So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
Ah, yes – Laura Schlessinger tried that.
woody: As for this whole conference thing- you can smell the panicked fear wafting from the #noMRA hashtag. We’re rising, and they know it.
I admit it, The Zombie Apocalypse is kinda scary.
I wouldn’t know – the hardest drugs I’ve ever done was a course of anti-biotics for a rat bite.
I’m not, as they say, “hardcore“.
I meant that participating in the kind of world and worldview that JB seems to have and willingly want to share with others gives me feelings of immense sadness.
Yeah, it’s definitely not coke then. Coke just makes you poop.
Is anyone else starting to think they’re trying to get kicked out of the VFW so they can martyr themselves?
I’m not sure they’re bright enough to have thought that far ahead.
“you can smell the panicked fear wafting from the #noMRA hashtag”
If you can smell fear from hashtags, it’s time to clean your keyboard. Just saying.
JB is proud to have vice cover the event?
Figures.
From http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/the-guy-who-cofounded-vice-magazine-is-vile-misogynistic-hipster-vermin-.php::
And these are your friends, AVfM.
RE: JB
Would never have had the attention without you!
…ooooookaaaaay. You… have fun with your bad self? I guess?
Vice is not only covering the conference, they are sending a film crew!
I’ll bet they’ll put it up right after that 60 Minutes interview, right?
Nah, Vice really do cover shit this dumb.
…JB, while every comment you’ve made on this site is cringe-worthy levels of embarrassing for you, this one take sthe cake. Because if you take out the gross joking about committing violence (and it’s gross, please don’t do that), it’s parodying YOUR BOSS and YOUR BOSS’s site.
Here’s a little humor 101: what you are trying to do is make a statement that is funny due to its absurdity. In this case, the absurdity comes from the idea that 1) women can steal money from men with impunity and 2) VAWA ignores male victims of violence/states men can’t be victims of DV.
Obviously those ARE absurd statements. We all know that they are absurd statements. But you know who doesn’t? Who honestly seems to think the law ignores male DV victims and women abuse men and steal their money with legal blessing all the time? MRAs.
I mean, really. If you had replaced the violence with “cried at him until he gave me half the money”, it’s a joke a regular commenter here might have made.
So, uh, congrats on accidentally making fun of AVfM and their ilk? Maybe learn how to communicate before doing any more paid PR work. Just a thought.
“It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.”
I really hope you were being sarcastic, Dave. Because if you think you had to go all the way back to Stalin to come up with an example of a propaganda machine that could present massive failure as success and get away with it when we Americans anyhow are right here in a country that, I don’t know, likes to present Vietnam as an example of victory, and Iraq as an example of victory, and who will proceed to pass off Afghanistan as an example of victory, and I could keep going, all the way to the bailout of banks making our economy fit and whole again to Oh look, unemployment is dropping, must be more people have jobs now! to…
I mean really? I know you’re smarter than that. Turning to commie-bashing is part of a pretty grand tradition in our amazing democratic-for-white-people country, sure, but dude. Come on now.
(And Australia and Canada and all the other countries represented here at WHTM, you don’t get a free pass either when it comes to reality distortion.)
Listening to JB is like listening to this:
http://youtu.be/Q9nF82fcryY
Just replace ‘pageant’ with MRM
why is JB joking about scamming and beating people up? You need to help men, support them (not their rape apologia and abuse of course) and not joke about them, don’t you care about them? About women and children!? Isn’t that what the MRM is all about!?
If not than the majority of the MRM is about invading the victim band wagon and pushing the real victims off.
JB, lying isn’t a game and this is not professional behavior.
I get that you are trying to do humor, but no one is trying to smear you with lies and hyperbole. That’s what you’re camp does. That’s why it’s funny when we mock your dishonesty by joking about what manhaters we are or all our wicked plans for hard chairs, sperm jacking and scented candles. When you try to mimic us and fail utterly in your aping, it just comes off as sad and desperate. So does you coming here a all but begging for attention.
If there is something your good at, we’ve yet to see it. Knowing that you are considered to be one of the finest minds in the MRM by your fellow misogynists is nothing short of hilarious. I find myself wishing Kristen Wiig would play you in a skit. Not because you’re witty, but because you’re so absurd it would be difficult to invent a character so bland, dim, dishonest and yet smug and full of herself. In fact, the whole AVfM gang would be Anchorman levels of funny if you weren’t real people.
Were any commenters suggesting we do? You made the point, which I doubt anyone here would disagree with (I agree with it totally), so why the snark?
@LiliFugit
I think the point was that Soviet propaganda had control of their entire media in order to make their points seem reasonable. Western nations don’t seem to have had that ‘luxury’ when trying their own propaganda. I don’t know about America, Canada or Australia, but Britain had a lot of media sending an awful lot of derision at government spin (without having to worry about being arrested for it).
Lili Fugit seems to be unable to read for comprehension:
Given the amount of protesting at the time of the Vietnam War, Iraq wars, etc, the condition “and get away with it, at least to some degree” does not apply.
So the later examples given are irrelevant.
…and if personal experience has taught me anything, it will sting.
I admit it, I’m a sock of Athywren so I award Athywren another +1 internets for the comment above.
I’m kinda bemused by this. I feel like when JB is talking to us, she’s not really talking TO US so much as some imaginary people she thinks we are.
It’s… honestly kind of strange. I’m not even angry, I’m just CONFUSED.
LBT, I feel that way about arguing with the MRA Trollbrigade on the local news sites.
LBT, that’s it exactly.
@ LBT – I know. It was like someone trying to do an ‘edgy’ comedy routine to an empty room.
She’s always like this, though. I know we don’t internet diagnose from a DSM perspective, but I will be astonished if she doesn’t turn out to have some sort of substance abuse issues going on. The only other people I’ve ever seen act like this have been up to their eyeballs on some sort of recreational chemicals.