Is A Voice for Men using phony “death threats” allegedly directed at those planning to attend its upcoming “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, as well as upon employees and guests of the hotel where it’s scheduled to be held, as an excuse to smear feminists and raise a quick $25,000 in donations from readers and possibly even from a handful of gullible feminists?
As incredible as that sounds, that’s what some people I respect are saying. Despite AVFM’s history of lying about alleged feminist threats – you may recall John Hembling’s infamous confrontation with an imaginary mob of 20-30 feminists brandishing boxcutters – I’m not willing to go that far.
But there’s a lot about the story that makes no sense, and some big questions that need convincing answers.
1) The Doubletree Fort Shelby hotel has not confirmed that the letter Paul Elam posted on his site several days ago, and which he has now removed, actually came from them. The letter is, so far, the only evidence that there were any threats.
Hotel management needs to confirm whether or not they sent this letter to Elam.
2) Both the Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press spoke to Detroit Police spokesman Adam Madera, who told them that the police had not received any reports of death threats from the hotel. He told both papers that hotel staff had asked about hiring off-duty officers for security but hadn’t specified why.
Hotel management needs to confirm either that 1) they got death threats and didn’t report them or 2) that they got no such threats. They should also confirm whether their calls about off-duty police officers were related to the “Men’s Issues” conference.
There are a few other clues that support the “hoax” theory, though they’re far from definitive:
Several people who have allegedly contacted the hotel to ask about the threat say that the managers they spoke to knew nothing about the threats. Even if these reports are true, this may not be significant; managers may not have been told about threats related to a conference many weeks off.
The Detroit News also spoke to the owner of the hotel, and he said he was unaware of any threats. That may not be significant either; he may simply be out of the loop.
Essentially, we’re waiting for the Doubletree Fort Shelby management to answer these questions. If you look at the news coverage so far you’ll notice that the hotel staffers who can answer these questions don’t seem to be answering their phones or returning calls. I left a message for them today as well. No reply yet.
The other bits of evidence we’re waiting for? Well, the letter Elam claims he got from hotel management says that he and the other conference organizers need to send the hotel proof that they’ve hired the required number of Detroit police officers to handle security, as well as proof that they have also paid for at least $2 million in liability insurance. They have to have this done by the 6th.
In light of all the questions still swirling around, I think people are going to want to see this proof too.
It may be that the hotel comes forward and confirms that the letter was real, that the threats were real, and that indeed A Voice for Men does have to shell out $25,000 for extra security. It may even be the case that it was a feminist or a group of feminists making the threats. But we don’t know. And right now the people who do know are either not talking — or they have pretty much no credibility. Let’s hope the silence ends soon, because there’s no way the not-so-good folks at AVFM are suddenly going to turn credible overnight.
EDIT: I toned down some of the language, which I think was detracting from my main points, and added a new final paragraph.
EDIT 2: Removed some speculation. We’ll know some of the answers soon enough; no need to speculate.
UPDATE: DOUBLETREE STATEMENT
So I’ve heard back from Atiya Frederick, the PR Manager for Embassy Suites Hotels & DoubleTree, and she’s made clear that the hotel won’t be answering specific questions about any of this just yet. Here’s what she sent me.
At this time we are confining our comments on this matter to the below statement …
Hilton Worldwide strives to operate meeting places for people from all walks of life, regardless of beliefs, race, color, national origin, religion or sexual orientation. The views of our guests do not reflect the sentiment of Hilton Worldwide. As places of public accommodation, our hotels do not discriminate against any individual or group. Our goal is to provide quality accommodations and a pleasant environment for our guests, employees and members of our community . We would like to emphasize that we strive to be an inclusive company and regret if this policy has unintentionally offended any individual or organization.
This statement seems to be their standard response when they host a conference by a controversial group.
The problem with Anand’s pretense of neutrality is that, even if it weren’t a sophomoric attempt to look cool, he’d still be positioning himself as neutral on the question of whether or not women are human, and that’s morally indefensible.
I need some hot men:
Lee Min Ho
Chaz Bono
Ugh, it took me most of my 1/2 hr break to find those two, because the computers at work are from the stone age. So just google “Chris Hemsworth” and “Vin Diesel” and pretend I posted them.
Dammit, I wish I could remember the name if the actor a friend used to write about years ago – he was Thai, I think, but she mostly referred to him by his initials, TK or TJ. He’d be fortyish now, maybe older. Beautiful man.
Akk, not Thai at all, try Taiwanese-Japanese parents! He’s Takeshi Kaneshiro.
Danny Pudi, the cute guy from Community: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Pudi
Misha Collins: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0172557/
Jason Momoa: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0597388/
Yun-Fat Chow: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000334/
My biggest gay man crush: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0057882/
My second biggest gay man crush: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0272479/
Sorry, didn’t mean to erase the names of the gay men, they’re John Barrowman and Jesse Tyler Fergusson.
A list of hot men wouldn’t be complete without George Clooney, of course.
I read this on a forum here and LOL’d. It’s science, I tell ya!
Lots and lots of beautiful men on that page, btw.
Speaking of attractive square jawed men…
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2200000/Aragorn-screencaps-viggo-mortensen-2257049-960-404.jpg
Mathieu Kassovitz Today, I learned that he was in Fifth Element… which is both confusing and pretty cool. I’ve seen him try to rob Bruce Willis countless times, and never noticed it was him.
Jason Carter.
A cute kitty-cat!
WTF. Looks like it came straight from The Journal of Irreproducible Results or was from a Christmas issue of the BMJ which publishes articles like http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f7255
Out of all the unrealistic things in the Bond universe, alcohol consumption is not the one that stands out the most!
Is that for real or is it like The Onion of medical journals?
Oh golly, Viggo Mortensen — such a great Danish name. My mother grew up with dudes named Viggo and Vigge. He is a handsome fella.
That is a prestigious medical journal, but their Christmas issue is “special”.
Here’s another one: http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f7198
Rufus Sewell
Anthony Andrews, aka Sir Percy Blakeney, Baronet. (Remember the incredibly youthful Ian McKellen in that?)
Paul Gross and David Marciano in Due South (yes, I do think DM, or rather Ray Vecchio, is cute, big nose, receding chin, receding hair and all. Take that, MRAs.)
Robert Carlyle as he was in Hamish MacBeth: http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/hamish-macbeth/images/28020614/title/hamish-macbeth-photo
Oooh, know the ultimate science study? The survival rate of chocolates while watching George Clooney on the telly.
Hamish MacBeth! I’m in the middle of watching that for the umpteenth time. <3
He was pretty cute in The Full Monty, too – more hair.
Jonathon Firth
and of course
COLIN FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRTH
How did we go so long without mentioning Idris Elba? Serious lapse.
http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/idris_elba_07.jpg
I wish I’d known sooner that Googling hot guys was such an effective way to repel trolls. It really hasn’t been a chore.
Funny, isn’t it, how just talking about stuff we like makes the trolls run away. Feeble, they are.
I still have the men of True Blood in my arsenal for next time. *Rubs hands together greedily*
I can’t link (old phone, weak link-fu), but my all time man-crush has been Sananda Maitreya, a/k/a Terence Trent D’Arby. My husband has been indulgent, even when I flew* from Oakland to NYC by myself to see him in concert.
*On an airplane, I must admit.
😀
I wonder if it’d freak them out to include portraits of handsome men from the past?
It’d be an excuse for CLOTHES!!!!eleventy!!1 at any rate.
Anand: Fromafar2013, She has definitely lied a lot in her videos. She introduced herself as a childhood gamer whereas in a leaked viral video she says that she hated violent games and never liked shooting games. First red flag.
So nu? Only violent/shooting games = games?
Color me shocked that you would have a narow-minded exclusionist sensibility.
i wonder who gave you the idea that all MRAs are white? I know many men of different races who identify as MRAs. Heck i even have a friend(indian) who identifies as an MRA. If you check the traffic of avfm, you can see that they have regulars from different continents. Also know two gay guys who are friends with my best friend who calls themselves MRAs.
For a non-affiliated dude you sure know a lot about the MRM and AVfM.
Could that be why you were willing to kick in and contribute to AVfM when they no longer needed the money for an unsupported allegation of death threats (which you accepted uncritically) even as you dismiss proven examples of death threats and targeted harassment of women by the MRM; and the violent rhetoric of a man who has said he would commit a crime so he could keep rapists out of prison?
Compare and contrast: Actually i have lots of friends, a few feminist female friends, normal female friends, normal guy friends, one mra guy friend
The women are female and the males are, “guys”.
Nope, he doesn’t have any tells, men and women are all the same to him, equality is his touchstone, nothing to see here move along.
Auggzilliary, i doubt our legal system would ever allow someone like pual elam to judge a rape case. I dont think we have to worry about him ever saving rapists in court.
Bullshit. He has said he would lie to get on the jury: that’s his agenda. Even if he never gets to do it… that’s what he promotes.
And that’s non-responsive. You have supported someone who advocates letting predators loose to prey on women. Yet you claim to be against violence; unless, apparently, it’s directed at women. That’s endorsing, and encouraging violence against women.
You paid him money.
Honestly, i dont support anyone.</i
Liar. You gave him money. You gave it too him even though he didn't need it. You admit you gave it to him out of solidarity for his hatred of feminism.
And you admit it: . Even if i threw that money in the dumpster, i wouldnt lose anything. If that money is used for extra security, then its cool or if it was a scam then whatever.
1: If you threw it in the dumpster it wouldn’t be supporting someone who hates women (see above, re rape). 2: It wasn’t needed for security, so it won’t go to that. 3: You admit you don’t give a shit if he took it in a scam; to use in whatever way he sees fit.
So you supported him. Full stop.
Mancat:
http://i.imgur.com/mwOe9l8.jpg
Ladycat:
http://i.imgur.com/chQ3FMb.jpg