Well, you have to admit, he’s got chutzpah.
You may have heard that A Voice for Men is sponsoring what it calls the First International Conference on Men’s Issues later this month in Detroit, featuring such notable celebrity speakers as “internationally recognized writer, lecturer and videographer” Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan, “former mental health professional” Paul “Boy Yells A Lot” Elam, Warren “Boys Aren’t Hurt By Incest a Lot” Farrell, and, well, a collection of other equally exciting names.
But there have been some doubts about it happening from the start. It took some time for the AVFMers to sell enough tickets to enable them to cover the costs of the event.
And now it the costs of the event are going up further: according to a letter that Elam has posted to his site, the hotel that will be hosting the conference has gotten “numerous calls and threats” of a violent nature because of the conference, and is demanding that AVFM cover the costs of additional security at the event.
So Elam has decided that feminists should pay some of these costs, in order to prove they’re “not like that.”
The death threats from feminists, in the attempt to silence these esteemed speakers, has resulted in the conference incurring tens of thousands of dollars in additional security costs.
We plan on launching a fundraiser tomorrow to address those needs, but I want to give the feminists who stand by free speech and assert decisively that these thugs do not represent what feminism is about, to have an early shot at helping us address the gender issues that impact men and boys in an open forum.
He’s even set up a special Paypal button “for feminists only.”
Excuse me?
Let’s be clear here: Death threats are bad. Other sorts of threats are bad. Harassment is bad. Shutting down talks given by people you don’t like is bad. Whoever made the threats against AVFM’s conference, feminist or not, deserves to be prosecuted.
But as someone who has never promoted violence or threats of violence or any form of harassment aimed at MRAs, and who has in fact spoken out against this on numerous occasions, I’m not actually responsible, even indirectly, for the threats against AVFM’s conference. (I haven’t even written about the conference before.) And neither is any other feminist who’s “not like that.”
Indeed, the idea that we should bankroll AVFM’s conference is a bit like asking anti-racist activists to fund a KKK rally because someone or other sent threats to the Klan.
AVFM, as I have documented rather throroughly, is a hateful organization motivated by a deeply misogynistic ideology. Its rhetoric is consistently threatening, designed to intimidate opponents into shutting up and going away. Elam himself — the master of the not-quite-legally actionable threat — once famously told one opponent that
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. …
Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can. …
We are coming for you … .
It’s a group whose main form of “activism” has always been harassing individual women; indeed, the Register-Her.com sitte referenced in the above quote (currently offline and being rebuilt) was a phony “offenders registry” that posted the names and some of the personal information of AVFM’s female enemies alongside profiles of serial killers and sexual abusers. AVFM seemed to make a special point of picking vulnerable targets, often college students, evidently feeling that these women would be easier to intimidate.
AVFM has tried to destroy the lives and livelihoods of numerous other enemies, in at least one case through allegedly illegal means.
The site has also participated enthusiastically in misogynistic internet hate-orgies directed at outspoken women like Rebecca Watson and Anita Sarkeesian, women who received and who are still receiving numerous violent threats of rape and murder.
On one occasion, joining up with a hate campaign already heavily populated with white supremacists, Elam targeted a recent college grad for allegedly boasting on her blog that she’s been actively discriminating against white men in her job at the Georgetown Admissions Office. The blog was an obvious hoax and the woman in question had nothing to do with it. Even former KKK leader David Duke realized this before Elam did.
And we can’t forget that AVFM hosted a terrorist manifesto in its activism section for several years, written by Thomas Ball, a Men’s Rights Activist who hoped that his dramatic suicide – he burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse – would inspire other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …
You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
(Emphasis mine.)
AVFM finally removed the manifesto from its “activism” section shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing brought the issue of domestic terrorism back into the limelight. But the site still hosts numerous articles glorifying the author of this manifesto.
Oh, and those associated with AVFM are not above harassing their male critics as well. I get a lot of weird, creepy and threatening emails and comments. It’s rare that the senders are dumb enough to do it under their own name. But that was the case with a creepy and threatening voicemail message I received at 1:38 AM one winter night from a longtime AVFM fan and tireless poster-paster that Elam once described as a “One Man Army” and “an MRA’s MRA.”
And this is the organization that expects feminists like me to pay for its security costs?
I don’t think so.
Hands up all you man-haters.
I know I must be one of these dreadful harpies – the fact that I’m still madly in love with the man I’ve been with for nigh on 40 years is Entirely Irrelevant. Irrelevant I say.
And I like my nephews, and my daughters’ partners. But that’s Irrelevant also. By the time you’ve also discounted all my men friends, you’re left with just the Naked Burning Hatred I exhibit to All Men in the world (apart from the exceptions).
Oops, Peter LaCrap, your misogyny is showing.
Dies of the laughter.
Oops, Peter LaCrap, your misogyny is showing
Opps your stupidity is showing. Get a dictionary and you will find that there is a male and a female sex. And for god’s sake never use the word gender when you are referring to a person because it is a linguistic term.
Oh, Petey, you really are an idiot. But bonus points for entertainment value, this time.
Man: Noun indicating a male human being
Female: Adjective. Of or relating to the sex that can produce young or lay eggs.
Using “men” for men and “females” for women – well done on that other..
Get your own dictionary, sweetie.
^othering. Damn you, typos.
But you didn’t say that you were of the French race. You said that I was racist for mocking your French name and then you came out with some lovely (not really) reverse racism bullshit.
We can scrill back up and see what you wrote, you know.
By the way, I wasn’t mocking your French name. I was mocking you. It shoudl have been obvious but I realise now that you need simple things explained to you.
@Mouse
You should be more like Le Pen because at least she wants to protect her country’s culture and not have it overrun with foreign invaders. Or perhaps you do want that which all I can say is suicidal and warped thinking. If that is truly what you want then there would be no reason for you to object to the Europeans who completely marginalised the Amerindians in the New World.
Do they not have Google on your planet?
Oh wait let’s check a dictionary even
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ableism
Oh shit! The dictionary is probably just racist against French people and also hates men.
@Titian
You are a racist and a gang bully and you let it slip out when you believed that everyone one would attack me. You showed your true colours.You are just as prejudiced as a KKK member. It’s just that you think you’re safe to attack only certain other people. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Creepy post. He keeps saying feeeeemales like he’s a ferengi.
Okaaaay, I’m starting to get sock vibes from Petey boy. Bringing up the KKK is very Erin/Davisish.
Why write ‘females’ instead of ‘women’, Peter LaCroix? I’m honestly quite curious.
Very nice little animal in the US called a Chipmouse. Very cute like a little squirrel. I have to go leave some nuts for them because I see some babies but don’t want them to become too tame. Before I could stop it and run over a nasty cat grabbed one and ran under a bush. I chased it and shook the bush and the cat dropped it before killing it and it ran down a hole to its home.
Um, was that an extended metaphor for something else?
From the Detroit News article (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140602/METRO/306020106/0/METRO/Men-s-rights-conference-Detroit-raises-security-concerns):
Fort Shelby owner Emmett Moten said he wasn’t aware of the conference or threats, but said it’s not unusual for hotels to require additional security.
Is it normal at all for the owner of the hotel not to be aware of a conference that is scheduled there? I mean, of course the manager is more involved in the day-to-day business of things, but surely he/she briefs the owner on a regular basis? Is this conference happening, or have the attendees wasted their money on a hoax?
Why write ‘females’ instead of ‘women’, Peter LaCroix? I’m honestly quite curious.
Because female applies to all members of that sex. Woman means just an adult.Understand, mademoiselle?
@Peter – I’m married to an immigrant, my kids are first-generation U.S.-ians through their father’s side. So, yeah, I’d say I’m okay with “foreign” people entering my country (and one particular “foreign” person entering other things, winkwinknudgenudge).
I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith, Peter, so I probably shouldn’t even answer your “colonialismgotchahahaha!” comment, but on the tiny off chance that you are, here you go:
I’ll be serious for a moment and say that I do have a lot of trouble with my nation’s past. I’m white of predominantly German and Anglo-Irish ancestry; my dad’s side came to what would be the U.S. in the seventeenth century. So any time you talk about Europeans oppressing, enslaving, and marginalizing, my forefathers/mothers were probably up to their elbows in it. Even if I didn’t have an ancestral link to the dirty dealings, I still benefit from the power system they helped set up. Even my husband, whose family didn’t set foot on U.S. soil until the 70’s, benefits. We’re top-drawer because of the color of our skin. It’s not fair, it’s not right. I want our country to have as level as playing field as possible. Unfortunately, I’m still trying to figure out how I can make that happen without succumbing to the Lady Bountiful Is Our Great White Savior complex :/
So no, I’m not threatened by the new, and no, I don’t condone the old even if it has handed me a relatively cushy life. I’m a paradox wrapped in an enigma wearing a pair of glasses, I guess.
Also, Peter, I’m curious as to why you’re so threatened by immigration?
@auggziliary – I think Peter was implying that he scared me away. Instead of, oh, you know, maybe thinking I had to leave to take the kids to school and get some work done?
Peter, French people don’t capitalize letters in the middle of names. And I can say that with great authority, because I am French. Understand, monsieur?
Wow. Fucking weird.
Did peter really just compare the genocide of Native Americans to immigration? Ugh.
From the time the Spaniards conquered Mexico to the present is 500 years.People didn’t just come in and immediately kill everyone. It took a long time and there were many different situations.In many cases they just became outnumbered and had to keep moving away to more isolated areas where there was not enough food.So in a way European immigration was the cause. And in the US there is plenty of land not like in Europe. You may have a billion hectares just in Texas.
@girlscientist:
I would say it’s probably normal enough that owner wouldn’t be aware of specific conferences because, as you say, they are generally not involved in the day-to-day running of the hotel and there’s probably at least one conference a week.
I find it absolutely baffling that a hotel owner would not have been briefed on multiple attacks and death threats against their staff and guests, and not be aware of the specific conference they are related to.
@tinyorc: Or that he/she wouldn’t have told the reporter: “hold on, let me talk to the manager and get back to you with the correct information on this.”
Really? And yet I’m not the one coming on here and lauding Putin, far right wingers and anti-immegration politicians.
One of us is waving the racist flag, sweetie, and it ain’t me.