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After all of the depressing stuff from recent days, here’s something a little lighter: A heartwarming story of misogynist gullibility, and yet another reminder that the evil feminazi double standards that the manospherians think they’re fighting exist only in their own fevered imaginations.
So last night, as a result of a rather nasty contretemps in the comments here, I was going through some old comments, and I discovered that one recently banned troll has a little blog of his own. Curious, I went and checked it out, and discovered that the obnoxious fellow, one “Ronnie Libra,” fancies himself a “dating coach.” And he’d just posted a rant defending pickup artists from accusations of being the creepy, manipulative predators that we know a lot of them are.
Here was his defense:
Pickup Artists are widely considered people who use tactics and techniques to try and “manipulate” members of the opposite sex into bed. Predatory, manipulative, rape culture, creepy…
Where else have we seen that before?
Popular Women’s Magazines perhaps?
As proof of this matriarchal manipulation, he posted the covers of three women’s magazines, adorned with pictures of sexy celebs and covered with headlines promising women guidance on how best to enslave men with their sexy sexiness.
But let’s look at some of these Mainstream Articles in these Popular women’s magazines.
Article Titles like:
Get Men to do your bidding without being a Nag
Get in his head and in his bed!
Christina Hendricks: How she chased her man and got him!
How to disappear without a trace.
The Sex position that will Put a Ring on your Finger.
Football and poker will improve your relationship. Find out how!
And a whole host of ways to manipulate men through sex.
It took me literally 3 minutes to pull of 3 random women’s magazine covers without even skimming for what the content of the covers would be. …
Am I complaining? Am I saying there’s something wrong with all of this? NOPE! As a matter of fact, I am very far from the hypocritical crowd out there spouting out how men learning tactics and techniques or even just improving their lives inside and out is somehow creepy, misogynistic, women hating, rape culture. If that were the case than women have been rapey, men hating, creepsters since before I was born.
No. Men and women trying to become more attractive to the opposite sex is AWESOME! … Women and Men are playing the same game, and the fact is, the WOMEN have been making the rules for a long time. …
[T]his double standard that what is great for women to do is evil for men to do just needs to be put to rest.
There’s just one teensy problem with Ronnie’s argument: two of the three magazine covers that Ronnie used to prove his point were obvious, ridiculous fakes. Here they are:
Yep. Apparently Ronnie thinks that Vogue runs cover stories on “The Lost Art of the Handjob,” and that InStyle is obsessed with telling women not to cut their hair because guys like women’s hair long.
You may notice that in addition to being festooned with headlines that sound like they were written not by sneaky sexually manipulative women but rather by a committee of horny dudes, these covers also feature a url on them: coolmaterial.com.
Using the sophisticated internet research technique of typing this url into my browser and, upon reaching the site in question, typing the words “women’s magazines” into the search box, I discovered that these covers were taken from a couple of “humor” features imagining what women’s magazines would look like … if they were written by men.
The basic joke behind them all: how can we convince these silly women to bend over backwards and forwards to please men sexually, while making them think they’re empowering themselves? Hell, there’s even a freaking sandwich joke on that fake InStyle cover.
And seriously, Ronnie, the NAME OF THE IMAGE FILE for the ScarJo cover, the image you posted on your blog and that I’ve reposted here, is if_men_wrote_womens_magazines_00.jpg. How did that not tip you off?
It’s true that women’s magazines do offer sex tips– shocking, I know — and, heck, I even found a handjob how-to in Vogue’s downmarket rival Glamour. But how is that in any way comparable to the manipulative and pedatory techniques favored by so many PUAs? Offering advice on how to please your partner in bed is about as innocuous as providing recipes for delicious food that people will enjoy eating. It’s nothing like the creepy gaslighting and routine boundary-violation regularly recommended by PUAs. Dread Game, anyone?
It’s also true that a couple of the headlines that Ronnie quotes are taken from the one real cover he posted, that of the May 2012 issue of the UK edition of Cosmopolitan. But tellingly, one of these quotes is actually a misquote. Cosmo wasn’t offering sneaky women advice on “how to disappear without a trace” – presumably with a briefcase full of pilfered cash and a vial of some poor man’s sperm. The actual headline?
Cosmo investigates: How can a woman disappear without a trace?
Yes, that’s right: it was an investigative report about a woman’s disappearance. I couldn’t find the piece itself on the Cosmopolitan UK website, which only puts limited stuff from its print editions online, though I found a more recent news story there about a missing woman who has been in the news a good deal in the UK. The American edition of Cosmo has also run investigative reports on missing women.
I’m not quite sure how Ronnie managed to get the headline so wrong. It’s written in big letters on the cover. Maybe he was distracted by cover girl Christina Hendricks’ cleavage? But it’s a revealing little slip nonetheless, transforming a story about a woman missing and possibly murdered into how-to guide to female deception.
More proof that these guys see just what they want to see – even if what they’re seeing is a joke, or entirely a product of their own imagination
Note to Ronnie: If you’d like to defend yourself here. I’ll unban your and let your comments through, just so long as they stay withing my comment guidelines.
I’ll try any of the drinks that can be made non-alcholic.
Except beer. Tried a taste of Guinness and some other beer in Chicago. Blech. Not the flavours for me.
To be fair, Cosmo does post some creepy stuff sometimes. Cliff at the Pervocracy does a great analysis of terrible Cosmo articles called “Cosmocking”. I highly recommend it. I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see some of those fake articles in Cosmo. http://pervocracy.blogspot.ca/search/label/cosmocking
Thumbs up for brining mojitos from me! And I have a friend who makes the most amazing beet mead.
@kittehserf – I have a Hello Cthulhu tshirt, but I can’t find the graphic that’s on it anywhere online! May have to dig it out of storage and take a pic.
Puddleglum, there really are Hello Cthulhu shirts? <3
That comic is so funny. I read all 85 entries of it this morning … er, afternoon. (Damn, is that the time already?)
I think it can be either. Depends whether you are talking about “cat hair martinis” as a concept, in which case *is* or as actual things, in which case *are*. I’d vote for *is* to keep the cat hair martinis purely theoretical.
Keeping cat hair martinis purely theoretical sounds like an excellent idea. Bad enough old bars having spittoons, we wouldn’t want to have to install hurkhurkhurkHACKoons in ours.
Beet mead? I am intrigued. I’ve made a couple different kinds of mead, but that’s new to me.
Regarding Hello Cthulhu, there’s a rather entertaining webcomic called The Unspeakable Vault (of Doom) which I recommend. Caveat – if you’re not Mythos savvy, the jokes will be less funny.
Also, Puddleglum – I missed the transition. Who were you before Puddleglum?
Puddleglum was moldybrehd, Robert. Ta for that recommendation, I’m off to have a look!
:sporfle:
Love this one!
http://www.goominet.com/unspeakable-vault/vault/5/
@motherroshiya
Exactly!!
marinerachel:
*raises hand* What’s more, I wore them before 1996 as well, long before I came out as trans, and (*further ignominy*) have even tried one as a cock scrunchy – briefly! I might add – it was worth trying at least once, to work out that as far as kinky or bizarre or puzzling stuff goes, this one was not my thing. I’m sure there must be someone out there who finds it fun.
David, in the OP:
Reading the spelling error in this sentence, I somehow immediately associated PUAs with foot fetishists. Tell me it’s not so! 😉
Oh, and completely unrelated, but I forget what thread we were last talking about “hot lizards” on, and frankly I feel no shame posting off topic with where this thread has gone. I mean, it’s nothing I’d hesitate to ramble-slur on about in our Dive Bar In The Sky.
So without further ado, I just want announce that, after much research, I HAVE FIGURED OUT “HOT LIZARDS”
I would say this is all no. Absent coercion, both parties in a conversation both have as much right/chance to say yes or no to sex as each other. There is a higher probability that the person approaching is going to say yes, but even then that person can decide they don’t want sex at any point. The only way you could say that women make the rules in any way is to assume the man will always say yes to sex with any woman who tells him to put out, which is ridiculously gender essentialist.
I get that maybe you’re trying to make your point in words he won’t reject outright, but it’s pandering too much to their erroneous beliefs for my liking.
I’ve found just the kitties to populate our dive bar.
Ooooh, can we also decorate with these? I’m pretty sure they’re definitely misandry!
I’m totally feeling the cat on the right’s “why you do this to me?” body language.
Oh hey, can anyone brew? It’d be great to be able to serve some beer called Male Tears
Pecunium makes beer, doesn’t he?
Bah, beer. Vintners are the true misandrists! I’m currently in the process of bottling my latest wine. I have yet to come up with a name. It’s made almost entirely out of apples, so… The Incel’s Forbidden Fruit? The H10’s Bite (I’m assuming Snow White is a H10)? There’s An App(le) For That?
I’m really bad at this.
My boyfriend and I brew beer and make spirits. I think a spirit would be best for Male Tears. That way it could be flavoured however you wanted. Would it be sweet or bitter?
Call it Maleficent’s Revenge.
Kim – bitter, definitely. Bitter, bitte Male Tears.
Anarchonist – all I can think of is How Do You Like Them Apples?
Kitten, Husband has the “hello Cthulu t-shirt”. 😀
Well, this sounds like my kind of bar! Also, am departing with daughter on Monday to Paris and on to Switzerland on the high speed train, and we have been promised cocktail bars in Basel by someone who really knows his bars, so I shall take notes, just in case I spot something accidentally omitted from the official watering spot for jaded women.
I’m really excited about this; daughter works such lunatic hours that a whole week off is heaven. And it’s an amazing excuse for buying clothes, bags and shoes because obviously you want to look good if you are visiting Paris, and naturally if someone is showing you his favourite cocktail bars you have to dress to impress.
Also, as a wave in the direction of the thread topic, I suspect that the ravening hordes of weeping PUAs will never, ever understand that having fun is the best aphrodisiac.
When a woman *wants* to disappear without a trace, it’s to ditch her abusive partner, who might kill her. Not a manipulative trick. A bid for freedom.