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A Voice for Men's Threatener-in-Chief Paul Elam demands that feminists pay security costs for his group's conference

Paul Elam, Man of Peace
Paul Elam, Man of Peace

Well, you have to admit, he’s got chutzpah.

You may have heard that A Voice for Men is sponsoring what it calls the First International Conference on Men’s Issues later this month in Detroit, featuring such notable celebrity speakers as “internationally recognized writer, lecturer and videographer” Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan, “former mental health professional” Paul “Boy Yells A Lot” Elam, Warren “Boys Aren’t Hurt By Incest a Lot” Farrell, and, well, a collection of other equally exciting names.

But there have been some doubts about it happening from the start. It took some time for the AVFMers to sell enough tickets to enable them to cover the costs of the event.

And now it the costs of the event are going up further: according to a letter that Elam has posted to his site, the hotel that will be hosting the conference has gotten “numerous calls and threats” of a violent nature because of the conference, and is demanding that AVFM cover the costs of additional security at the event.

So Elam has decided that feminists should pay some of these costs, in order to prove they’re “not like that.”

The death threats from feminists, in the attempt to silence these esteemed speakers, has resulted in the conference incurring tens of thousands of dollars in additional security costs.

We plan on launching a fundraiser tomorrow to address those needs, but I want to give the feminists who stand by free speech and assert decisively that these thugs do not represent what feminism is about, to have an early shot at helping us address the gender issues that impact men and boys in an open forum.

He’s even set up a special Paypal button “for feminists only.”

Excuse me?

Let’s be clear here: Death threats are bad. Other sorts of threats are bad. Harassment is bad. Shutting down talks given by people you don’t like is bad. Whoever made the threats against AVFM’s conference, feminist or not, deserves to be prosecuted.

But as someone who has never promoted violence or threats of violence or any form of harassment aimed at MRAs, and who has in fact spoken out against this on numerous occasions, I’m not actually responsible, even indirectly, for the threats against AVFM’s conference. (I haven’t even written about the conference before.) And neither is any other feminist who’s “not like that.”

Indeed, the idea that we should bankroll AVFM’s conference is a bit like asking anti-racist activists to fund a KKK rally because someone or other sent threats to the Klan.

AVFM, as I have documented rather throroughly, is a hateful organization motivated by a deeply misogynistic ideology. Its rhetoric is consistently threatening, designed to intimidate opponents into shutting up and going away. Elam himself — the master of the not-quite-legally actionable threat — once famously told one opponent that

I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. …

Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can. …

We are coming for you … .

It’s a group whose main form of “activism” has always been harassing individual women; indeed, the Register-Her.com sitte referenced in the above quote (currently offline and being rebuilt) was a phony “offenders registry” that posted the names and some of the personal information of AVFM’s female enemies alongside profiles of serial killers and sexual abusers. AVFM seemed to make a special point of picking vulnerable targets, often college students, evidently feeling that these women would be easier to intimidate.

AVFM has tried to destroy the lives and livelihoods of numerous other enemies, in at least one case through allegedly illegal means.

The site has also participated enthusiastically in misogynistic internet hate-orgies directed at outspoken women like Rebecca Watson and Anita Sarkeesian, women who received and who are still receiving numerous violent threats of rape and murder.

On one occasion, joining up with a hate campaign already heavily populated with white supremacists, Elam targeted a recent college grad for allegedly boasting on her blog that she’s been actively discriminating against white men in her job at the Georgetown Admissions Office. The blog was an obvious hoax and the woman in question had nothing to do with it. Even former KKK leader David Duke realized this before Elam did.

And we can’t forget that AVFM hosted a terrorist manifesto in its activism section for several years, written by Thomas Ball, a Men’s Rights Activist who hoped that his dramatic suicide – he burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse – would inspire other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations.

So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …

You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!

(Emphasis mine.)

AVFM finally removed the manifesto from its “activism” section shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing brought the issue of domestic terrorism back into the limelight. But the site still hosts numerous articles glorifying the author of this manifesto.

Oh, and those associated with AVFM are not above harassing their male critics as well. I get a lot of weird, creepy and threatening emails and comments. It’s rare that the senders are dumb enough to do it under their own name. But that was the case with a creepy and threatening voicemail message I received at 1:38 AM one winter night from a longtime AVFM fan and tireless poster-paster that Elam once described as a “One Man Army” and “an MRA’s MRA.”

And this is the organization that expects feminists like me to pay for its security costs?

I don’t think so.

 

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emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

I’m not exactly the person who feminism was INTENDED for. It just happened to come through for me at just the right time.

But without you, who would we roll out to prove that Feminism Helps Men Too? 😉

But I get weird around such things, the binary part sets my brain tingly.

Yeah, it gets hard to have the “can men call themselves feminists?” discussion without ending up treading on the toes of people who aren’t men or women. I’ve seen the conversation go really, offensively badly in the past (I once saw someone tell a genderfluid person that ze could call zirself a feminist when ze was a woman, and not when ze was another gender. It was weird and kinda gross).

The letter is real.

Well, if JudgyBitch says so…

<blockquote.You might want to rally around Emma Howland-Bolton. If she staged those calls, she is in a lot of trouble.

When in doubt, blame a woman. (Link is a debunk of AVfM’s attempt to blame this woman.

But she has fallen curiously silent on her FB protest page.

I’m sure that has nothing to do with the doxxing and subsequent harassment.

She called for actors to take part in some “super fuuuun” action, but if calling in death threats was part of the fun, she made a critical error. She threatened Hilton staff and non-conference related guests.

Notice how quickly the pretense of “if” falls away. By the end of the paragraph, it’s clear you’ve already decided she’s guilty.

But if she faked those calls, she is in big, big, big trouble, the consequences of which will be all out of proportion to the crime.

Of that, I have no doubt

@Cliff, AFAIK Paul Elam is his legal name.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

Okay, so I’m getting educated on Emma by MRAs. She and her ‘group’ have engaged in illegal activities before! The proof: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/22/detroit-libraries-closing-shutdown-occupy-detroit-lincoln-monteith_n_1166382.html
(You can’t make this stuff up.)

cloudiah
6 years ago

Oh my dog, I’ve been involved in civil disobedience too. I was part of an organization that organized a group of parents to take over a public golf course after the county found the funds to keep it open while they were closing parks in poor neighborhoods. I’ve also walked many a picket line.

Clearly this means I am prone to violent acts. You guys better report me.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

So, making public accusations that a named individual committed a serious crime while admitting you have no evidence at all.

False accusations are the worst crime eve…I mean, [name] threatened to kill us! I know because she doesn’t like us!

Please – someone try to contact her – and see if you can help her.

Are you, like, trying to get us to “help her” by posting her dox where you happen to be reading? We’re not stupid, JB.

Or maybe you’re trying to post her name and the accusations so many times they become permanently linked in Google?

Seriously, what’s your angle? I’m not buying your “concern”.

White Knight Mangina is a prestige class.

C’mon, if anyone’s been here long enough to earn that class, it’s LBT.

@Cloudiah I protested the Iraq war, before an after it started. And I brought supplies to Occupy Boston. And I sing with a chorus full of Jewish Communists (a tinhat double-whammy). Clearly I am a threat to decent woman-haters everywhere!

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

But cloudiah, letting her subversive fifth-graders make protest posters is an illegal act!!!! It’s proof positive that Emma is behind this nefarious plot…or so I’m told.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Fibinachi

But of course! And you’ll need all that storage space,

Well, I’m not a size queen, but if it’s for the good of my party… *throws out chest*

RE: emilygoddess

@LBT, can you please not use the “B” word?

I didn’t think I used it except for using Judgy’s name? Did I slip somewhere? Regardless, sorry.

But without you, who would we roll out to prove that Feminism Helps Men Too?

*snorts, rolls eyes* C’mon, everyone knows you feminists can entice any man to become a white knight just by encircling him and chanting ONE OF US ONE OF US for an hour.

Yeah, it gets hard to have the “can men call themselves feminists?” discussion without ending up treading on the toes of people who aren’t men or women.

It really does. I feel some of the frustration I encounter with it is because while I’m male, I’m also in a mixed-gender system of two girls, another guy, and a non-binary kid. How does that even parse, especially since the world generally treats us as one person? It makes my head hurt, but I also know trans guys have a history of being assholes who’ll happily appropriate women’s experiences and I don’t want to be one of them, so I try to not be a dick.

C’mon, if anyone’s been here long enough to earn that class, it’s LBT.

Just wait! One day, I’ll slip, and you guys will turn on me and throw me out of the clubhouse, just like the MRAs say you will!

RE: Fibinachi

I found A Culture of Conspiracy, Michael Barkun, to be quite interesting.

I might have to check this out myself. I find that kind of mentality very interesting. (Part of it is protective; I figure, if you’re as crazy as I am, it pays to learn the tricks and traps so as not to get caught in them myself. The day you’re sunk is the day you presume you’ll never get schnookered.)

magnesium
magnesium
6 years ago

Oh, thank the Goddess of Misandry. Judgey-Child-Rape-Apologist is here to remind everyone that the reason MRA’s are so obsessed with false accusations is because they constantly make them at anyone for the pettiest, most childish reasons, and believe that the rest of the world is as despicable as they are.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Quoting bbeaty for truth and because it can’t be said enough:

Completely agree death-threats are not acceptable under any circumstances. Civilized people find better ways to express their disagreement with a conference, a speaker, or someone who posts something on the internet.

Having said that, I am officially calling shenanigans.

Thing one: As someone who has both liberated a fair amount of stationary from hotels and has helped organize conferences at hotels, I can see some glaring problems. First and foremost, that stationary is the kind found hotel rooms for guests to use. It basically marketing the hotel gives you to say: “Look friends! I am staying at the DoubleTree! In fancy Deee-troit City! Woo Hoo! Don’t you wish you were here?”*

Correspondence from the hotel itself will include – in the letterhead – the business address of the hotel (as opposed to the address they tell guests to come to), the department the letter is coming from and most likely the the actual name, title, direct phone number and email of the person sending the letter.

Thing two: In a case like this, a letter would not have been the first form of communication. It would have been a phone call from the personal handling account, who at this point would have a personal relationship with Elam — or one of those weirdly fakey personal business relationships sale folks love to create. in that phone call, they would have hashed out the details of the problem and proposed solution. In part because as presented it is a dicey situation. And in part because they don’t want people do so what Elam just did (in theory) — get ticked off and post the letter for all to see and get enraged over. They want to had the hard talk in a non-reproducible medium. Then, when the crying and screaming and blaming is over, they will send a letter with lots of “as we discussed in out June 1 phone call …” and it would refer to the amended contract, which would likely be attached.

Thing three: The DoubleTree was a class act when I worked with them. I doubt they would hire someone with the same over-blown yet vague writing style Elam uses and the same problem with not knowing what woulds should and should not (Two Million) be capitalized in the middle of a sentence.

*Well, that’s what I do with it anyway.

Shaenon
6 years ago

WHO THE HELL IS THIS WOMAN ANYWAY AND WHY DOES JUDGY THINK WE KNOW HER????

I’m always fascinated when MRAs think everyone is familiar with the random women they’re trying to harass. They do this all the time. “I DEMAND YOU DECRY THE HEINOUS SUSIE MCLADYPERSON!” “…who?” “NEVER MIND THAT! JUST DECRY HER!”

pecunium
6 years ago

Whut? Tens of thousands of dollars in additional security? I call bullshit.

Q: How does the hotel know of these threats?
A: Unless some member of AVfM told them, the only answer is the hotel was the recipient.

If the hotel was the recipient they would first informt the police. They would then, if they thought them of a credible nature, just cancel the event. They might, if they thought it likely to be a case of protest requiring some hotel employees to clear people off the property have to put a couple of hotel dicks on duty who otherwise would have been off.

But I help run conventions: big ones. I’m an Area Head for Arisia, which limits membership to 3700, and lasts four days. We therefore take up about six days on the ground (load in, convention, load out). To the best of my knowledge the hotel puts no one else on duty.

My guess… the don’t have anyone who knows how to plan such a conference.

The trick is to figure out how many people are going to attend. What the programming needs are; e.g. how many tracks, what socialising spaces independent of the programming, etc.. Based on those needs the hotel quotes a price (for the space). A good hotel negotiator then says, “we will have X number of rooms booked,” and argues for a lower rate on the function spaces based on the profit the hotel gets from the rooms (a really good one also gets a better rack rate on the rooms, because it’s a pretty much guaranteed arrival, and the guests are more likely than other people to use things like the hotel bars and restaurants).

If the rooms don’t fill… then the original rates on the function space come back into effect (one also ought to arrange for some contingency plans for being able to expand the room block if those rooms have filled up before some date in advance of the con; and an increase in function space, etc.).

So I suspect they don’t have the room nights they need to not pay the price of the space they’ve booked; and it’s too late to cancel without paying a contractual forfeit.

Gorgon
Gorgon
6 years ago

Fatrelle is mad.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Oh, I forgot to tell you guys that there’s now an official Reddit sub in case you ever need to condemn something some random feminist may or may not have done:

http://www.reddit.com/r/feministscondemnstuff/

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Shaenon

I’m always fascinated when MRAs think everyone is familiar with the random women they’re trying to harass. They do this all the time.

Do they seriously think Mammoth is like 4chan or something? We’re not that big! Eesh.

RE: pecunium

I know another con starter dude who runs in Arisia circles; I’m starting to wonder if you know each other. Tom, short Italian guy, brown curly hair, goatee? Very quiet and softspoken? That said, I have no idea how you guys manage that kind of planning; it’s a skill I deeply respect.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

just delurking to say this; As a Michigander, I recommend that the entire MRA clowncar stay out of my state.

the great lakes have enough slimy parasites in and around them.
and really, comparing a Lamprey to the MRAs is unkind to the Lamprey

also a wolverine would totally win in a fight against a honey badger.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Wow, judgytwit thinks we have credibility with someone (I’ve never heard of this Emma person and I bet I’m not alone in that) and that therefore we should contact her about something she hasn’t actually done but that JT thinks she really has … and all this in a transparently stupid attempt to say “SEE? FEMINISTS SUPPORT DEATH THREATS!”

BTW, judgyrapeapologist, not everyone uses Facebook, partly because it has as little concern for people’s safety and privacy as you and your abuser mates at AVfM.

If it hasn’t been said already, this is prime material for a Pierre cartoon.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

AVfM had no ethical qualms about stealing the logo of the Halifax police department (and the logos of “Don’t Be That Girl” supporters) in order to get revenge on feminists. I wouldn’t put it past them to appropriate a Doubletree logo and fake up some letterhead. Pranking people is their bread and butter.

The letter just looks and sounds unprofessional. It’s written in a dull, dated font, with odd margins and a montonous, visually unappealing format. It doesn’t look anything like the other example of Doubletree correspondence (presumably genuine) that’s on Google Images. Whoever wrote it deviated from corporate standards.

Also, business correspondence, even if it’s relaying unpleasant news, usually concludes graciously by saying something like “Thank you for choosing Doubletree Suites. If there is anything we can do to make your stay more pleasant, please don’t hesitate to contact us.” This letter ends abruptly, on a note of hey-we-gotta-protect-our-backs.

It’s allllllmost as if the person writing it were really bad at PR.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

I think what really bemuses me about JB coming here is that… it felt like she was trying to be so confusing on purpose.

“Now, I’m not saying this person did anything… we have no proof she did anything… but if she did anything it’d be terrible… she’s in big trouble if she did anything… you should do something as though she did anything…”

Just… what? Are you trying to throw us off? Do you think we’re in a secret alliance or something and therefore would respond with, “Oh shit, they’re on to us!”

kittehserf
6 years ago

LBT – or it could just be that judgytwit is really that fucking stupid.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

You might want to rally around Emma Howland-Bolton. If she staged those calls, she is in a lot of trouble.

Why do I feel like JB is trying to herd all of us into a corner?

“Go! Go stand over there and put your arm around this person I have accused of doing something. Act like you know her. Here, hold this bloodstained knife for a second. Make sure you grip it really tightly with the pads of your fingers.”

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Enh. I wouldn’t give her that much credit.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

What MRAs like to think of themselves as being like.

What they’re actually like.

pecunium
6 years ago

Yes. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsover that Emma is in any way connected to the death threats. But if she were not, I would expect her to come out and claim that. Maybe. I don’t know. Please – someone try to contact her – and see if you can help her.

I see… a “have you stopped beating your wife” dilemma. You have accused her, so she needs to deny she did it.

Never mind that the internal evidence implies the “death threats” aren’t real.

So, if they are real, you won’t mind getting us the contact information for the conference liasson contact at the hotel. Elam will, of course, be willing to give them permission to talk to us.

Seems only fair. The FBI being involved, and all.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: cassandrakitty

YUP.

This is actually all kinda interesting, since I recently got sucked into the infamous Andy Blake cult brouhaha, where a highly charismatic con artist swindled fans and also got a number of people to believe he was channeling Mr. Frodo. (Among others. Trust me, the true story is so convoluted and so mindbogglingly bizarre, you wouldn’t believe me if I told you.)

What’s creepy to me isn’t that people like Blake exist. What’s creepy to me is how many people I see who act like they ASPIRE to be people like Blake, but just don’t quite have the magnetic charisma to pull it off.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

LBT, you did a “son of a ____” upthread, when your donate button was borked. I figured it was a slip, no worries 🙂

I’m also in a mixed-gender system of two girls, another guy, and a non-binary kid

I thought it was you, hubby, Gigi and Sneak. Have I been overlooking someone this whole time?

Pecunium,

I’m an Area Head for Arisia, which limits membership to 3700, and lasts four days. We therefore take up about six days on the ground (load in, convention, load out). To the best of my knowledge the hotel puts no one else on duty.

I was thinking of Arisia, actually, and how we provide our own security. Of course, I doubt they’d let we security volunteers handle something like the threats they claim to be dealing with here. Also, the idea of giving an MRA a security badge does the opposite of giving me an erection.

<blockquote.So I suspect they don’t have the room nights they need to not pay the price of the space they’ve booked; and it’s too late to cancel without paying a contractual forfeit.

That would certainly be consistent with the attendance at previous events.

Buttercup,

Also, business correspondence, even if it’s relaying unpleasant news, usually concludes graciously by saying something like “Thank you for choosing Doubletree Suites. If there is anything we can do to make your stay more pleasant, please don’t hesitate to contact us.” This letter ends abruptly, on a note of hey-we-gotta-protect-our-backs.

Also, is anyone else wondering why he blacked out the name of whoever wrote the letter? I’m guessing it’s a detail he wasn’t able to fill in credibly, but I wonder what his stated reason is.

TeflonExpat
TeflonExpat
6 years ago

Would this be the first ever feminist v anti-feminist physical confrontation? The press must be on site. The papers will want to cover this.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

But if she were not, I would expect her to come out and claim that.

The problem here is the assumption that an accusation from a handful of fringe extremists is even worth taking the time to refute. AVfM stans don’t seem to realize how irrelevant their site is to most people.

Also, as I said upthread, it’s possible she hadn’t said anything because you assholes are harassing her. For some reason, people tend to lay low when a bunch of extremists who want to “fuck their shit up” start coming at them.

@LBT, oh, I remember Andy Blake! What a blast from the past! God, I wish someone had mirrored the Fandom Wank wiki before it crashed…

TeflonExpat
TeflonExpat
6 years ago

“AVfM stans don’t seem to realize how irrelevant their site is to most people.”

Maybe they do realize it and prefer it that way. Like a club. Although they probably got a lot of exposure due to the finger-pointing rhetoric aimed at them after the Elliot Rodger shoot up.

Integral
Integral
6 years ago

I don’t know what Judgy thinks her cunning plan is, but she kind of reminded me of this:

And this of course:

pecunium
6 years ago

JB: I know this is hard for you to trust or understand, but I am concerned for Emma. She is a teacher. She may not truly grasp what she has done, if she has done anything at all WHICH I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ONE WAY OR ANOTHER

So we should call her with pleas to make amends for this thing you have no evidence she did?

Why should we turn ourselves into lackeys for your desire to have her harassed?

If she is silent out of fear, that is one thing. But if she is silent because she has done something stupid, surely you might reach out out her?

What if she is “silent” because she didn’t do anything wrong?

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: emilygoddess

LBT, you did a “son of a ____” upthread, when your donate button was borked. I figured it was a slip, no worries 🙂

Shit you’re right. I’m sorry! D: It won’t happen again.

I thought it was you, hubby, Gigi and Sneak. Have I been overlooking someone this whole time?

You got most of us! There’s also my sis Miranda, who doesn’t talk so much and prefers working behind the scenes. (Also Falcon, but he’s kinda a weird case and is only here sometimes and rarely involves himself in corporeal affairs.)

God, I wish someone had mirrored the Fandom Wank wiki before it crashed…

Yeah, I missed all of it! I only just now heard about this bullshit yesterday. Eesh, with folks like that affiliated with multi, it’s a wonder anyone takes me seriously as a human at all.

grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

Well, I just caught up on this thread from Judgy Bitch’s appearance. This is some fucked up weird shit. The hell?

KathleenB
KathleenB
6 years ago

Detroit has enough problems already, why do these asshats feel the need to add to them?

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

Gorgon is dumb.

Would this be the first ever feminist v anti-feminist physical confrontation? The press must be on site. The papers will want to cover this.

1) No, it wouldn’t be the first and 2) again, most people don’t care much about this stuff.

LBT, I did some googling and apparently Blake is back in fandom, and a warning has been going around Tumblr.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I think it is all a big misunderstanding and the hotel is requiring AVFM to either contract their own security or pay the hotel for additional security to keep the MRAs from harming others not to protect the MRAs.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

“I once saw someone tell a genderfluid person that ze could call zirself a feminist when ze was a woman, and not when ze was another gender. It was weird and kinda gross”

ō.Ó?? And what if I refuse to ever pick a binary gender now that I’ve sorted out that I don’t have to? Do I have to mind read whether I’m being read more as female or male? Or do my 4″ goth boot heels rate as female enough? Does the tie negate them? INQUIRING MINDS!!

As for JB…

Oi. So much oi.

That aside…

If I follow, there’s this Emma person, who may’ve maybe made the threats since her FB says she has super fun plans for protesting, and she hasn’t denied her super fun plans being terror tactics, and JB is concerned that if she made the threats she doesn’t know how serious that is so we should help her?

1) there’s this Emma person = factually true
1b) no one here seems to know her = inferred from thread
2) her FB references super fun plans = I assume this one is also true, but can’t be arsed to check.
3) JB thinks these plans may mean she sent the threats = stated upthread, ergo true
4) Emma hasn’t denied it = OHAI IT’S A FALLACY! But pecunium covered that already.
5) JB says she’s concerned = also stated by JB
6) this concern is because if she made the threats… = an if based on conjecture and a fallacy
6b) she may not know how serious they are = possibly true, if she made the threats, see 6
7) we should reach out to her = …WHY?!

Even if we grant 1-6b as being factually true to the fullest extent possible, why in the FUCK should we tell a total stranger that DHS can go after her for terroristic threats? I have plenty of issues with how the US handles terrorism, but that doesn’t mean I’m about to help some total stranger get away with terroristic threats that she may’ve made if conjuncture holds up despite being dipped in fallacy sauce.

I mean really now!

In totally random things, I found a shark fetus at an antique store, the BF says he’ll buy it for me. Not a clue where I’ll put it, but my Victorian oddities collection grows!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Ack, sorry about the teal deer.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: emilygoddess

LBT, I did some googling and apparently Blake is back in fandom, and a warning has been going around Tumblr.

Yup! That’s how I heard about it! (That and also both of my roommates have had dealings with people who were basically Blake-wannabes. It frightens me that apparently a lot of pluralish pagans run into these guys.)

RE: Argenti

If you’re into curiosities and ever find yourself in Austin TX for some ungodly reason, I really think you should check out the Museum of Natural and Artificial Ephemerata. It seems up your alley, and the people who run it is nice. (We went a couple times. It’s just this couple who runs it out of their house.)

grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

So this Emma is a dangerous person because she did a sit-in at a library once because she didn’t want it to close? And she shared a letter from one of her young students saying how much the student loved the library?

Horrors.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

I found a shark fetus at an antique store, the BF says he’ll buy it for me.

That tingling on the back of your neck is my jealous glare hitting you though the internet.

(That and also both of my roommates have had dealings with people who were basically Blake-wannabes. It frightens me that apparently a lot of pluralish pagans run into these guys.)

Tell me you’ve read about the women who tried to start an otakukin cult around FFVII? TW for cults, abuse, and probably other things (it’s been a while since I read it).

kiwi girl
6 years ago

Possibly, she once entered a store (hardware? stationery?) that sold box cutters.

kiwi girl
6 years ago

Possibly she once entered a (hardware? stationery?) store that sold box cutters.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I hate wordpress logins.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

grumpycatisagirl, maybe I missed it but did Emma even participate in the sit-in?

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: emilygoddess

Tell me you’ve read about the women who tried to start an otakukin cult around FFVII?

Oh god, yes, I have. *rubs forehead* Like, I can’t claim any sort of superiority, my husband is basically a red shirt from a story we wrote in high school, but I believe that when you are very strange, it is all the more imperative to keep your feet firmly on the ground. When you have really weird shit going on, you HAVE to be willing to question and weigh your experiences, or… well. You get this shit.

I always feel really weird reading about these creepers, because I feel like I’m more like THEM than I am normal people. The multi, the people from fiction, the sheer weirdness. But I don’t want to be GROSS about it. I want to be a reliable, responsible human being who makes the material world a better place, and not just the one between my ears. I don’t WANT to be a creepy abusive cult leader. I just want to be a decent, boring human being.

I don’t know. It’s just WEIRD.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Hey, kiwi girl, good to see you! ::waves::

kittehserf
6 years ago

LBT, you’re not gross. Well, if you don’t count Mac’s cockjazzling. 😛

Different, even strange, =/= gross or being a creeper. For that matter, being thought creepy by people because you’re multi =/= actually doing things that make you a creeper.

Quin
Quin
6 years ago

Detroit is flat-busted broke. I suspect the death threats are a cover for the city saying “We cannot and will not provide you with the security you request.”

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

LBT,
You’re not creepy and gross at all!

OT: By Warren Farrell’s standards this is the most misandering picture to ever misandry
http://dlisted.com/2014/06/02/the-caption-this-contest-for-june-2nd/

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Kittehs

Hubby insists his cockjazzling is NOT gross. I shall smile and nod.

And yeah, I’m usually pretty aware of that. I don’t know, maybe it’s just a bit of brain weasels telling me, “The only reason you think you’re not like them is because you’re a delusional whackjob with delusions of grandeur, when really, you’re just some impoverished leech draining everyone’s resources.” Like, intellectually, I know that I do good things (we’re volunteering at the SPCA soon! I’m working on giving a talk on DID to a community mental health center! I write and draw things that make people happy!) but sometimes, I still feel like I’m just a creeper who’s fooled everyone.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

LBT — on those limited criteria you might be more like them, but if we’re using limited criteria, pecunium is more like Hitler than he’s like his beloved, cuz cis men. By the more important criteria of, idk, are you a decent person? You’re not like them, and he’s not like Hilter.

Yes I just Godwin’ed.

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