Woah! Just wanted to pass along this news from the Motor City Muckraker:
A controversial conference for a men’s rights group in Detroit appears to be in jeopardy after a fallout with downtown’s Hilton DoubleTree, which planned to host the event from June 26-28.
The inaugural conference at the DoubleTree has been canceled for unknown reasons, and organizers of the first International Conference on Men’s Issues haven’t said yet whether it will be moved to another hotel and conference center.
“At this time, they are not booked with us,” Larry Brown, manager of the DoubleTree, said this morning. He declined to elaborate on the cancelation.
There’s nothing on A Voice for Men about this latest development, though Esmay hinted during his Fox News appearance that they were possibly going to reconsider the Doubletree. But as of right now, AVFM is still selling tickets, as if the Doubletree convention is still a going concern.
Are they going to try to book the convention elsewhere? Or are they going to take the $29,000 they raised for “security” and, I dunno, send Esmay to a better stylist?
One other, ah, interesting detail in the Motor City Muckraker story:
When asked Tuesday whether the event would be moved, an organizer responded: “The DoubleTree GM (general manager) actually said that he has ‘feminist phobia’ and sort of laughed but in a nervous way. So its being discussed.”
It’s questionable whether this conversation ever occurred because the general manager is a woman.
Yeah. Seems like a lot of things about this convention have been pretty questionable from the start.
UPDATE: Well, one thing’s a bit clearer now, though. I called the Detroit Police and they confirmed that the Doubletree did indeed report to them that it had received threats. Who sent them, we still don’t know, but I think we can all agree that whether the threats came from some misguided feminist or “progressive” or from an MRA trying to stir shit and make feminists look bad, whoever made the threatening calls is a shithead who deserves to face the legal consequences for what they did.
UPDATE 2: According to the Detroit News, Elam says they’ve got another venue:
“We have scheduled another venue and will make an announcement on the site this evening,” group founder Paul Elam said in an email Wednesday.
So far no announcement on AVFM; I’ll post about it when there is one.
So Mikey, let me get this straight, the inevitable victory of the MRM is just that, but persons unknown can derail a conference; even after your guys raised 29,000USD for the required additional security we were told was needed because persons unknown called in threats.
YOU WILL NEVER DEFEAT THE MHRM, EVEN AT THIS STAGE. Looks like someone defeated you at this stage.
It is sort of clever though – hold a position you KNOW you’ll be praised for within the circle you run in and, by belonging to the group you slander, get to claim superiority – “Oh, I’m not like THOSE OTHER girls”, which you get extra points for.
There seems to be a strong thread of machismo to it, especially with the Honey Badgers. They’re enormously proud of their ability to take crap from the crappiest men on the planet, and they look down on other women for not being “tough” enough to stand around and get crap flung at them all day. The idea that most people don’t want to go around covered in crap, and are off leading happy non-crap-covered lives, confuses and angers them.
Haven’t I?
I am so sorry. I really thought I had.
You’re a lying liar who lies.
Badly.
and often.
Maybe no one else has because in order to lie, one has to actually know what the truth is and purposefully distort it. I can see why people would give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you don’t know enough about anything to lie about it. You’re a very simple person. But don’t worry. I don’t see you that way at all. Simple as you are, I think you know exactly how untrue every one of your claims are and are lying out of the pant pissing fear that you might one day get caught doing the things you accuse women of lying about. I think you perpetrate abuse and distrust toward women knowingly, just like Paul Elam.
Either way, you’re spreading misinformation. Whether you are ignorant or just an nasty little coward, you haven’t written a true statement yet.
Except your name. You’re so proud of your bigoted horseshit that you post under your real name. I’ll give you that.
YOU WILL NEVER DEFEAT THE MHRM, EVEN AT THIS STAGE.
What is it with misogynists and talking like Captain Planet villains? You never see feminists going BWA HA HA COWER WRETCHES, YOUR PUNY WEAPONS ARE USELESS AGAINST OUR SCIENCE LEGOS AND DIVA CUPS. Even though that would be an awesome thing to say.
Has any supposedly feminist organization or group or person ever issued a threat to a hotel or any other public accommodation? I would doubt it, but if anyone has done that, it would be good to know. But I think — no, I’m sure — the MRA would be perfectly capable of such an act, to scuttle something that wasn’t working and lay the blame on feminists.
*falls out*
You will now!
Muhahahaha!
Honey badgers are a sad case of eating shit. They eat the shit of the people whose validation they seek, which they then shit themselves and eat. They’re so accustomed to it that they can’t comprehend one does not have to eat shit. When other women refuse to eat shit they think those women are making demands, unable to wrap their heads around the fact the default position for the species is not poop-eating. The notion women can exist without eating shit makes them very cranky. They don’t want to admit that they too could have spent their lives not eating shit.
Poddle is a great class. It’s all supporting, manipulating and exciting weaponized fur fashion.
“You never see feminists going BWA HA HA COWER WRETCHES, YOUR PUNY WEAPONS ARE USELESS AGAINST OUR SCIENCE LEGOS AND DIVA CUPS.”
Saying that might work better than just ignoring some moron’s 8th grade dropout writing. People think a woman is never supposed to get angry, only annoyed — which is immediately called “bitchy” and dismissed. I think it is better to be genuinely angry at the nastiest comments.
We will pelt all you stupid menz with our science girl legos from upon our menstrual high horse AND ACHIEVE VICTORY!!!
YOUR DAY WILL COME MENFOLK!!!
marinerachel,
I got it. It made sense.
I was a female misogynist when I was younger. I don’t think there is a word that is fit to describe how turned around I was in my thinking, but I knew people who thought it made me cool. I understand exactly how they internalized misogyny and how desperately they want to disassociate from other women, especially women with backgrounds of abuse. It’s a way to feel safe. It’s a way to tell yourself that you have worth. It’s a way of not seeing just how big of a problem people hating you for who you are is. It’s a coping mechanism and it upholds the status quo that you’ve been trained to uphold at your own determent. It’s how you end up with Herman Cain and Log Cabin Republicans. It isn’t a smart move. They aren’t doing it on purpose. They really think they’re special, smarter and safe from bigots. They aren’t. They think they are respected and that these men see them as peers. They don’t. They’re props and the day they stop letting themselves be used as props, Shai Hulud will turn on them with a quickness.
Is there a reason you guys keep talking to the trolls, especially the ones that flounce? I can think of many more fun things to do, starting with seeing how far I can drive a bamboo skewer under my large toenail.
^THIS!
Hey everyone, long time lurker and one previous time poster. I have an offtopic question.
How do you people deal with youtube comments, especially under any video that deal with feminism? I was just watching a video of “The Young Turks” called “College Students Show Why Feminism Is Necessary, Even In 2014”. The video was okay, but goddamn the comments… Goddamn.
-The “feminism is female supremacist, fuck feminism, let’s be humanist” argument.
-“maybe they call you bossy and bitchy because you are!!!” line in response to someone in the video claiming she needs feminism because she shouldn’t be called those words when she tries to take the lead.
-“cat calling is a compliment but women take it too seriously.” line
-“a key that can open any lock is a great key, a lock that is opened by any key is just a shitty lock” line to proclaim that studs are great but sluts are bad.
Dammit. After fighting and arguing against so many antifeminist points in thebluepill and pruplepilldebate subreddits and actually having data-thanks to HookingUpSmart blog- to prove the last one completely wrong(heterosexual men and women pretty much have the same rates of having and not having intercourse, partnership etc.), I am seeing that nothing is changing and maybe it will never change.
These lameass and unfounded ideas seem to be taking hold if Youtube comments are any signal of general people behaviour. Look at the support the dumbass thunderf00t is getting as an “intellectual”. There are people that actually think that his critiques of feminism is somehow intelligent, rather than the regurgitation of the same-old bulshit. Even in a lot of news’ comment sections these thought processes seem to be taking hold. Honestly, seeing someone making sense and not drowning in idiocy is like a rare fresh breath of air.
This has really depressed me, to be completely honest. How do you folks deal with it? David, how do you deal with people making the same MRA arguments that have been refuted completely?
Sorry for the long post, this really affected me a bit lol.
Oh, oh, oh – what do you guys (gynes?) think about THROWING DIRTY TAMPONS AT MEN? It wouldn’t be oppression, per se – we’d accomplish that systemically – but a little slap-stick in order to add insult to injury can only be a good thing.
Wow. Can I be purple poodle, even though I’m a woman? Is it something only a “mangina” male feminist ally can be?
Mostly I just want the weaponized fur fashion.
As long as its faux fur.
OUR KITTIES WILL POOP ON YOUR TIRED CLICHES AND LIES!
Now pardon me while I light some scented fucking candles. The feline just made a really big smell.
Nequam,
…and yet, here you are…
All out of bamboo skewers?
Maybe you mean it and this mystifies you. Maybe not.
I’ve seen fundamentalist religionists and sexists say the same thing to progressive atheist bloggers. “Why don’t you get out and enjoy yourself! Why do you have to keep pointing out lies and bigotry! Why can’t you pretend they don’t exist? What’s wrong with you that you enjoy pointing out bad ideas and bad actions?”
I don’t know how the internet works where you are, but I can leave mine home or take it with me. I can do things in and around the house and still come back and comment. So far today I’ve taken the kids to the pool and gotten all manner of little puttering things done. I suppose I could do something other than mock misogynist scum in my spare time, but this is awfully fun. You are welcome to not feed the trolls if that’s your preference. Sometimes, I ignore them too. Sometimes I have to take breaks from the internet entirely because it can be triggering and I don’t need to see every toxic, awful thing ever written by an idiot online. For my own health, I have to take breaks.
Sometimes I like to watch them eat til they pop like ticks under a match.
That’s what they get for making the wider world something I need to take breaks from.
You don’t deal with YouTube comments. I actively avoid looking at them by modifying the size of my browser window. If I see them I will be upset, inclined to engage, which I will do because I’m fucking impulsive, and a cycle of self-flagellation will ensue and nothing will be accomplished. I can’t win with YouTube comments so I remember the wisdom of the great Oatmeal and “Nope!”
I actually do the exact same thing every time a school shooting occurs. I either “Nope” or “I just can’t” and stick my head in the sand before any of the stupid reaches my brain. I don’t know how to engage effectively and always come out of the discussions feeling like complete shit so I just don’t.
It’s not productive. It enables the status quo to persist. I don’t know what else to do though. Who’s got a better way of dealing with stupid (almost all) YouTube comments?
Perhaps you could demonstrate that this is actually the case? I have to agree that we have no reason to pressure any hotel to cancel your silly conferences – recent history has shown that sunlight is toxic to your cause, and that, even when rallies are held, almost nobody bothers to show up. Why would we give a flying fuck?
Unless you have more evidence for “radfems” pressuring the Detroit Hilton to cancel your screaming match (I.e. any evidence at all.) than FTSU Elam claiming it to be so, why are you parading it around as if it were a fact?
We feed ’em till they burst around here. They seem to like the attention and we get a chew toy. You’re free to stick bamboo under your nails.
Just wondering about the alleged $29K of donations via PayPal for the allegedly required extra security due to the alleged death threats.
Unlike using a dedicated crowdfunding site which shows the donations total as the funds accumulate, PayPal only shows an account balance to the account holder, right? So nobody else has any independent proof of how much money was/n’t donated to Elam via PayPal? Or am I missing something?
@marinerachel It does seem to be the best option, but I don’t know. As someone who was a redpiller a year and a half ago, the thought of these guys having a more dominant place in society makes me queasy. And just ignoring the comments and letting them fester seems very irresponsible. On the other hand, I’ve never seen anybody change their minds in a Youtube comment discussion, so there’s that.
Oh dear. How did you change?
/sigh so according to Mikey, the only actual victims are male victims, female victims are just attention-seeking annoyances out to get men.
Yep, that’s a true equality movement right there.