Well, you have to admit, he’s got chutzpah.
You may have heard that A Voice for Men is sponsoring what it calls the First International Conference on Men’s Issues later this month in Detroit, featuring such notable celebrity speakers as “internationally recognized writer, lecturer and videographer” Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan, “former mental health professional” Paul “Boy Yells A Lot” Elam, Warren “Boys Aren’t Hurt By Incest a Lot” Farrell, and, well, a collection of other equally exciting names.
But there have been some doubts about it happening from the start. It took some time for the AVFMers to sell enough tickets to enable them to cover the costs of the event.
And now it the costs of the event are going up further: according to a letter that Elam has posted to his site, the hotel that will be hosting the conference has gotten “numerous calls and threats” of a violent nature because of the conference, and is demanding that AVFM cover the costs of additional security at the event.
So Elam has decided that feminists should pay some of these costs, in order to prove they’re “not like that.”
The death threats from feminists, in the attempt to silence these esteemed speakers, has resulted in the conference incurring tens of thousands of dollars in additional security costs.
We plan on launching a fundraiser tomorrow to address those needs, but I want to give the feminists who stand by free speech and assert decisively that these thugs do not represent what feminism is about, to have an early shot at helping us address the gender issues that impact men and boys in an open forum.
He’s even set up a special Paypal button “for feminists only.”
Excuse me?
Let’s be clear here: Death threats are bad. Other sorts of threats are bad. Harassment is bad. Shutting down talks given by people you don’t like is bad. Whoever made the threats against AVFM’s conference, feminist or not, deserves to be prosecuted.
But as someone who has never promoted violence or threats of violence or any form of harassment aimed at MRAs, and who has in fact spoken out against this on numerous occasions, I’m not actually responsible, even indirectly, for the threats against AVFM’s conference. (I haven’t even written about the conference before.) And neither is any other feminist who’s “not like that.”
Indeed, the idea that we should bankroll AVFM’s conference is a bit like asking anti-racist activists to fund a KKK rally because someone or other sent threats to the Klan.
AVFM, as I have documented rather throroughly, is a hateful organization motivated by a deeply misogynistic ideology. Its rhetoric is consistently threatening, designed to intimidate opponents into shutting up and going away. Elam himself — the master of the not-quite-legally actionable threat — once famously told one opponent that
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. …
Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can. …
We are coming for you … .
It’s a group whose main form of “activism” has always been harassing individual women; indeed, the Register-Her.com sitte referenced in the above quote (currently offline and being rebuilt) was a phony “offenders registry” that posted the names and some of the personal information of AVFM’s female enemies alongside profiles of serial killers and sexual abusers. AVFM seemed to make a special point of picking vulnerable targets, often college students, evidently feeling that these women would be easier to intimidate.
AVFM has tried to destroy the lives and livelihoods of numerous other enemies, in at least one case through allegedly illegal means.
The site has also participated enthusiastically in misogynistic internet hate-orgies directed at outspoken women like Rebecca Watson and Anita Sarkeesian, women who received and who are still receiving numerous violent threats of rape and murder.
On one occasion, joining up with a hate campaign already heavily populated with white supremacists, Elam targeted a recent college grad for allegedly boasting on her blog that she’s been actively discriminating against white men in her job at the Georgetown Admissions Office. The blog was an obvious hoax and the woman in question had nothing to do with it. Even former KKK leader David Duke realized this before Elam did.
And we can’t forget that AVFM hosted a terrorist manifesto in its activism section for several years, written by Thomas Ball, a Men’s Rights Activist who hoped that his dramatic suicide – he burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse – would inspire other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …
You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
(Emphasis mine.)
AVFM finally removed the manifesto from its “activism” section shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing brought the issue of domestic terrorism back into the limelight. But the site still hosts numerous articles glorifying the author of this manifesto.
Oh, and those associated with AVFM are not above harassing their male critics as well. I get a lot of weird, creepy and threatening emails and comments. It’s rare that the senders are dumb enough to do it under their own name. But that was the case with a creepy and threatening voicemail message I received at 1:38 AM one winter night from a longtime AVFM fan and tireless poster-paster that Elam once described as a “One Man Army” and “an MRA’s MRA.”
And this is the organization that expects feminists like me to pay for its security costs?
I don’t think so.
Naw. I have a creep-dar that’s about as finely tuned as it gets, and you’re pretty much the exact opposite of a creeper, LBT.
See, IDGAF who you have in your system or how you live your life, as long as you’re not using it to manipulate and abuse people.
Well, I guess the article doesn’t explicitly say that but it does say that Occupy Detroit was one of the groups who planned the protest and that she was a member of Occupy Detroit’s facilitation team.
Anyway, if what’s available via Google is anything to go by Emma sounds like a super awesome person and teacher who does not hate men or boys.
Thanks guys. That’s reassuring. Like, I swear, normally I have my act together better, maybe it’s the Rodgers ableism getting to me or something.
At least I can trust Mammotheers to put a boot in my ass if I ever get creepy and assholic! If it happened to DSC and V, it can happen to me.
I dunno, you’d have to try pretty hard, that’s advanced level assholishness.
And now I’m imagining something like the training scenes in Rocky, but with assholishness instead of boxing.
@LBT: “…sometimes, I still feel like I’m just a creeper who’s fooled everyone.”
Don’t we all.
I don’t mean to be flip, but the more I do my own emotional/mental work the more I think one of the things all humans share is the deep dark fear they are a creeper, a leech, a huge failure who has fooled everyone.
I call that feeling my 3:00 am feeling. You know, you can’t sleep, but everyone else is sleeping the sleep of the pure and good and innocent. So you start beating yourself up.
I promise that we would put a boot in your ass if you ever got creepy, as I hope you would do to me if I ever got creepy, but I see very little danger of that ever actually happening.
And ooooh, there’s a writeathon that needs funding! I don’t know how I missed that!
@LBT
I know I’m repeating everyone, but you’re not creepy, and you’re not gross. It bears repeating.
::offers hugs::
it’s getting to me, too, and I don’t even have one of the mental illnesses stereotyped as violent.
RE: cassandrakitty
And now I’m imagining something like the training scenes in Rocky, but with assholishness instead of boxing.
“Abuse that side of ribs! Curse it out!”
“Um… you’re ugly?”
“Come on! Put some effort into it!”
“NOBODY LIKES YOU RIBS!”
“Well, it’s a start.”
RE: bbeaty
the more I do my own emotional/mental work the more I think one of the things all humans share is the deep dark fear they are a creeper, a leech, a huge failure who has fooled everyone.
Honestly, knowing that it’s a common feeling helps a lot. It means it’s not just me.
RE: cloudiah
I promise that we would put a boot in your ass if you ever got creepy,
Thanks. That really does help me feel a whole lot better. Like, knowing there are people to check me before I wreck me, that’s actually a huge relief.
RE: Marie
it’s getting to me, too, and I don’t even have one of the mental illnesses stereotyped as violent.
I know, right? I fucking DREAD when these things come and everyone starts talking about “them crazies” coming for them. It’s just uuuuuurrrrgggh. Elliot Rodgers, why did you not get help?
I worry that I’m abusive and my partner is too scared to tell me, but yeah, this.
LBT — if you ever get creepy I solemnly swear to get Sneak to sic Gigi on you.
DSC and V? Who’s V?
I wonder if this is all tied to imposter syndrome? That’s really common. I know I have it – about my own competence, about Mr K, you name it.
Took me until now to remember what DSC stands for.
I really can’t see you doing anything like zir abusive shit, LBT.
Seconding Argenti, who’s V?
You possibly won’t be surprised that a greater percentage of females suffer from imposter syndrome compared to males.
You’re assuming, of course, that Elam isn’t lying about the threats. Considering his track record, that’s a mighty big assumption.
RE: Argenti
if you ever get creepy I solemnly swear to get Sneak to sic Gigi on you.
These days, Sneak’s big enough to possibly do it zerself! *laughs*
DSC and V? Who’s V?
D’oh. I meant R. My brain phased.
RE: Kittehs
I think it’s pretty common for weird people to feel like frauds. I mean, we’re always depicted as frauds, flakes, or freaks in the media, why wouldn’t we think we have to be one of the above?
I sometimes feel like a fraud,and I worry that I may be presuming on acquaintance.
I think it is very related to impostor syndrome, or maybe comes from the same place.
My (completely unqualified) theory is we all have this ugly voice inside us. You choose to be brave and healthy and find some people you trust and say “Hey, sometimes I feel/think I am a horrible person” and listen to them tell you are not. Or you can choose to listen to the ugly voice and try to run from it or drown it out with destructive behavior.
The part that sucks is that’s not a one-time choice. You have to make that choice over and over — like choosing to eat healthy food or exercise.
Sorry it that was too deep or too full or crap or utter nonsense. It’s late where I am and too close to 3 am for me to tell.
@Bbeaty
You can choose to be healthy? Wtf?
Fuck you. Do I even need to explain this.
Jen Larkin – I gather you’re responding to the OP, not the comments? Because consensus there is that Pauly made the whole thing up, as usual.
LBT:
It’s common for lots of people, weird or otherwise. Look at how often high-achieving women say they don’t feel they really earned their success, for instance, or how people with tons of job experience feel they wouldn’t have a hope of doing X, Y or Z job. It’s the flipside manifestation of Dunning-Kreuger. And yeah, like you said, anyone who’s designated weird is going to cop it even more. I reckon it’s massive socialisation and jerkbrain pulling us down, You can’t do this, you’re not good enough, you’re making it up, you’re just pretending.
So just found this, a petition to classify feminists as terrorists. http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-government-its-time-to-class-feminism-as-a-terrorist-group?share_id=POXGjGOOAK&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
@bbeaty
um, wow.
SORRY IF I CONSIDER TRYING TO STAY ALIVE AND DO SOMETHING THAT WON’T MAKE ME FEEL LIKE SHIT MORE IMPORTANT THAN EATING HEALTHY OR EXERCISING
does that mean I’m ‘choosing to be unhealthy’
gah. Maybe this seems like I’m attacking you. But everything in your post was rubbing me the wrong way.
@hookergal
ah, wuh? Under what logic? Did the mrm start it, or something? I’m so confused and creeped out. -_-
Marie, I’d read “trying to stay alive and do something that won’t make you feel like shit” as exactly what bbeaty’s talking about – trying to do the things that will help you, whatever they are. The eating and exercise comments were analogies, I thought.
I didn’t read “choose to be healthy” as snapping the fingers and wishing away mental or physical illness, but as trying to get help – specifically the parts about telling a trusted person about one’s self-hating or imposter syndrome thoughts, what we were all talking about. It was “try to get help/help yourself” vs “do vile shit instead”, not vs “be ill”.