Well, you have to admit, he’s got chutzpah.
You may have heard that A Voice for Men is sponsoring what it calls the First International Conference on Men’s Issues later this month in Detroit, featuring such notable celebrity speakers as “internationally recognized writer, lecturer and videographer” Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan, “former mental health professional” Paul “Boy Yells A Lot” Elam, Warren “Boys Aren’t Hurt By Incest a Lot” Farrell, and, well, a collection of other equally exciting names.
But there have been some doubts about it happening from the start. It took some time for the AVFMers to sell enough tickets to enable them to cover the costs of the event.
And now it the costs of the event are going up further: according to a letter that Elam has posted to his site, the hotel that will be hosting the conference has gotten “numerous calls and threats” of a violent nature because of the conference, and is demanding that AVFM cover the costs of additional security at the event.
So Elam has decided that feminists should pay some of these costs, in order to prove they’re “not like that.”
The death threats from feminists, in the attempt to silence these esteemed speakers, has resulted in the conference incurring tens of thousands of dollars in additional security costs.
We plan on launching a fundraiser tomorrow to address those needs, but I want to give the feminists who stand by free speech and assert decisively that these thugs do not represent what feminism is about, to have an early shot at helping us address the gender issues that impact men and boys in an open forum.
He’s even set up a special Paypal button “for feminists only.”
Excuse me?
Let’s be clear here: Death threats are bad. Other sorts of threats are bad. Harassment is bad. Shutting down talks given by people you don’t like is bad. Whoever made the threats against AVFM’s conference, feminist or not, deserves to be prosecuted.
But as someone who has never promoted violence or threats of violence or any form of harassment aimed at MRAs, and who has in fact spoken out against this on numerous occasions, I’m not actually responsible, even indirectly, for the threats against AVFM’s conference. (I haven’t even written about the conference before.) And neither is any other feminist who’s “not like that.”
Indeed, the idea that we should bankroll AVFM’s conference is a bit like asking anti-racist activists to fund a KKK rally because someone or other sent threats to the Klan.
AVFM, as I have documented rather throroughly, is a hateful organization motivated by a deeply misogynistic ideology. Its rhetoric is consistently threatening, designed to intimidate opponents into shutting up and going away. Elam himself — the master of the not-quite-legally actionable threat — once famously told one opponent that
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. …
Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can. …
We are coming for you … .
It’s a group whose main form of “activism” has always been harassing individual women; indeed, the Register-Her.com sitte referenced in the above quote (currently offline and being rebuilt) was a phony “offenders registry” that posted the names and some of the personal information of AVFM’s female enemies alongside profiles of serial killers and sexual abusers. AVFM seemed to make a special point of picking vulnerable targets, often college students, evidently feeling that these women would be easier to intimidate.
AVFM has tried to destroy the lives and livelihoods of numerous other enemies, in at least one case through allegedly illegal means.
The site has also participated enthusiastically in misogynistic internet hate-orgies directed at outspoken women like Rebecca Watson and Anita Sarkeesian, women who received and who are still receiving numerous violent threats of rape and murder.
On one occasion, joining up with a hate campaign already heavily populated with white supremacists, Elam targeted a recent college grad for allegedly boasting on her blog that she’s been actively discriminating against white men in her job at the Georgetown Admissions Office. The blog was an obvious hoax and the woman in question had nothing to do with it. Even former KKK leader David Duke realized this before Elam did.
And we can’t forget that AVFM hosted a terrorist manifesto in its activism section for several years, written by Thomas Ball, a Men’s Rights Activist who hoped that his dramatic suicide – he burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse – would inspire other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …
You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
(Emphasis mine.)
AVFM finally removed the manifesto from its “activism” section shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing brought the issue of domestic terrorism back into the limelight. But the site still hosts numerous articles glorifying the author of this manifesto.
Oh, and those associated with AVFM are not above harassing their male critics as well. I get a lot of weird, creepy and threatening emails and comments. It’s rare that the senders are dumb enough to do it under their own name. But that was the case with a creepy and threatening voicemail message I received at 1:38 AM one winter night from a longtime AVFM fan and tireless poster-paster that Elam once described as a “One Man Army” and “an MRA’s MRA.”
And this is the organization that expects feminists like me to pay for its security costs?
I don’t think so.
My html-fu sucks today.
Super fun protest things one could need actors for —
Some sort of improv skit that involves handing out cookies
Dressing up as Elam et al and setting up dunk tanks
Define actors as people who do an act and you can have all sorts of fun!
Stage a game of troll bingo
Hand flyers out disproving their talking points (ok, maybe not super fun)
“Block” the conference by making super awesome chalk drawings that no one wants to step on
Anyone want to speculate? I mean JB went for death threats being a super fun protest, what do y’all say? Play pub quiz with their made up stats and the real ones?
Those A-holes want trouble. I hope they pay all that money for security and no protesters show up. Let their pathetic little “conference” fall on its face all on its own.
@piratejennie – yeah, hornet spray is very toxic and illegal for self defense. As the can says, “It is a violation of federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.” Echofoxtrot runs the risk of felony charges and a lawsuit if someone suffers long-term toxic effects from the spray.
Also illegal: flying with flammable aerosols in your luggage.
Dingleberry…….lmao
I am agog as to exactly why the letter has been redacted from AVfM. And it is late here & I need to go to bed. WaaaaaH!
Actually, the super fun action did involve cookies, at least tangentially.
The irony is that the organizers have turned down offers of showing up from groups that use questionable tactics.
The letter is still up at ” a voice for male students”.
Hey, have you all heard about this yet? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/30/mens-rights-concert-cafe-toronto_n_5413438.html
“Men’s Rights Concert In Toronto Cancelled Upon Discovery It Was A Men’s Rights Concert”
hahahah
Well, hornet spray makes sense. Feminist protesters are known for using weaponized hornets. They are a little more difficult to control, but much easier to transport than the Unholy Cat Army of the Night.
Well, that’s what I get for not reading the whole thread. That was a sock, huh? Somehow that makes him even more gross. That creep keeps coming back here to share his “wisdom”?
So much “Ew”.
No.
Did you see the links to her blog?
Go and behold the wrongness of her. If you still have doubts, you give her the dialogue she’s fishing for. I’m not so charitable.
She’s suggesting that a total stranger is in danger due to repercussions for a thing there is no evidence she has any involvement in. It is a thing that most of us are not convinced even happened. JB then suggests, apropos of nothing, that the strange woman (whom she appears to not know personally but is still Facebook stalking) may not know the seriousness of her predicament and may be so out of touch with reality that she is technically “innocent” of wrongdoing.
…for threatening to kill multiple people, right after a national tragedy.
…a national tragedy that just happens to have shown an unpleasant light on her cause.
She wants the woman to get on social media so that she can be a target. She wants to draw in as many people in and get as much attention as she can for her cause.
Her cause defending rapists and abusers and blaming their victims.
That cause.
Why should anyone engage with that?
@grumpcatisagirl
:: brings out a tiny violin ::
@sarah
All super fun activities should involve cookies. Otherwise, how couls they be super fun?
Hope you & the organisers are keeping safe.
grumpcatisagirl & Ally S,
I’ll laugh with you and dance to the tune of that violin. 🙂
That’s the plan!
This wasn’t how I planned on delurking, but I’d like to give the commentariat here a hand.
There are days where y’all keep me sane.
@cloudiah and @hellkell
No doubt you are right about JB’s sincerity (lack thereof). I don’t know what came over me, middle of the night naivete, I guess.
Doxing Emma Howland-Bolton, whipping the AVfM commentariat into a lather so that some of them want to call her superintendent of schools and get her fired, trying to conflate Emma’s protest at the library closing with illegal and violent activity, and mostly just smearing her through suggestion with no proof whatsoever. UGH UGH and UGH some more.
@auggz
I guess that’s good. :/ I just don’t really trust much from cracked, seeing as how I stopped reading there cuz of the isms years ago.
Chris,
That’s how their great human rights movement rolls. :/
Did you notice how Jagermeister Canada put out a tweet that said “we weren’t aware our logo was being used for the concert and never approved it?” Stealing logos without permission is the new human rights activism, I guess.
Auggz,
Is it worth reading?
@auggz
I guess that’s good. Like I said, I’m just still suspicious, if that makes sense.
Sarah — hi! Cookies are excellent, I mean, feminists stole their ice cream, so why not take their cookies too? Sounds like the super fun is super fun and not at all death threaty, and JB is full of shit. Color me surprised >.<
Hope the misters don't give y'all too much shit!
Marie — no glaring isms in that one, other than quoting the misters, the cracked guy talked to a former neo nazi and psych so there's some good shit on why people fall for the MRA shit.
Good luck, sarah! Stay safe.
Wait…
The document has been taken down?
Any explanation?
@Lea,
Yeah, I think you are right. Emma has ducked down a bit and they want her to stick her head up again so they can try to lop it off (metaphorically).
@Argenti Aertheri
Does that mean ice cream cookie sandwiches are the ultimate misandrist treat?
Not only do they contain cookies & ice cream appropriated from the menz but they are a sandwich women make just for our own enjoyment.