandad and I’m sure many other WWII vets would be fucking ashamed to hear these woman haters co-opting the horrors they went through for their own gains.
Disgusting.
After reaching: ‘If we ‘need’ more female MPs, do we ‘need’ more white sprinters in the Olympics 100 metres final?’ I think I’m now done with mikeys blog. Blegh.
If I tried to explain MRAs to my Vietnam veteran father, he’d think they were the biggest bunch of candyasses on the planet. Dad’s totally a feminist.
Great picture. I don’t know what we’d do if we didn’t have your sane perspective on this site, thanks as always.
The question to me is, will AVFM be able to bury the need to confirm those “death threats”? Will the whole subject now be dropped, with the Detroit PD quietly shelving the reports? If I were AVFM I would change venues too, even if the hotel hadn’t dumped me, just to be able to add to its fantasy history that it was threatened. I still think it is important that those “threats” be investigated and reported on by the police, and if they are without credibility, that AVFM be called on it every time they try to pretend they occurred..
Mikey succeeded in luring me to his blog, as I couldn’t contain my curiosity on his “challenge” to David. After scrolling down through the massive topbar links menu (my eyes fell upon something like “lying women” as a menu item, among other disturbing things), I found out that Mikey himself is willing to provide all the material David needs to write a blog piece about how diversity in the boardroom results in lower earnings! How gracious!
They’re vile. I hope this blows up in their stupid disingenuous faces.
I’m a complete pacifist and have got into arguments with many (forces) family members about the rights and wrongs, but for some reason this is really pissing me off.
Just how dare they?
Their incoherent ramblings about the draft is one thing, but holding a conference at a veterans club and wallowing in the respectability that gives them is un-good. Distinctly un-good.
@Mike Buchanan
Do you have any idea of how shabby, nay, callous drooling over a veteran cemetery being potential a background for a photos op make you look? My grand-father, my recently deceased husband were both veterans. I find you crass and offensive. You have no respect. Those are the graves of real people, not movie props. I don’t know how you were raised, but in my world, cemeteries, especially military cemeteries are a place of remembrance and respect.
They’re all salivating over the idea of ‘the media’ taking pictures of protesters in the area. (apparently there’s an old peoples home over the road as well) Someone is even fantasising about the ‘protesters’ pictured in front of the lake, then someone can photoshop in a pirate flag. What larks!
Mikey reminds me of the cardboard cutout from the TV cartoon “The Critic” of the title character saying “Buy my book!Buy my book!Buy my book!”
C’mon, guys, come check out my totes great website! I talk about you guys and everything!(i’msolonelywhywon’tanyonetalktomeohgodevenBNPwon’treturnmycalls)
They’re such disgusting people. My granddad died in WW2 – the sacrifices made by his generation are not your photo op, assholes.
“Completely agree security is definitely essential. If the security firm has it, I would have them install a temp outdoor camera system with DVR that records those entering/exiting the building as well as much coverage outside the venue as possible. Nothing beats video evidence. Additionally, I think it would be great to have a thank you to the VFW for accommodating the group on short notice at the press conference. I think that would also be great PR.
Even better if they would be able to accommodate some type of opening ceremony at the press conference, raising of the flag by fellow vets in uniform or some such. Perhaps a bit optimistic or asking too much on my part, but I still think it would be great to see.
IT’S JUST ALL SO FUN AND EXCITING YOU GUYS!!! MAYBE WE CAN BUILD A TREEHOUSE AS WELL!
Well, hey, be fair. The largest room in the Doubletree would hold 300 people, but was that room available to the AVfM crowd? Could be that that room was booked and they had a smaller room?
Don’t get me wrong, I have my doubts that 300 people would be willing to spend $250 on an MRM conference (especially when you consider the truefact that they’re all so oppressed that they’re spending more than they earn in child support) but I’m not sure that the difference between the Doubletree’s largest room and this VFW place is necessarily relevant. Unless we know that it’s this largest room that they had booked? In which case, fair point.
These people are fucking foul. My father did not lose an eardrum/get PTSD to be used a prop by assholes like this.
His loss of eardrum and PTSD just prove how disposable the male gender is so of course he would support them…yeah, no I can’t even continue this pretend line of thought. Feel a bit sick…
I’m seconding Isabelle here:
My grandfather passed away lat summer. He was a career army officer and was very involved in his local VFW. Using the venue to try to get some second-hand legitimacy from veterans is sleazy. So is continuously trying to promote your blog, Mikey B. No one’s interested, and you never actually reply to anyone. WTF you doing here? Go away.
GNL:
But if that’s really the case, why lie about it? I would think that Elam & co. would be falling all over themselves to be able to blame the change of venue on violent feminists. And fuck off with your ableism.
Isabelle, thank you. My beloved father, who was always a hero to me, was a vet too – a British one. He died some six months ago, at the age of 90, and yesterday was the anniversary of his last birthday. He jumped ashore on a Normandy beach five days after D-Day, on 11 June 1944, on his 21st birthday. The only time I ever saw him cry was when he was walking down the rows of crosses and Stars of David in the largest American war cemetery in Normandy, 50 years after he’d first been there.
I hate the feminists who desecrate his memory, and the memories of so many other men in so many wars who gave (and continue to give) their lives so that women and children don’t have to. Here’s why:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/why-i-hate-the-feminists-who-desecrate-my-fathers-memory