So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
https://twitter.com/BhasChat/status/476907717194702848
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
For this occasion, one wears one’s longest tie.
@emilygoddess
You know what’s really courageous? Defeating the Blockquote Monster. Oh, the trials and tribulations of Borked HTML Land…
marinerachel,
I just pictured a bunch of people standing around dressed like Hunter S. Thompson.
emilygoddess, *click* The light went on, finally.
Attila sure is full of himself. “Do you have a clue what I do and who I am?” I was biting my tongue to avoid saying, “You’re the asshat who sues anyone who looks at you the wrong way, posted a video of yourself scaring the shit out of your son as you taunted a trucker in your vehicle on the highway, and splashed pictures of your son all over the internet.”
Lol.
The worst part is that, with a few exceptions, if your tie is long, it’s because you tied it wrong.
MRAs: you’re doing it wrong, now with extra starch!
I…. yeah, ‘Nam vets in particular are Hunter S. Thompson. That’s exactly what they look like. Where’s his hat tho? Because they wear that too.
And what the hell is JB talking about?
Based on her last couple of appearances here, I think she seriously believes that all feminists, and all women who aren’t JB, are part of a vast secret man-hating communications network that’s constantly plotting against the website where she hangs out.
If she can just trick us into alerting the lady network in her presence, she’ll finally have proof of the conspiracy! Alternately, maybe she can get us to use its dark power to harass people for her, since she’s too cowardly to do anything herself but call women names on Twitter.
So, my maternal grandfather was a POW in a Gulag in Siberia from 16 to 21. He immigrated to Canada shortly thereafter and produced two daughters. One’s a feminist hospital administrator. The other’s a feminist OB/GYN.
Doesn’t JB know that to call the female feminists, you need to do the bat-signal with a kitty sign? And for the male feminists, it’s the same call but using a poodle?
Watching these folks implode is, admittedly, quite satisfying.
No, silly. The Feminists did!
No, I think our Furrinati masters would approve 🙂
(My icon is a male cat as well. He’s just not cat-shaped at the moment)
Are they women or camo poodles?
Is this one of those found-object poems?
That’s rich, coming from you.
John Scalzi’s recipe for schadenfreude pie
Probably Sparta. Spartan kids (or boys, at least) left their families at a pretty young age to go live in what was basically a military training school. And they tended to value physical strength in their wives, since they thought it would mean stronger kids.
Eh?
Tips on making your threats more threatening:
1) Don’t finish with a smiley face. In real life, smiling while deliverng a threat can add a layer of terror, but online it just looks like you’re not serious.
2) Do identify who you are speaking for, and who you’re speaking to. In a crowded message board with commenters on all sides of an issue, one might easily be mistaken as a representative of the wrong side. Oops!
Because for whatever stupid reason, poodles are coded feminine. When was the last time you saw a male poodle in a kid’s movie? They’re always prissy, shallow females in fiction – pretty much the woman MRAs think we all are.
Pugilism?
Calling her a lapdog certainly winds her up.
Buchanan’s belief that only men can be veterans is not only stupid but actively insulting to the women who served (like my late mother in law) during the war, but to the women who helped bring the war to an end. Like the women who were in the Special Operations Executive, carrying out dangerous and often fatal espionage missions in occupied territory. Like the George Cross winner Violet Zbabo who was captured, tortured an executed. Like Nancy Wake.
There were the women code breakers at Bletchley Park.
Women were also conscripted, just like men, during the war. There were up to 65,000 women *in* the military during the war. Over 700 of them were killed during their service.
And there were the women working in the essential support services like factories and hospitals, who had to live and work through the Battle of Britain like everyone else.
Buchanan, you’re a leech and waste of skin. How dare you co-opt women for your shabby ends.
[HI everyone, I’m Ann. Proud feminist. Been lurking for years.]
Oh, yeah, of course, I understand that, I just don’t understand why it’s supposed to be insulting. If they think I’m feminine, so what? A pretty significant number of my favourite people are feminine, and I don’t see why I’d be ashamed or embarrassed to share attributes with any of my favourite people. I suppose I could see being annoyed by being accused of prissiness and shallowness, but I know both accusations are laughable. So… I still don’t understand why it’s an insult. I understand why they believe it is, I just don’t understand why they imagine that anyone rational would be insulted by it.
oh, and conveniently, a wonderful woman I follow just posted this to twitter:
Debunking the Men’s Rights Movement
This is the feminist poodle training video:
Terrifying.
She has assured me that this is an actual quote.
No she didn’t. She suggested she planted it, the opposite of it being an actual quote. It’s gross enough that she attributed it to the manager at all, no need to stretch it.
Hi, Ann!
*waves*
hi lea 🙂
I think they see poodle as being an insult because they hate what the real poodle is really about: beauty and grace can go with strength, loyalty and intelligence. I am a professed dog nut and the three top breeds for intelligence and versatility are border collie, poodle and german shepherd. Poodles were often used in circus performances. Like BC, they are the kind of dogs which makes the trainer look competent because they learn very fast. I got a BC and a GDS, and would not mind getting a poodle one of these days.
I have trouble understanding what JB is saying. My poodle obviously ain’t purple enough, since apparently I’m supposed to understand and be utterly submissive to all women ever.
RE: Anenome
Amid the hullaballoo, what isn’t getting discussed is how astoundingly unambitious this bizarre get together is… No plans to do anything other than talk.
I know, right? I mean, I’ve been at some pretty tiny cons over the years (they’re what I can afford) but seriously, ALL of them had more to them than this. The freaking ZINE CON I went to last month, run by anarchists (AKA the cheapest people on earth) in one room of a library had more to it than this, and it was FREE!
RE: Mike Buchanan
So what if it’s 18 miles from the original venue? You think that’s going to matter to anyone attending?
Dude, I’d be PISSED if a con I was tabling at moved eighteen miles. I have to use buses and trains to get place to place, you think I can WALK that eighteen miles with a box of merch on my back? Please. Also, you can call me a male poodle all you want, it still won’t sound any more credible.
RE: titianblue
If Mikey B wants a piece of fiction written, he should pay LBT
😀 Funny you should mention that, guys. There’s a lot of free money that you guys can vote on! Come join the fun!
RE: Argenti
Thanks for doing the pronoun rundown! Since it’s just me (Rogan) posting here generally, you can just use ‘he’ for me or ‘they’ for all of us. Also, Sneak is totally okay with waiting on the cactus, since zie got katz’s mint in the mail. (It… uh. Got mulched.)
Um, I’m apparently in moderation for some reason? And I don’t know why? But anyway, someone mentioned my writeathon, so if Unimaginative shows up, I have their alt-history story!
Also, due to lots of bonuses and free money, there’s a poll ongoing to see which stories get posted next. Come join the fun!
If the VFW should decide to cancel the conference, JB will make the perfect scapegoat.
Welcome, Ann!
Time to bring back the SARCASM sign?