So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
Wait, am I getting this right? Judgybitch attributed an inflammatory sexist remark to someone who is willing to help A Voice for Men, basically defaming that person, and she’s bragging about it because there’s no such thing as bad publicity?
Look, Judgybitch, if you defame people who are willing to help you, people won’t want to help you, that seems like bad publicity to me.
Lili Fugit, I dunno, I think there’s a big difference between Stalin’s “Dizzy with success” and, say, G W Bush’s “Mission accomplished,” in that people and the media could mock Bush for it without, you know, getting literally sent to the gulag.
Sure, there’s lots of propaganda in democratic societies, and yeah it’s often more effective than it should be, but there’s a giant difference between what we’ve got and a system where someone literally controls the press, the way a cult leader tries to control the milieu.
This is the first time I’ve seen JB in action, as it were. She reminds me of Sara Mayhew.
that is not a compliment
Also, I don’t think pointing out that Stalin really did send out a lot of disturbingly positive messages is strictly speaking commie-bashing.
Dude was an autocratic mass-murderer. Not a communist by any meaningful definition of the term.
Huh, my previous comment seems to be stuck in moderation for some reason.
Yeah, like, I’ve had people argue with who they THINK I am before (ask me about Multi Moon Lady!) but they at least ACKNOWLEDGE or pause to reconsider when I say something that obviously disagrees with the picture they have in their heads.
JB is just… off the track she goes, charging off into the distance, never to choo-choo again. Like, I’m honestly not sure what she’s trying to say or what reaction she’s trying to get.
That’s not good, since even when NWOslave was at his most frothingly incoherent, you knew what he wanted.
*chuckle* No, it is not.
They do have alot in common though.
They should get together and not be even a little bit funny sometime.
What is a Multi Moon lady?
Is it a lady who is a serial mooner?
Okay, I’m gonna ask too – who was Multi Moon Lady?
It seems JB is trying to debate or whatever she’s trying to do but all I hear is sarcasm like we do, only worse and then she leaves thinking:
http://youtu.be/qfcEHOrhJmQ
“We hope you will join us there to begin a new era of how we discuss matters of sex, gender and power, with compassion for all human beings and in interest in solving all problems people face, not just those selected for us by modern gender ideologues.”
Yup sounds like misogyny. How shocking that you didn’t quote that!
(Tries to figure out Multi Moon Lady)
Person who thinks that the multi thing is somehow associated with the phases of the moon? So, like a much less hairy version of lycanthropy?
I think there may be a fair portion of “medium fish, tiny pond” in the syndrome
So, Multi Moon Lady has a blog which is basically devoted to “debunking” multiplicity. I found her because I googled my name and found her being very disappointed in our system name of Loony-Brain.
I had a conversation with her, but had to stop just because it felt like banging my head against a wall. She kept making all these presumptions that were flat-out WRONG: that we weren’t multi until we saw a therapist, that we were incoherent and impossible to understand, that we had to consciously think to remember what each of us think or like…
And she really had a weird fixation on my GENDER, of all fucking things. She kept insisting that I was female, and that she was misgendering me out of RESPECT, because I wasn’t REALLY male because I didn’t REALLY exist and therefore acquiescing to my repeated request that she call me ‘he’ was actually disrespectful! (In fucking Opposite Land.)
Oh, and she asked me if my husband was a woman. She really did live in Opposite Land.
I can’t be too snarky, though. That woman obviously had a hellish mental health experience where she was basically coerced into faking multi for some shrink’s ego, and she coped by deciding ALL OF US had been brainwashed by therapists.
Also, I called her Multi Moon Lady just because her weird Opposite Land behavior was very… moonbat-ish, for lack of a better word. It’s very difficult to engage with someone who believes that you’re completely incoherent and speaking complete nonsense, and that they need to “save” you.
@pallygirl
Wait, you’re my sock? I thought I was your sock? I am so confuse…
Ourobosock?
@LBT
I hate to make this comparison, because it’s just the standard thing with to say about [person you disagree with] but it’s like talking to a fundamentalist: They’re in the conversation, but they’re not of the conversation.
LBT,
MML sounds exhausting to talk to. Yikes.
I’m more of a Lamb Chop like sock. 🙂
Well, we’re all David’s socks (or ferrets or cats, or their socks*) so it’s bound to be confusing.
LBT – whoa, I think I remember you mentioning MML before. Strewth, talk about projecting her problems/experiences. D:
… If you didn’t exist, why was she talking to you at all? Was she doing a douchey “Ha! I’m going to catch you pretending!” sort of thing?
*four feet each, that’s a lot of socks
JB on Twitter pretending that the protest was not successful is so bizarre. Even though they lost their venue and had to settle for a less ideal location, she’s acting as if this was all part of some brilliant scheme that is working perfectly.
She’s calling the protesters lazy and acting as if WHTM is somehow doing them a favor by pointing out how deeply, disturbingly misogynistic and out of touch with reality their “movement” is.
She really does think that PR = just lying as much as you can as fast as you can and hoping nobody notices.
RE: Lea
MML sounds exhausting to talk to. Yikes.
She really, really was. It was a good object lesson for me to pick my goddamn battles and not waste air on someone who’s already coming in with some really entrenched ideas about who I am and why I do the things I do.
RE: Kittehs
… If you didn’t exist, why was she talking to you at all? Was she doing a douchey “Ha! I’m going to catch you pretending!” sort of thing?
Sort of? She felt that I was actually the mythical Original Girl (AKA: the Dead Girl) who just THOUGHT she was me, and that if she could just get through to me, I’d realize I was really her.
Which. Uh. Let me put it this way. If resurrecting the dead were that easy, she wouldn’t be dead.
JB, do you realise this is working both ways? That your despicable and really vile misogyny is causing more people to stand up more firmly for women’s rights and against misogyny? Just look what has been going on in the past weeks alone since one of your own went out on a killing spree.
Not so. Shit, even McNamara came out and said the war he designed was wrong.
chuckee cheese (oy vey)
If you believe this tripe from AVfM, I’ve got some swampland to sell you.
I found a stripey sock puppet dragon!
RAWR!
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