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Is The Mankind Initiative's #ViolenceIsViolence video a fraud?

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The ManKind Initiative, a UK organization devoted to fighting domestic violence against men, recently put out a video that’s been getting a lot of attention in the media and online, racking up more than six million views on YouTube in a little over a week.

The brief video, titled #ViolenceIsViolence, purports to depict the radically different reactions of bystanders to staged incidents of domestic violence between a couple in a London plaza. When the man was the aggressor, shoving the woman and grabbing her face, bystanders intervened and threatened to call the police. When the woman was the aggressor, the video shows bystanders laughing, and no one does a thing.

The video has been praised by assorted Men’s Rights Activists, naturally enough, but it has also gotten uncritical attention in some prominent media outlets as well, from Marie Claire to the Huffington Post.

There’s just one problem: The video may be a fraud, using deceptive editing to distort incidents that may well have played out quite differently in real life.

A shot-by-shot analysis of the video from beginning to end reveals that the first “incident” depicted is actually a composite of footage shot of at least two separate incidents, filmed on at least three different times of day and edited together into one narrative.

A careful viewing of the video also reveals that many of the supposed “reaction shots” in the video are not “reaction shots” at all, but shots taken in the same plaza at different times and edited in as if they are happening at the same time as the staged “incidents” depicted.

Moreover, none of the people depicted as laughing at the second incident are shown in the same frame as the fighting couple. There is no evidence that any of them were actually laughing at the woman attacking the man.

The editing tricks used in the video were brought to my attention by a reader who sent me a link to a blog entry by Miguel Lorente Acosta, a Professor of Legal Medicine at the University of Granada in Spain, and a Government Delegate for Gender Violence in Spain’s Ministry of Equality. He goes through the video shot by shot, showing each trick for what it is.

The post in Spanish, and his argument is a little hard to follow through the filter of Google Translate, so I will offer my own analysis of the video below, drawing heavily on his post. (His post is still worth reading, as he covers several examples of deceptive editing I’ve left out.)

I urge you to watch the video above through once, then follow me through the following analysis.

The first “incident” is made up of footage taken at three distinct times, if not more. The proof is in the bench.

In the opening shot of the video, we see an overview of the plaza. We see two people sitting on a bench, a man in black to the left and a woman in white to the right, with a trash can to the right of them. (All of these lefts and rights are relative to us, the viewers.) The trash can has an empty green bag hanging off of it.

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As the first incident begins, we see the same bench, only now we see two women sitting where the man was previously sitting. The trash can now has a full bag of trash sitting next to it.

vv2bench

In this shot, showing bystanders intervening in what is portrayed as the same fight, and supposedly depicting a moment in time only about 30 seconds after the previous shot, we see that the two women on the bench have been replaced by two men, one in a suit and the other in a red hoodie. The full trash bag has been removed, and the trash can again has an empty trash bag hanging off of it.

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Clearly this portion of the video does not depict a single incident.

What about the reaction shots? The easiest way to tell that the reaction shots in the video did not chronologically follow the shots that they come after in the video is by looking at the shadows. Some of the video was shot when the sky was cloudy and shadows were indistinct. Other shots were taken in direct sunlight. In the video, shots in cloudy weather are followed immediately by shots in roughly the same location where we see bright sunlight and clear shadows.

Here’s one shot, 9 seconds in. Notice the lack of clear shadows; the shadow of the sitting woman is little more than a vague smudge.

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Here’s another shot from less than a second later in the same video – the timestamp is still at 9 seconds in. Now the plaza is in direct sunlight and the shadows are sharp and distinct.

vvbright

If you watch the video carefully, you can see these sorts of discontinuities throughout. It seems highly unlikely that the various reaction shots actually depict reactions to what they appear to be reactions to. Which wouldn’t matter if this were a feature film; that’s standard practice. But this purports to be a depiction of real incidents caught on hidden camera and presented as they happened in real time.

The issue of non-reaction reaction shots is especially important when it comes to the second incident. In the first incident, we see a number of women, and one man, intervening to stop the violence. There is no question that’s what’s going on, because we see them in the same frame as the couple.

In the second incident, none of the supposed laughing onlookers ever appear in the same frame as the fighting couple. We have no proof that their laughter is in fact a reaction to the woman attacking the man. And given the dishonest way that the video is edited overall, I have little faith that they are real reaction shots.

The people who are in frame with the fighting couple are either trying resolutely to ignore the incident – as many of the onlookers also did in the first incident – or are clearly troubled by it.

I noticed one blonde woman who looked at first glance like she might have been laughing, but after pausing the video it became clear that she was actually alarmed and trying to move out of the way.

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There is one other thing to note about the two incidents. In the first case, the onlookers didn’t intervene until after the man escalated his aggression by grabbing the woman by her face. In the second video, the screen fades to black shortly after the woman escalates her aggression to a similar level. We don’t know what, if anything, happened after that.

Is it possible that the first part of the video, despite being a composite of several incidents, depicts more or less accurately what happened each time the video makers tried this experiment? Yes. Is it possible that onlookers did indeed laugh as the woman attacked the man? Yes.

But there is only one way for The ManKind Initiative to come clean and clear up any suspicion: they need to post the unedited, time-stamped footage of each of the incidents they filmed from each of their three cameras so we can see how each incident really played out in real time and which, if any, of the alleged reactions were actual reactions.

In addition to the editing tricks mentioned above, we don’t know if the video makers edited out portions of the staged attacks that might have influenced how the bystanders reacted.

The video makers should also post the footage of the incidents that they did not use for the advert, so we can see if reactions to the violence were consistently different when the genders of attackers and victims were switched. Two incidents make up a rather small sample – even if one of these incidents is actually two incidents disguised as one.

Domestic violence against men is a real and serious problem. But you can’t fight it effectively with smoke and mirrors.

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titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

Oh, but Kittehserf, it’s so important that Anand find his definitive proof on whether some MRAs are not misogynists and whether all feminists are manhaters. Because he is the information-meister.

And, of course, there must be special laws about DV against men. Because domestic violence against men is so much worse than domestic violence against women. So the gender-neutral laws that we already have just aren’t adequate to deal with the dreadfulness of DV against men. I mean, I know all the facts show that DV against men is statistically rare and less severe than that against women but look at that (possibly faked) video. Men get laughed at! how can that not be worse than women getting killed? They get laughed at in videos! We must pass laws immediately.

Addendum 1 for clarity: All DV is horrible and should be illegal. DV against men is no different from DV against any gender in its hatefulness. The lesser statistical frequency and severity does not make any DV against any man less awful or horrific.

Addendum f2 or clarity: Fuck off, Anand.

Fade
10 years ago

Dismantling the patriarchy is not easy because many people still hold on to it.

and you benefit from it, being a man. Even if it causes you some problems, it also gives you privilege. So you are less invested in this than I am. That way, you can just throw up your hands and say “welp too hard not gonna bother”, whereas women have no choice.

You “know” many people would laugh at a male victim. But you think they wouldn’t at a female victim? You know a good male victims of DV campaign? One that doesn’t need to have ‘selective editing’ to prove it’s point and doesn’t twist how people react to female victims. Your choice is not ‘no awareness’ or ‘fakey twisted edited awareness’. You can actually have *good* awareness for male DV victims without twisting the facts.

FFS you’re so…. ignorant.

“patriarchy or not the laws should be equal”

and is there a law that says men can’t be victims of DV, FFS? you are fighting a strawman

kittehserf
10 years ago

What we can do is use laws and give the authorities, cops and investigating officers the proper training to identify the victim without assuming the woman is the victim in all scenarios.

Keeerist, you’re dumber than dog vomit. The authorities are part of the patriarchal system. They don’t operate in a vacuum.

Also, go fuck a cactus with your insinuation that female victims are taken seriously and male ones aren’t. Two girls are gang raped and murdered in India and the reaction from politicians is “boys will be boys”. The victim in Steubenville was raped on video and still wasn’t believed. Julie Ramage was murdered by her filth husband after years of him abusing her and he got away with a mere manslaughter sentence because he claimed she “provoked” him by saying he was no good in bed. No word other than his that that ever happened, no notion from the courts that even if he wasn’t lying, that it was not a mitigating factor in murder.

3% of rapists ever go to court. Three in a hundred. You think women are believed? You think the vast predominance of men as perpertrators of violence is something to be handwaved away?

You’re a fucking moron, utterly without any moral compass or ethics.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

TIL that obviously fake things attempting to drum up support for a cause really do drum up support for that cause, rather than being dismissed as obviously fake and possibly making people regard the non-fakers trying to drum up support for the same cause with more suspicion.

kittehserf
10 years ago

You’re in a private place, dipshit, and the regulars have made it clear you’re not welcome.

How fucking stupid are you, wanting to hang around where you’re despised? Whacking off to the idea of imposing yourself on women who don’t want you around, are you? It wouldn’t surprise me at all.

That, chickenshit, is what trolls do.

Also, you can always ban me and i will promptly leave.

LOL you don’t actually know what banning means, do you? You don’t get a choice in the matter.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

its no secret that male victims of dv are taken less seriously by people

Citation needed. As well as proof that it makes any material difference.

BECAUSE:

You have already been given links to data proving that:

Male victims of DV report more frequently, after less severe incidents and sooner than female victims.

Female victims are more likely to suffer repeated incidents, significant injuries and/or be killed than male victims.

Female perpetrators are more likely to be prosecuted than male perpetrators.

Sp tell me again why DV against men is so much more urgent and important a problem?

PS Sorry for the gender binary but Anand doesn’t seem to cope with reality.

WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
10 years ago

Anand, I don’t think you quite understand what patriarchy is – laws don’t help a great deal in weakening or dismantling it, it’s to do with societal and cultural attitudes towards gender that are unconsciously adopted by those within it. DV isn’t taken seriously among men because patriarchy dictates that that doesn’t happen to men – men are the strong ones, so any type of victimisation that happens is because the man is weak, and therefore worthy of contempt.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Anyone else think Anand’s hand-waving about women victims comes *this close* to apologia?

Fade
10 years ago

@kittehserf

IDK exactly what i’d call it, but it is dismissive and creepy

Anand
Anand
10 years ago

I got so caught up that in the argument that i didnt notice the pattern. One person makes a logical allegation againat me which i respond to logically and then another person tells me to “fuck off” and when i leave, the cycle repeats itself. If you’re so insistent on making me look like the bad guy then go ahead. Funny thing is the initial poster never responds while others keep insulting me. Fine, im whatever you think i am. Have a good day.

WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
10 years ago

Good lord, has he actually gone now?

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

One person makes a logical allegation againat me which i respond to logically

Citation needed, sweetie, cos so far all we’ve had are your unsupported opinions.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

@gravitas (is that okay as a shortening? Tell me if not & I won’t use it), we should be so lucky.
Anand has already pulled the “I won’t go unless you ban me” BS.

WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
10 years ago

@titianblue, Nah, that’s fine – picking an Ian M. Banks ship name as my nym was always going to be lengthy, so shortening is hunky-dory.
And yeah, thinking back, he’s said he’s leaving many times before this. Bugger.

kittehserf
10 years ago

If you’re so insistent on making me look like the bad guy then go ahead.

We don’t have to. You’re a creepy little loser, which is bog-standard for trolls.

You’re so invested in preserving your male privilege – that you dismiss everything said to you. You’re also either so willfully stupid or so disingenuous that you claim to believe there’s any equivilancy between the position that women are human beings who should have the same legal and social rights and respect that men do (ie. feminism) and the position that women shouldn’t have any of those rights, shouldn’t even have the basic right to safety (MRM and the other misogynist groups).

You have nothing of value to add to this or any conversation, because you’ve made it very clear you don’t really think of women are people. You might not be smart enough to realise that, but we’ve seen sooooo many troll here, and you’re not at all unusual. The only one agreeing with you is an out-and-proud misogynist who’s admitted in the past he enjoys victimising people. Think about the sort of support you’re getting. It’s like the company you keep. But think about it elsewhere, because you’re not going to get your precious fee-fees coddled here, sonny.

historophilia
10 years ago

Hey Titianblue? Do you know roughly where in the comments these links were posted? Because this data would be really useful to have and I can’t find where in the comments they were posted:

You have already been given links to data proving that:

Male victims of DV report more frequently, after less severe incidents and sooner than female victims.

Female victims are more likely to suffer repeated incidents, significant injuries and/or be killed than male victims.

Female perpetrators are more likely to be prosecuted than male perpetrators.

Sp tell me again why DV against men is so much more urgent and important a problem?

historophilia
10 years ago

Oh hey block quotes worked!

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

@historophilia,

They’re part of a Guardian article posted by Stevie, on the first page of comments:

https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-500003

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

Karen Ingala-Smith also has a relevant blog post about this:

http://kareningalasmith.com/2013/04/29/this-thing-about-male-victims/

Polly
Polly
10 years ago

Interesting what the old Director, David Hughes of Mankind initiative (now a Trustee) said about women back in 2007.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/men-left-clear-up-detritus-2237022

historophilia
10 years ago

@titianblue, thank you!

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I know what paul elam has done and said. Its not as if i treat him as my primary source of information. Maybe you’re right, maybe im wrong. Its something i want to find out on my own.

Is Paul Elam’s post (that he reposted years later) about turning DV awareness month in “bash a violent b*tch month” enough to disturb you?

Maybe this video may have been subject to selective editing but i really hope that doesn’t erase the message it sends. DV against men is a real and serious problem and blaming it on the patriarchy alone solves nothing. Cheers.

So, you think violence against men is a real and serious problem and violence against women isn’t a real serious and problem right? If you thought violence against women was a real problem you would not be defending Paul Elam by staying neutral about him. Can you find an equivalent post on this site in which David asks us to run MRAs over with our cars? No you can’t. Because it doesn’t exist. That you can pretend Elam isn’t a violence promoting misogynist makes you by default a misogynist. No matter how much you deny it.

Btw, this video has nothing whatsoever to do with the law or the police. This video has to do with bystander effect. The laws already gender neutral. Assault is always illegal. Are you saying you want to change the law to privilege male victims over female victims?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Does anyone know if the MRAs have ever discussed the domestic violence between Johnny Weir and his husband? I’ve never seen it. Probably because there’s no evil wimmenz to blame here and they don’t care about gay men at all.

pecunium
10 years ago

Anand: I came back here only to find my name being dragged into tge mud again for having a different opinion and respecting other’s.

Nope. For being dishonest about those two things.

Constructive criticism is extremely rare.

Nope. You’ve gotten it, you just don’t like it. I’ll repeat it though.

Make a claim and defend it. Stand for something. Be honest in debate.

Do those and you will get less hostilty.

To all those who are calling me names, i wont respond to you. I respect you but i also respect myself enough not to throw myself into a den of angry wolves. Good day to you.

Oo! A flounce.

Please stick the landing.

Nope. 12 minutes was all you could manage. Sad.

Cassandrakitty, I dont respond to people who call me names mainly because i dont want to escalate it any further. Its a defence mechanism.

Then stop replying to them, rather than bemoaning how mean they are, while pretending you are above the fray. That’s dishonest and manipulative.

Wait… you are willing to make a stand:

Maybe this video may have been subject to selective editing but i really hope that doesn’t erase the message it sends. DV against men is a real and serious problem and blaming it on the patriarchy alone solves nothing. Cheers.

It’s a misogynist stand. One that excuses duplicity, if it’s for the right cause.

It’s an immoral stand.

But it’s a stand.

Fade, Feminists blame men’s problems on the patriarchy and MRAs blame it feminism. I dont really care either way. Im more concerned about convincing the authorities to use resources to help such men rather than play the blame game. We need specific laws or provisions to help such men. Its not a matter to be taken lightly.

So…. you think men are more in need of DV help than women.

That’s a stand.

Yo don’t care if women are the greater share of victims. You don’t care if they are the victims of greater violence. You just want to help the men.

See, you do have an opinion. One which is at odds with your claim of “looking at both sides”.

*PS, people aren’t here at all hours. Some of us sleep, work, spend time with friends. We are responding to you. You just pretend we don’t/suffer confirmation bias about the lack of reply. Given the number of points you have raised, only to drop (“lets agree to disagree) you have no high horse to climb,.

Emcube
Emcube
10 years ago

So that White House petition was started by MRAs? Hmm. Anyway, Women’s Aid has responded to this video: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10858831/Domestic-violence-viral-ad-the-real-difference-between-attacks-on-women-and-attacks-on-men.html

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