So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
That was in reference to faint praise’s comment. I should get out of my bad habit of not addressing my comments; threads move too fast for me to get away with it.
Mickey: David, the talk on your site yesterday was that the conference was over – the broken-down car was a memorable image – but hey, it’s not. The talk was of Elam and others stealing the $25,000 security money. Will feminists now be SO stupid as to try and stop (or at least disrupt) a conference on men’s issues held at a ‘Veterans of Foreign Wars’ facility? Yeah, probably. We hope so. The graveyard opposite will make a great backdrop for photos of demonstrators.
What… the MRM gets to trade on my rep (I’m a member of the VFW… and the only way to join that club is, you guessed it, to be veteran of a foriegn war).
That, actually, make the MRM look worse. Evil ideas don’t stop being evil because they have a backdrop which is respectable. If they deserve to protested, then protest will happen, and that the people being protested were cowardly enough to choose a venue where they can steal respectability is their problem.
As to your challenge… it’s claptrap. You are asking him to 1: write something to your agenda, 2: accept that your materials are of merit, 3: grant you credibility you don’t deserve. 4: provide publicity for your puerile ponderings.
If you want advertising, pay for it.
I hate the feminists who desecrate his memory
Sod off, tosser. Tell me (here, and now: I’m not going to your blog) how feminists “desecrate” his memory. Better yet, tell me how they “desecrate” his service. Be advsised, I don’t think his service (nor mine; which included an exchange tour with the 3 MI (V) Brigade) was in any way sacred. It was fun, horrid, wonderful, educational, wretched, depressing, uplifting, disgusting, and practically indescribable. As another vet (WW2) said, “it was a million dollar experience you wouldn’t pay a nickel for”.
But it was a job. A dangerous job. A job for which there is a sad necessity, and to which we are often sent absent the need being paramount. But it’s not a religious function. There is nothing sacred about killing people.
Athywren:
Don’t get me wrong, I have my doubts that 300 people would be willing to spend $250 on an MRM conference (especially when you consider the truefact that they’re all so oppressed that they’re spending more than they earn in child support) but I’m not sure that the difference between the Doubletree’s largest room and this VFW place is necessarily relevant. Unless we know that it’s this largest room that they had booked? In which case, fair point.
Wait… $250 to attend?
That’s the sort of rate one sees for things which are “professional” conventions, things which one gets one’s company to pay for. LonCon is charging £125/$205US for a five-day membership, with programming tracks, a symphony, an art show, a dealers’ room, a music track (which is probably running 24/7), the Hugo Award ceremony, a masquerade, etc.
Also, if they have enough people, in advance, to know they need a room larger than 300 persons at $250 a pop, then they ought to have had $75,000 cash in hand. Even assuming they needed to pay for some of the guests they are having (when I’ve been a paid speaker my travel costs were covered, as well as my honoraria) that means they ought to have had $25,000 left.
Granting that event space is expensive, they don’t seem to need that much (esp. because the biggest room wasn’t booked, or was unavailable; that or they needed so much space it wasn’t practical, in which case they had more than $75,000 cash on hand).
So they are lying about the projected attendance, or they are criminally inept with money.
It’s so true. I haven’t been able to aggravate you simpletons into providing media coverage at all. And I haven’t been able to plant any incendiary tweets that garnered coverage either.
I has a sad.
Lol!
Blogs are not really media coverage, dimwit. Have you considered a name change from “judgy” to “dumb?’
JB: so naive that she thinks that any coverage is good coverage. Oh, you are such a PR master.
Judgy thinks that people laughing at her on a blog is media coverage?
David, just a quick note — a few times I’ve seen you refer to Esmay’s recent TV appearance as being on “Fox News,” which isn’t true. It was on a news show on a local Fox affiliate, one with muuuuuch less audience reach than the international cable news network Fox News. They have nothing to do with each other. I just don’t want you to legitimize these dudes at all by mistake.
hellkell says
i did explain the MRA phenomena recently to my husband and brother who both joined the army directly out of high school in ’92. husband served at the DMZ, bro was sent to somalia, so no lack of bravery there. their level of disgust and derision for whiny man-babies was palpable.
JB is just trying to catch up with typhoid in the “biggest crank femra” contest
she knows she cant catch up to GirlGishGallops ability to produce TL;DR.
hey, Auntie 🙂
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity-except-your-own-obituary-brendan-behan-14826.jpg
JB can’t even sarcasm.
@pecunium
To be fair, this may be a skeptic fail on my part. I got $250 from white knight’s comment on yesterday’s post:
I don’t know the veracity of that number or where it came from. Possibly an official ticket price, possibly a guess, I’m not sure.
Oh LOL, you really are that naive.
RE: pecunium
Wait… $250 to attend? That’s the sort of rate one sees for things which are “professional” conventions, things which one gets one’s company to pay for.
I KNOW RIGHT? I’ve been biting my tongue over multi cons which are about $150 for a weekend, and that’s because it’s a very specific diagnosis with very specific things going on. (And a lot of panels on how to keep yourself from committing suicide DURING the damn con.) What the hell are these guys doing?
RE: cassandrakitty
Judgy thinks that people laughing at her on a blog is media coverage?
Don’t you know, even the slightest clicking = $$$? Seriously, you Mammoths have given me a bajillion dollars just by taking part in my writeathon!
Judgybitch: There is bad publicity. Like when the SPLC declares you hate group. Dean on Faux News. You know, every time you no-talent assclowns show yourselves.
Ahhh, the old, “this was my plan all along!”That means no matter how little coverage there is one can trump it up and take credit for facilitating the entire thing. My little nephew does that.
I live in Metro-Detroit. Were I not involved here online I’d never know this was happening, LOL.
Bless your damn heart, JB. 😉
You folks are just lazy. Aggregate new sources have picked up the story, and we were on FoxNews, but FoxNews sucks. Get working, minions! I called them WAYNE STATE CUNTS!
I mean, theoretically, I called them Wayne State Cunts.
🙂
“I has a sad” Really? Are you the spoke person for Bratty Teenage Anonymous or did you actually give up on lending any kind of respectability to this conference? The local 4-H kids could teach you a few lessons in professionalism. Goshh…I would not hire you as a summer student.
@pecunium
Checked it now; $259.00
It doesn’t specify the price on the page advertising the conference, but it shows up through the paypal link at the bottom of the post… for obvious reasons.
*rubs face* Judgy, if that were really true, I wouldn’t be selling my writeathon here legitimately. I would just be screaming abuse at everyone and then waiting for them to blog about what an asshole I am.
Seriously, if that were true, why would ANYBODY be decent?
RE: Colette
I live in Metro-Detroit. Were I not involved here online I’d never know this was happening, LOL.
I can’t imagine how you would. These guys are moving the con around at the last minute and apparently doing a bang-up job of keeping folks aware. Seriously, even if you ignore the ideology, their con management skills are APPALLING. I’ve seen punk anarchists run a better circus!
Wait, does she think we’re retweeting this shit? LOL.
JB: You are so edgy. Really.
It must burn your ass that a group that’s smarter than you’ll ever be won’t do shit for you. Is that why you hang out at AVfM? So you can pretend you’re the smartest girl in the room?
AGGREGATE SOURCES EVERYONE!