Most of those in the manosphere, whatever their real feelings, have been relatively circumspect about expressing sympathy with, or support for, Elliot Rodger. Sure, many manospherians – from MRAs to PUAs to MGTOWs – have long been half-warning, half-threatening those of us in the “blue pill” world that angry young men are going to rise up and take a sort of self-styled revenge upon their supposed female and feminist oppressors.
But when one man actually launches a “Day of Retribution” intended to punish the “blonde sluts” of the world (as well as any man who roused his ire or got in his way), most manospherians have tried to change the subject, denying any connection between his ideas and theirs, and in some cases even trying to pretend that the man who wanted to watch all women die in concentration camps wasn’t even a misogynist at all.
That’s not the case over at the CoAlpha Forum, a self-proclaimed “Reactionary Free Speech Forum” given over to a strange and scary patriarchal variant on manosphere ideology.
The main thing keeping the CoAlphas from celebrating Elliot Rodgers as an Incel Hero? He killed too many men – and didn’t “butcher” enough “sorority girls.”
In one thread immediately following the shootings, the CoAlphas wondered why Rodger didn’t kill more women. Cornfed complained:
Fschmidt, one of the site’s administrators, offered a distinct lack of sympathy to the victims, and indeed any victims of any killings in the United States.
Vegeta2 just came out and said it: In his eyes, Elliot would have been a true hero — if he had only killed more women.
Cornfed was also less than impressed with Rodger’s “haul” as a spree killer:
In a second thread started several days after the killings, fschmidt postulated that Elliot Rodger’s real problem was that he was a “man of integrity” who suffered because he was pressured to “try to fit into a depraved culture that he could never really be a part of.”
And suprisingly, he got some pushback from one commenter. Though Moralmoe91 made clear that he “agreed with most of Rodger’s criticisms of: women, society as a whole, and the messed up male/female dynamics that are rampant today,” he just couldn’t agree with the killing, which he thought was wrong because, you know, killing is bad, and also very likely to cause big problems for incels and antifeminists like him.
Fschmidt offered a rather chillingly blase response to Moralmoe91’s contention that killing people was not such a great idea.
I don’t understand the point of condemning his actions. I mean, I don’t approve but I am not particularly against the death of Americans.
In a series of coments, poor Moe did his best to explain to fschmidt that Rodger’s actions might end up hurting him too. And he repeated his apparently quite controversial notion that murder is actually bad.
No dice. Fschmidt was convinced by none of it. Not even the bit about murder.
Murder? Killing is only murder when one kills a member of one’s own culture. Modern Western culture is not my culture, so I do not consider killing its members to be murder.
That may be the creepiest thing I’ve read since Elliot Rodger’s manifesto.
Well, I mean, did a woman ever come up and offer him a house just because she felt bad for having previously denied him one? And is the house inside her vagina?
RE: katz
Now I’m imagining some dude going from couch surfing to an apartment with roommates to an apartment by himself to owning a house and identifying as “homeless” the whole time.
What’s saddening is that I’m POSITIVE someone has done this at some point. And then you have the really pretentious “homeless by choice” people… (This is not to disparage people of such a temperament they can handle unorthodox housing arrangements; some people really seem happiest with their mobile home or their remodeled schoolbus or roughing it. Just don’t pretend everyone can do what you can.)
RE: cassandrakitty
And is the house inside her vagina?
Psh. I WISH I had a house up there. Fucking thing would’ve been really goddamn useful! Hell, I woulda settled for just having a fucking TENT up in there!
LBT – journeys, hmm. ::tries to think of not-totally-predictable- story to fit theme::
That’s a whole different sort of pegging, then.
Kittehserf wins the thread.
Thank you, thank you. I’ll be here all week.
This keeps coming up buried with the rest of the ableism, and it bugs me. Yes he was prescribed a drug that is usually used as an antipsychotic. So am I. As a sleeping pill. Think the ableist crowd can refrain from using the script as “proof” of psychosis? (Probably not…)
Minor peeve. I’ll return the thread to it’s rightful owner now. Take it away Kitteh!
I concur with katz. It wins. (Although it mostly unfortunately reminds me of the Ann McCaffery tent peg WTF moment.)
And don’t bust your brain, Kittehs! You can make whatever prompt you like.
ARGENNNNTTTIIIII
::curtseys::
I’ll bow out on a high note, for the moment. Louis wants to do some writing, and I need to get on with my knitting after that. Back later!
Hi LBT!!! We should work out the details of getting you Sneak’s plant, the plants are out of the terrarium and doing fine, I wanna give it a bit before shipping, but yep, Sneak’s getting zir plant!
@kittehserf who says
thank you, ever so kindly. it is always nice to feel welcomed when first posting. i hope that my avoidance of the key will not be overly annoying. my financial well being once relied upon being able to press 120 keys per minute, with a dork ass boss lurking behind me trying to glance down my blouse. years later, i take perverse pride in not fulfilling all of my keystroke duties.
hmmmm….. i can see that i inadvertently used some html code which made the word ‘shift’ disappear while attempting to describe the ‘shift’ key.
RE: Argenti
We should work out the details of getting you Sneak’s plant, the plants are out of the terrarium and doing fine, I wanna give it a bit before shipping, but yep, Sneak’s getting zir plant!
Sneak is incredibly excited. At the moment, zie has a basil and an African violet, both of which are blooming and happy. Zie desires more for zer little window sill garden. (What was it you were giving zer again? I’ve forgotten…)
…an African violet. I can send a crassula gollum along too if zie wants some variety?
Well, exactly how does one fix this no date problem? I mean, most guys don’t want a mentally disabled that their going to have to watch out for as perspective date.
natalie I suspect you’re intentionally being an asshole with that last statement, piss off.
Also, it’s prospective
Fer crissake. No date?
Wash your hair, clean your teeth, shine your shoes.
Join a theatre/ gaming/ hiking/ /chess/ guerrilla gardening group or any other club or activity where you might find people you like who might like you. Be polite to everyone. In your case that might mean keeping your mouth shut for hours at a time.
Whatever. Just get on with your life.
Anyone think “Natalie” is another sock?
Ooh, I have an idea! If you DON’T have a date, and you WANT a date, why not go on a site specifically created to mock misogyny, in a thread where misogynists have said things so vile as to make the regulars physically ill, to ask for advice? What could possibly go wrong?
RE: Argenti
Somehow, I am sure Sneak would not mind having another African violet. Zer current one has white flowers with just a touch of light purple. Sneak is also deeply excited by the thought of a crassula gollum; zie’s never had a cactus before. (Unless you count aloe, I guess.)
RE: natalie jones
exactly how does one fix this no date problem? I mean, most guys don’t want a mentally disabled that their going to have to watch out for as perspective date.
As a mentally disabled person myself, I can assure you that there are guys to date who aren’t assholes. Some of them are also mentally disabled, and some of them aren’t. Frankly, I would see the datelessness as more a side effect of the massive ableism in society, rather than its own problem that the incels seem to make it out to be.
Also, my husband has never had to “watch out for” me. I’m a grown man, for Chrissakes. I can watch out for myself, or swap off so I can watch out for him. (Just because someone’s sane doesn’t mean they don’t get worn out! For instance, hubby totally overdid it at Pride yesterday, and has been resting all today, poor thing.)
LBT — okay! The crassula is more like aloe than a pointy cactus though, really weird looking plant! (And if zie can get the African violet to flower, the parent plant flowers pure purple)
LBT Thank you and ‘watch out for’ I meant ‘know when to avoid’.
As for the rest of you.
*slow clap*
Like shooting fish in a barrel (if you get my drift).
What the fuck are you on about Natalie? You’re proud that you got mocked on a mockery site you’ve been trolling? Whatever floats your boat I guess.