Oh, Reddit! Need another reminder that on Reddit, whiny lady-hating man-babies can be found outside the Men’s Rights and Red Pill subreddits? Take a look at this lovely comment from occasional Red Pill commenter purple4th in Change My Views, which (the last I checked) had garnered nearly 150 net upvotes from the crowd there. Here’s the money quote:
[S]ocietal laws are so filled with misandry that in 99% of societal contexts such as going to office, going to the supermarket, going to the movies, etc;, it is men who have to be continually afraid of women.
That’s right, fellas. Women who worry about men harming them are all a bunch of big sillies. It’s MEN who should be worried Oh, sure those gals may look innocent, but don’t let your guard down for a minute lest one of them misander you with a false accusation of being too much of a dude! con
Purple4th continues:
As my investment banks’ Sexual Harassment presentation says, “It is harassment if she says so”. Period.
Really? I decided to look online to see if I could find any Sexual Harassment literature making that argument. A search for “It is harassment if she says so” in quotes returns only one hit on Google: Purple4th’s comment on Reddit.
In fact, the legal standard for sexual harassment — in the US at least — is not “whatever the hell a random woman wants to call harassment.” It’s whether or not a “reasonable person” would see the behavior as harassment.
But that’s how it works in the real world. MRAs and the MRA-adjacent don’t live in the real world.
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Thanks, AMRthroaway on Reddit for pointing me to this lovely quote.
99%, eh?! A bold statement, but I’m sure the boys have plenty of “evidence” [anecdotes with varying degrees of veracity/plausibility].
I just rolled my eyes so hard I think i may have damaged an optic nerve.
Lolz. Too hilarious. Reading their bizarre rantings, a lot of them seem to be upset by the allegedly unfounded “rape hysteria” of women. I suppose this follows logically in their minds, if we’re all out there hysterically fearing rape all the time, who knows what innocent man will be accused! Just for “finding a woman attractive”! You never know when it could happen to you! What do we call this, rape hysteria-hysteria? Rape accusation hysteria?
The human male must have seen of you extend her ovipositors and fill the other human male’s husk with eggs. What do we have to keep telling you about releasing your ink sac’s contents first so the others won’t see you hunt! Kindly inform the culprit that she is to report to Hive Central *immediately* for debriefing and an official reprimand!
Damage to optic nerves kind of comes with the territory around here. Be sure to limber up your eyeballs before reading!
“It is harassment if she says so” has some (selective) truth to it. One of the definitions of sexual harassment in the workplace is unwanted romantic/sexual attention. In other words, if you hit on your co-worker, and zie’s into it, it is not sexual harassment. If you hit on your co-worker and zie asks you to stop, that (usually) is not sexual harassment–unless you continue hitting on her. Continued unwanted sexual/romantic attention is sexual harassment.
It’s not gendered. If a woman hits on her male co-worker, and the attention is unwanted, and it continues, that’s sexual harassment. “It is harassment if he says so” too.
Where I work, the proportion of men and women filing sexual harassment complaints is nearing parity, but the total numbers have been going down steadily after years of sexual harassment education run by a staunch feminist. She runs a really great workshop, that actually made learning about sexual harassment fun as well as educational.
@Andrea Harris:
Thank you for that illuminating post. You answered my question before I asked it – what the fuck do men have to be so afraid of? Now I know that my prior biology classes were sadly lacking. If you could be so kind as to share, where will I find my ovipositor, anyway?
SHOPPING LIST
1. Canteloupe
2. Light bulbs
3. Greek yogurt
4. Clamato
5. Unwitting male victim
6. Attorney on speed-dial
7. Gum
The only thing I am shocked by on Buttercup’s shopping list is the clamato. XD
🙂 I was thinking that the yoghurt was a dead giveaway for misandrist intentions.
Also, you need to add bon bons, scented fucking candles, and flavored water to that list if you want to be considered a real feminist.
p.s. Someone just posted this Tom Tomorrow cartoon on r/amr.
They can go fuck themselves. I just got done with a very upsetting argument with former “friends” about sexual harassment, and so seeing this now is making me even more upset. Why are so many men dismissive of sexual harassment? This is not only upsetting, but also hurtful. They don’t care about women at all, and somehow that’s no big deal to them.
I’m sorry for spewing the obvious. I was kind of half-venting there.
Hey! Clamato’s delicious! (And misandric, especially if bearded.)
You know, if MRAs wanted to quake with fear inside their houses and stay far, far away from women, I’d be OK with that. I really can’t fathom being so clueless and at sea when it comes to basic human conduct that they’re afraid of triggering lawsuits left and right every time they inhabit the same airspace as a woman.
Or is this one of those “all women secretly desire me” fantasies?
This reminds me of a long, ranty post by an MRA who claimed he always wears sunglasses when out, lest a woman be offended by his gaze. Oh, and he no longer approaches women, weaving well out of the way of them, in case they get snippy and ‘falsely accuse him of rape’.
Unfortunately, “reasonable person” is generally interpreted as “reasonable man”. Very different if “reasonable person” is interpreted as “reasonable woman”. Of course, MRA’s would foam at this.
Here is a great read: A Law of Her Own: The Reasonable Woman as a Measure of Man
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/law-of-her-own-caroline-forell/1100624374?ean=9780814729076
There was a troll a while back who (allegedly) didn’t want to ride alone with a woman in an elevator. He was afraid she would rip her blouse and run out screaming ‘rape!’.
It was pretty amusing, to me at least.
I got 99% of the problems and a bitch is every one.
Isn’t it MORE creepy if the dude’s wearing sunglasses? That just sounds horrifying. Why not just not glare at women on the street?
If it’s night, it might just be amusing as he runs into telephone poles, fire hydrants, etc.
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his paranoia level!?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-czGHAMTB4RU/UPI_vKmkmZI/AAAAAAAAAPA/3uROnsUNdX4/s1600/9000.jpg
Wow! Do you know who only has this level of paranoia? Rapists, abusers and harassers.
Sarah
“I just rolled my eyes so hard I think i may have damaged an optic nerve.”
I rolled my eyes so hard that I can see my brain
Toolbox and brooked
I can’t entirely remember but I saw this man with a poster on the internet and it says something about being scared about women will see him as a rapist because his hair is shaved weird.
http://www.troll.me/2011/08/17/futurama-fry/cant-tell-if-youre-trolling-or-actually-serious/
Aw, katz you just gave me a Corey Hart earworm.
Actually the lyrics are pretty creepy and apropos…
Also, the harasser will try to minimize it (“I wasn’t harassing her, I was just…”), so yeah, whether the victim feels harassed is more important than whether the perpetrator is willing to admit it was harassment.
Redditors do NOT agree. Get your facts straight. You are taking the statements from ONE group out of TENS OF THOUSANDS and claiming they represent the entire spectrum of a single site.