Most of those in the manosphere, whatever their real feelings, have been relatively circumspect about expressing sympathy with, or support for, Elliot Rodger. Sure, many manospherians – from MRAs to PUAs to MGTOWs – have long been half-warning, half-threatening those of us in the “blue pill” world that angry young men are going to rise up and take a sort of self-styled revenge upon their supposed female and feminist oppressors.
But when one man actually launches a “Day of Retribution” intended to punish the “blonde sluts” of the world (as well as any man who roused his ire or got in his way), most manospherians have tried to change the subject, denying any connection between his ideas and theirs, and in some cases even trying to pretend that the man who wanted to watch all women die in concentration camps wasn’t even a misogynist at all.
That’s not the case over at the CoAlpha Forum, a self-proclaimed “Reactionary Free Speech Forum” given over to a strange and scary patriarchal variant on manosphere ideology.
The main thing keeping the CoAlphas from celebrating Elliot Rodgers as an Incel Hero? He killed too many men – and didn’t “butcher” enough “sorority girls.”
In one thread immediately following the shootings, the CoAlphas wondered why Rodger didn’t kill more women. Cornfed complained:
Fschmidt, one of the site’s administrators, offered a distinct lack of sympathy to the victims, and indeed any victims of any killings in the United States.
Vegeta2 just came out and said it: In his eyes, Elliot would have been a true hero — if he had only killed more women.
Cornfed was also less than impressed with Rodger’s “haul” as a spree killer:
In a second thread started several days after the killings, fschmidt postulated that Elliot Rodger’s real problem was that he was a “man of integrity” who suffered because he was pressured to “try to fit into a depraved culture that he could never really be a part of.”
And suprisingly, he got some pushback from one commenter. Though Moralmoe91 made clear that he “agreed with most of Rodger’s criticisms of: women, society as a whole, and the messed up male/female dynamics that are rampant today,” he just couldn’t agree with the killing, which he thought was wrong because, you know, killing is bad, and also very likely to cause big problems for incels and antifeminists like him.
Fschmidt offered a rather chillingly blase response to Moralmoe91’s contention that killing people was not such a great idea.
I don’t understand the point of condemning his actions. I mean, I don’t approve but I am not particularly against the death of Americans.
In a series of coments, poor Moe did his best to explain to fschmidt that Rodger’s actions might end up hurting him too. And he repeated his apparently quite controversial notion that murder is actually bad.
No dice. Fschmidt was convinced by none of it. Not even the bit about murder.
Murder? Killing is only murder when one kills a member of one’s own culture. Modern Western culture is not my culture, so I do not consider killing its members to be murder.
That may be the creepiest thing I’ve read since Elliot Rodger’s manifesto.
Yeah, I’m thinking Natalie is socking.
RE: Argenti
LBT — okay! The crassula is more like aloe than a pointy cactus though, really weird looking plant! (And if zie can get the African violet to flower, the parent plant flowers pure purple)
Zie is very excited about the challenge. And it took a bit, but zie got the other violet to flower, so I’m sure zie can manage this one too! I’m going to end up living in a greenhouse.
RE: natalie jones
LBT Thank you and ‘watch out for’ I meant ‘know when to avoid’.
…I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking. Are you saying it’s hard to find dates because they worry you’re dangerous? Because you’re worried THEY’RE dangerous? What is it, exactly, that you’re asking about?
natalie jones says
my best advice would be to engage in activities that make you happy. this is very effective for many reasons — you just might find a decent person to date who *coincidentally* enjoys the same activity wherein mutual attraction may ensue. should you not meet said decent person, at least you will be making yourself happy.
my husband and i started dating 19 years ago when we were both in college. i was a returning student, he was 9 years younger, just got out of the army and my brother’s best friend. i was 31 and going through chemo for hodgkins lymphoma. as you would imagine, i neither looked nor felt my best, nor was i looking for romance. my illness was as obvious as anything could be and yet we found many things that we both enjoyed. perhaps my optimism that i would regain my health and overall attitude had a lot to do with things. i know for me, i had already found a man who loved me during sickness and poverty and i did not think twice when he asked me to marry him. he’s spent the last 19 years proving those marriage vows and being the best possible daddy.
somehow, i don’t see that you are actually finding any joy posting here, so why not lay off it? it’s damn hard to find a date when you are actively engaging in solitary activities which bring you no joy. in fact, it’s downright unattractive on a number of levels.
Faux — *claps* congrats to you and the husband! (I may be a bit drunk, but I’m a sucker for happy stories)
Natalie — that phrase seriously underestimates the ability of fish to hang out on the bottom.
Speaking of fish, Puff is getting bigger than large grapes, and the Boston aquarium has some of his species and D’AWWW they’re just as cute full grown. (And I got a list of potential tankmates, so yeah for that)
Also, the fact of the matter is… the “no date problem” basically depends on another person. Sometimes, no matter what you do, no one will want to date you. End stop. That’s part of life.
Incels are particularly bad, I feel, because it’s group people together when they have NOTHING IN COMMON. It’s literally grouping people together not because they have something, but that they DON’T have something. I might as well try and make an identity out of people who don’t have cars.
Incel seems to be an identity people really put a lot of stock in, and resist giving up that emotional tie and resentment at all costs. (See: GGG.) It seems to be that the only way NOT to be incel is to be having sex whenever you want it with someone exactly according to your taste, and… that’s just not reasonable. I’m fucking married, and I don’t get sex whenever I want it!
Fuck that noise.
Not proud. Just sayin’ trollin’ here is easy like sunday mornin’.
Argenti: pix? He must be getting easier to photograph now. She? Zie?
Ally: I looked up the requirements for charitable organization, because I wanted to be able to issue tax receipts for my arts group. We aren’t charitable. CAFE is ostensibly be doing work that is benefiting the public. They say they’re trying to improve men’s lives.
I feel fairly confident that there are enough undeluded people at CRA that their annual reporting will be looked at VERY closely.
What the CRA says about who can be a registered charity:
@LBT
agreed on the incel club. it is the equivalent of going to your ‘not stamp collecting’ hobby club (with props to penn & teller).
@Argenti
thank you 🙂 my point was that decent folk are not immediately horrified at the prospect of dating sick people, be it mental, physical, visible or not. it’s also a happy story with a good ending.
LBT — Puff’s been dubbed a he to even out my tanks as his tank is under the one with my gorgeous girls in it (my cories, a couple of the females have STUNNING colors).
I can try getting pix, problem is that he refuses to remotely hold still. Might be able to get some while he’s eating though. He gorged on brine shrimp earlier, so maybe Tuesday I’ll give him a treat and see if he’ll stay in one place to eat it!
Natalie,
Trolling is easy everywhere on the internet. It’s sure a lot easier than contributing something meaningful to the conversation.
Trolls are sad and pathetic. Why you’re all hyped about being an asshole, I have no clue. If you think we’re upset by it, we’re not. We’ve had better. But we feed trolls till they burst here so I guess you can keep making an ass out of yourself if that’s your thing. I suggest you come up with some more entertaining material. Step up your game a bit.
faux, lovely to hear your and your husband’s story! Like Argenti, I’m a sucker for those.
You nailed it about trolls:
Yeah, if the closest they come to joy or pleasure is trying to anger, distress or just annoy other people – well, golly gee, what a surprise that nobody wants to date them.
Yes, lovely is the perfect word to describe Faux’s story. It’s nice to hear about something that is, well, nice, for a change.
I think “Natalie” needs a glass of milk and beddy bye.
A guy with mommy issues that blames every single person in life for his problems shouldn’t be blaming women for all his problems. He was obviously frustrated with life and never had the skills to even make a friend, yet he was given so many opportunities. The people on this website are just sad.
But no teddy bear. Teddy bears deserve better.
OK, no teddy. But maybe a security blanket?
Probably a good idea.
@caamib:
Hmm – there’s someone on the CoAlpha forums going by the name “caamib” who has GGG’s old avatar and links to GGG’s current blog. Indeed, someone else refers to it as “your site”.
Naturally, I’m sure this is just a very unfortunate coincidence – but as a friendly word of advice to our new visitor, if you don’t want to be mistaken for a man who begs for pity fucks with his mother, you might want to stop spouting drivel about how all women can get instant relationships with the merest snap of their fingers. Because that’s a bit of a tell right there.
(Not least of the fact that you’ve barely spoken to a real flesh-and-blood woman in your life.)
Hey, his mom is a woman! And so is the cop who, iirc, arrested him for trying to nag her into having sex with him on account of it’s her duty as a person who’s vowed to protect and serve. Yeah, that plan didn’t go so well, but hey, being put in handcuffs counts as physical contact, right?
Oh! I almost forgot, he met a woman who was a therapist too.
Her : So, how can I help you feel better about yourself?
Him : You could fuck me
Her : No, actually, I couldn’t. I don’t want to either. So, how about we talk about your…
Him : Murderer! You are literally murdering me by not having sex with me!
And then he went and protested outside some government building. Super effective activist powers go!
I used to call these MRA’s assholes, but then I thought about it a bit more and realized that that was an insult to a human organ that does a great job of regulating our excretion of poop. It’s about time that we gave the human asshole the respect it deserves and stop denigrating it by calling MRA’s “assholes.” MRA’s aren’t assholes, they’re ASS CANCER.
Has anyone contacted the Dark Lord about the multitude of socks on this thread?
I did about Natalie; she seems to have her own blog of incel ridiculousness. Don’t know about the others.
@friday jones
I think calling them ‘shit’ would also work: they’re repulsive, toxic, and must be excreted to prevent harm to the body.
Argenti:
“Lingua Latina non mortua est; sed contemplacit pro fiordis”
– some random latinist on the Internet (don’t blame the errors on me, I’m just parroting)