Most of those in the manosphere, whatever their real feelings, have been relatively circumspect about expressing sympathy with, or support for, Elliot Rodger. Sure, many manospherians – from MRAs to PUAs to MGTOWs – have long been half-warning, half-threatening those of us in the “blue pill” world that angry young men are going to rise up and take a sort of self-styled revenge upon their supposed female and feminist oppressors.
But when one man actually launches a “Day of Retribution” intended to punish the “blonde sluts” of the world (as well as any man who roused his ire or got in his way), most manospherians have tried to change the subject, denying any connection between his ideas and theirs, and in some cases even trying to pretend that the man who wanted to watch all women die in concentration camps wasn’t even a misogynist at all.
That’s not the case over at the CoAlpha Forum, a self-proclaimed “Reactionary Free Speech Forum” given over to a strange and scary patriarchal variant on manosphere ideology.
The main thing keeping the CoAlphas from celebrating Elliot Rodgers as an Incel Hero? He killed too many men – and didn’t “butcher” enough “sorority girls.”
In one thread immediately following the shootings, the CoAlphas wondered why Rodger didn’t kill more women. Cornfed complained:
Fschmidt, one of the site’s administrators, offered a distinct lack of sympathy to the victims, and indeed any victims of any killings in the United States.
Vegeta2 just came out and said it: In his eyes, Elliot would have been a true hero — if he had only killed more women.
Cornfed was also less than impressed with Rodger’s “haul” as a spree killer:
In a second thread started several days after the killings, fschmidt postulated that Elliot Rodger’s real problem was that he was a “man of integrity” who suffered because he was pressured to “try to fit into a depraved culture that he could never really be a part of.”
And suprisingly, he got some pushback from one commenter. Though Moralmoe91 made clear that he “agreed with most of Rodger’s criticisms of: women, society as a whole, and the messed up male/female dynamics that are rampant today,” he just couldn’t agree with the killing, which he thought was wrong because, you know, killing is bad, and also very likely to cause big problems for incels and antifeminists like him.
Fschmidt offered a rather chillingly blase response to Moralmoe91’s contention that killing people was not such a great idea.
I don’t understand the point of condemning his actions. I mean, I don’t approve but I am not particularly against the death of Americans.
In a series of coments, poor Moe did his best to explain to fschmidt that Rodger’s actions might end up hurting him too. And he repeated his apparently quite controversial notion that murder is actually bad.
No dice. Fschmidt was convinced by none of it. Not even the bit about murder.
Murder? Killing is only murder when one kills a member of one’s own culture. Modern Western culture is not my culture, so I do not consider killing its members to be murder.
That may be the creepiest thing I’ve read since Elliot Rodger’s manifesto.
Well, we have screenshots of a member calling murder victims skanks and nerds, Claribella cited one guy comparing women intellectually to dogs because of our gray-to-white brain matter ratio, David quoted their original mission statement in which they seem to regard wives as chattel, and several people quoted the site admin as pulling his ideals for moral from archaic religious ideas in which he does not believe. Oh, and then there’s the one guy who came over to stand by his assertion that more dead women = more better.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but that kind of rich environment does sound tempting! If only I weren’t married already to a guy who actually thinks I’m his equal 🙁
Well, the stuff from FSchmidt is pretty depressing, but this cheered me up a bit; the Guardian has an article about Rodger written by a 23 year old guy who has not yet been in a sexual relationship:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/23-year-old-virgin-elliot-rodger-sex
‘First, no person deserves sex; we’re not born with the right to be able take from another person’s body that which we desire. Sex is an experience people have with one another, not an achievement to which one is entitled. You don’t unlock sex. It must be consensually earned – and anything short of that is rape.’
In the echo chamber that is the internet it is nice to see that that forums like this usually have fewer then a dozen active members and only half of those account for most of the posts.
Also I can’t be the only to see the strange narcissism that is on display in the MRM’s incel community. May I purpose an alternative to the term “incel” ? How about “lonar” for lonely narcissist? Its both more accurate and is cute play on the word “loner”.
What?
Naaah.
Because mental illness and cards of some sort, arglebargle *mumble*….
Apparently keeping a slave is only wrong because you’ll go to prison if you get caught? Ick. Barf. Not enough nope llamas and octopi in the world to cover this.
I feel bad for every woman in Mexico knowing he’s targeting them.
Hmm I wonder why foreign women are afraid and often disgusted by American men…
These guys should go join the Boko Harram. They seem to have alot in common.
These assholes are Ariel Castro wannabes. They’re twisted, pathetic, dangerous, misogynist cockroaches and law enforcement should be keeping an eye on each and every one of them.
“Murder is wrong” is kinda like Ethics 101.
If someone fails to grasp this pretty simple concept, then they have completely and utterly failed as a human being.
This is very frightening.
Waits for misogynistic asswipe to come along and tell us not to worry, these guys are only talking on the internet and not IRL, NAMALT.
Offering my bunnies as brain bleach.
http://imgur.com/mVZHuqD
Have any of you ever seen that film with Elizabeth Olsen called Martha Marcy May Marlene?
A young woman escapes a misogynist cult and finds refuge with her sister. She struggles to understand that she’s in fact suffering from PTSD.
These guys sound like they’re aspiring to be the cult in that film. The male cultists even created a sort of ritualized rape that was used to indoctrinate the women. Creepy, creepy stuff. And these guys look at that as utopia.
“Whaatt nooo! #NotAllMen
Don’t worry, we’re not all like that. Why are you putting us all in one category? Those are just stupid men, they are the minority. There’s a lot of misandry too!”
“Why are you whining about something that’s on the internet when women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive?”
“Why do you always talk about misogyny? It’s not like there aren’t millions of feminazis who hate and oppress men.”
“Feeemales, stop oppressing men with your tits and butts! Misandry!”
I’m really bad at imitating trolls, lol.
Those guys are weapons-grade adorable, bunnybunny. 🙂
That’s cool. I didn’t need to ever leave my house again, anyway.
You weren’t being serious? I thought it seemed plausible.
Although it has a potential advantage: if one of these assholes did manage to kidnap someone, they probably wouldn’t be able to resist bragging about it on their forums.
Ooh, that is a conundrum, Mousie! You really ought to be with a man who understands your value as a sexbot and homemaker, but divorcing your current husband would make you a hypergamous skank. What’s a gal to do?!
Its good (though depressingly rare on that thread, it seems) that moralmoe is opposed to elliots actions, but he still has to emphazise that it might affect the manosphere negatively in order to get a somewhat positive response, and they still disagree with him!
*cue random* WWTH — not the octopi, octopode, octopus debate!! Sea beasties, just call them sea beasties!
Relatedly, the cuttlefish at the Boston aquarium are still wee little ones and the HUGE center tank is done.
Well, emilygoddess, I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t. I guess I must accept my fate gracefully. So I’ve already donned my penitential sackcloth (I’m going to skip the ashes in my hair – I just washed it, and besides, what do you expect from a sub-human ruined Western woman anyway?). I’m off to sit quietly on the corner of my rooftop, atoning for the fact that I’m not worthy to feel true love – exacting, oppressive, authoritarian love.
Or maybe I’ll go make some cookies for my kids and freeze a batch to bake for my husband when he gets home from his work trip. He deserves a treat, merely for being his awesome self and not one of those ^ guys.
Uh oh. I didn’t even know there was a debate! 😀
Having taken Latin in high school my impulse is always to pluralize any ‘us’ word as ‘i’
I like to say walri for plural of walrus even though I know it isn’t correct.
Another Latin fan! *high five*
As for wrong Latin, well, Aertheri and pecunium. Wrong Latin seems to be a trend around here!
More than one Elvis = Elvi.
That much I know.
WWTH, the octopus debate is one of those conversations that ought to be interesting but inexplicably just makes everyone annoyed.
@PeterLaCroix
If you are suggesting fschmidt could be a black girl, I think not.
Your argument seems to boil down to the old MRAs etc are harmless until they do something at which point they become psychos, not misogynists, therefore misogyny is harmless.
Yet again it’s the fault of us terrible, terrible wominz and couldn’t possibly be that these menz are psycho .
Chris Wilson,
You got it exactly. Misogyny isn’t a problem until it is, then it isn’t misogyny anymore. So, women should just shut up.
Ugh. Is there no end to the ableist misogyny apologia trolls? They each are so sure they’re saying something new interesting and worthwhile too.
In theory there could be a few women that pose as misogynistic men for trolling purposes. But considering the sheer amount of misogyny and racism in the manosphere, it is extremely unlikely that any significant number of them are black women. Occam’s razor and all.
Not this bullshit again. He wanted to put women into concentration camps and watch us all starve to death. If that’s not misogyny what is? The fact that he resented men who were better with women does absolutely nothing to detract from his misogyny. Judging from what people like you say he could have actually put millions of women in concentration camps and you’d still be dreaming up excuses for his misogyny.
If you couldn’t even bother to look up the legal definition of insanity why are you making speculations about it? Is it that hard to look up? The fact that he planned his crime and even posted a manifesto rules out legal insanity. There is absolutely zero evidence he had a psychotic break at the time of the crime or at any other time. Why are you presenting your opinion with such great authority if you could even take the time to look up the definitions of legal insanity or psychosis. If you could find your way here, you could probably figure out how to use Google.
Misogyny is completely normal. I’m guessing from your user name that you are a man and haven’t experienced it for yourself. Rodgers sounded just like every guy in the manosphere. He didn’t even sound very far off from “Nice Guys” who have been “friendzoned.” If misogyny and male entitlement isn’t a normal everyday thing, why do you think #YesAllWomen was such a huge thing?