Well, you have to admit, he’s got chutzpah.
You may have heard that A Voice for Men is sponsoring what it calls the First International Conference on Men’s Issues later this month in Detroit, featuring such notable celebrity speakers as “internationally recognized writer, lecturer and videographer” Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan, “former mental health professional” Paul “Boy Yells A Lot” Elam, Warren “Boys Aren’t Hurt By Incest a Lot” Farrell, and, well, a collection of other equally exciting names.
But there have been some doubts about it happening from the start. It took some time for the AVFMers to sell enough tickets to enable them to cover the costs of the event.
And now it the costs of the event are going up further: according to a letter that Elam has posted to his site, the hotel that will be hosting the conference has gotten “numerous calls and threats” of a violent nature because of the conference, and is demanding that AVFM cover the costs of additional security at the event.
So Elam has decided that feminists should pay some of these costs, in order to prove they’re “not like that.”
The death threats from feminists, in the attempt to silence these esteemed speakers, has resulted in the conference incurring tens of thousands of dollars in additional security costs.
We plan on launching a fundraiser tomorrow to address those needs, but I want to give the feminists who stand by free speech and assert decisively that these thugs do not represent what feminism is about, to have an early shot at helping us address the gender issues that impact men and boys in an open forum.
He’s even set up a special Paypal button “for feminists only.”
Excuse me?
Let’s be clear here: Death threats are bad. Other sorts of threats are bad. Harassment is bad. Shutting down talks given by people you don’t like is bad. Whoever made the threats against AVFM’s conference, feminist or not, deserves to be prosecuted.
But as someone who has never promoted violence or threats of violence or any form of harassment aimed at MRAs, and who has in fact spoken out against this on numerous occasions, I’m not actually responsible, even indirectly, for the threats against AVFM’s conference. (I haven’t even written about the conference before.) And neither is any other feminist who’s “not like that.”
Indeed, the idea that we should bankroll AVFM’s conference is a bit like asking anti-racist activists to fund a KKK rally because someone or other sent threats to the Klan.
AVFM, as I have documented rather throroughly, is a hateful organization motivated by a deeply misogynistic ideology. Its rhetoric is consistently threatening, designed to intimidate opponents into shutting up and going away. Elam himself — the master of the not-quite-legally actionable threat — once famously told one opponent that
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. …
Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can. …
We are coming for you … .
It’s a group whose main form of “activism” has always been harassing individual women; indeed, the Register-Her.com sitte referenced in the above quote (currently offline and being rebuilt) was a phony “offenders registry” that posted the names and some of the personal information of AVFM’s female enemies alongside profiles of serial killers and sexual abusers. AVFM seemed to make a special point of picking vulnerable targets, often college students, evidently feeling that these women would be easier to intimidate.
AVFM has tried to destroy the lives and livelihoods of numerous other enemies, in at least one case through allegedly illegal means.
The site has also participated enthusiastically in misogynistic internet hate-orgies directed at outspoken women like Rebecca Watson and Anita Sarkeesian, women who received and who are still receiving numerous violent threats of rape and murder.
On one occasion, joining up with a hate campaign already heavily populated with white supremacists, Elam targeted a recent college grad for allegedly boasting on her blog that she’s been actively discriminating against white men in her job at the Georgetown Admissions Office. The blog was an obvious hoax and the woman in question had nothing to do with it. Even former KKK leader David Duke realized this before Elam did.
And we can’t forget that AVFM hosted a terrorist manifesto in its activism section for several years, written by Thomas Ball, a Men’s Rights Activist who hoped that his dramatic suicide – he burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse – would inspire other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …
You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
(Emphasis mine.)
AVFM finally removed the manifesto from its “activism” section shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing brought the issue of domestic terrorism back into the limelight. But the site still hosts numerous articles glorifying the author of this manifesto.
Oh, and those associated with AVFM are not above harassing their male critics as well. I get a lot of weird, creepy and threatening emails and comments. It’s rare that the senders are dumb enough to do it under their own name. But that was the case with a creepy and threatening voicemail message I received at 1:38 AM one winter night from a longtime AVFM fan and tireless poster-paster that Elam once described as a “One Man Army” and “an MRA’s MRA.”
And this is the organization that expects feminists like me to pay for its security costs?
I don’t think so.
My guess? In the wake of UCSB, the hotel has finally heard of MRAs, has looked at the AVfM website & gone “WTF!” I cannot even imagine how any of the female staff feel to realise that their place of employment is asking them to work at the same place as this crew.
I already proved I’m not like that.by not doing any such thing.
GWW, on the other hand, has repeatedly spoken of the value of domestic violence committed against women.
How the blue fuck am I scary compared to a fucking hate group that advocated violence against women?
apply some olive oil (externally) along with lots and lots of white wine (internally)
I find this is a solution for a lot of ills.
Shucks, Paul, you should have asked yesterday! I spent all of my walking-around-money on flavoured bottled water.
I bought shoes and scented candles and brassieres and cleaning products and tampons. Sorry. 🙁
And to think, we could have been funding people who detest us.
And then they totally would have stopped demonising feminists! (Heeheeheeheehee)
Damn, you mean I shouldn’t have bought all that yarn?
@Lady
“Has anyone actually called the hotel in question to ask whether or not they’ve actually gotten any threats? ‘Cause it’s not all that difficult to get hold of hotel stationary”
Elam redacted the name of the manager for his own protection. Hmm very convenient. He probably wrote the letter himself and is now begging for money to pay for the “security”. Never trust anyone on the Net unless you know the actual person, or send them anything.
If the hotel was receiving any threats they would turn them over to the police, not tell a guest that he had to pay for security.And if the hotel and cops really believed there was some chance of a real disturbance or violence they would just cancel the event. Yes, they can do this. So I’d say that this threat is just bullshit and if it really happened it could be from anyone. Perhaps another Rodger type who is jealous of Elam :o)
The last time I looked at his site it was about that college girl he was doxing(?) I guess that means trying to expose or something. I told him it was bullshit and not to believe crap you read on the Net. Even the Klan guy was smart enough to see this.
You know how easy it is to spread disinformation on the Net and make it look legitimate?
And as far as “outing” anyone, do you really believe that he’s going to come from Texas to wherever Futrelle lives just to put up some posters claiming that he’s a bad guy lol This is absurd, the guy probably doesn’t even have the bus fare.
PUA’s are just silly nerdy boys and are a bit ridiculous but harmless.They are so inept that they think they need a script just to go over to a girl and say hello.I think the antipua site that Rodgers read were people who got ripped off buying PUA videos and other junk or perhaps even went to some pua “bootcamp” These nerds were just mad as hell when the stuff didn’t work lol
Come on, you giuse. Which of you threatened violence against the facility hosting the event?
::raises hand::
I confess.
It was Maddie.
And thanks to Peter la Croix for the lovely mansplaining about what poor harmless boys all the PUAs are & a “Rodgers type” is just jealous of Elam. I for one certainly feel reassured by his manly opinions. /snark
Of course, Elam is just trying for a “gotcha”. If anyone donated via the “feminist” button, that would be proof that feminists are guilty of the threats and are threatened by AVfM. When no one donates, it’s proof that feminists have deliberately sabotaged the conference and are evil.
We’re not stupid, Elam. Unlike your supporters.
Clearly I’m more cynical than the rest of you, because my first thought was that Paypal donations might give him all the info he needs to dox someone via the transaction information.
cassandra – Flying Mousie made that observation, too.
Not that this cancel out “scam” or “attempt to avoid admitting that nobody wants to come to your event” as motivations, it’s just that my response to the idea feminists choosing to give Elam all the info Paypal has stored on them was “just how dumb does he think we are?”
It’s Pauly’s idea of multitasking.
Though I’d feel a certain schadenfreude if any of his MRA suckers donated and then suddenly got nasty emails because he thought they were feminists – not that I think even Pauly’s that stupid.
I believe we have footage of that.
@titian
I guess you didn’t get the irony with my remark about Rodgers. Joke, you know haha
And you really believe that these PUAs are some big danger to people? Those videos that they show about themselves picking up girls all appear to be fake and scripted.They’re just trying to sell stuff to the naive.
As far as Rodgers he wasn’t even a pua just some mentally defective person with a personality disorder. There’s no way to stop people like him and we didn’t even know what he was up to until after he was dead and his “manifesto” was read. We can’t just go around putting weird people in mental hospitals unless we can prove they are a danger.You know how many weird people are around and 99% of them never do anything to anyone.And you can’t imprison a person before they commit a crime either.
You can stop some people like the kid in Conn. His mother knew he was crazy but thought giving him an AK47 and shooting at the range may have been good therapy for him. Stupid woman, she was the first one he killed when he went on his rampage.
@titian
Using words like mansplaining is insulting and sexist and I think that you should apologise.Did I accuse you of femsplaining? Did I insult you in any way?
Quick Henry, the Flit!
It’s amazing how many twinsies Erin has.
Of course mansplaining is a disrespectful term. It’s a fucking disrespectful thing to do.
::watches video::
Oh no, Mads! You’ve been sprung!
This whole site is very strange. You people are nuts.