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Note to clueless misogynistic dating coaches: Vogue magazine does not run handjob how-to's as cover stories

Note: The real world is not a romance comic.
Note: The real world is not a romance comic.

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After all of the depressing stuff from recent days, here’s something a little lighter: A heartwarming story of misogynist gullibility, and yet another reminder that the evil feminazi double standards that the manospherians think they’re fighting exist only in their own fevered imaginations.

So last night, as a result of a rather nasty contretemps in the comments here, I was going through some old comments, and I discovered that one recently banned troll has a little blog of his own. Curious, I went and checked it out, and discovered that the obnoxious fellow, one “Ronnie Libra,” fancies himself a “dating coach.” And he’d just posted a rant defending pickup artists from accusations of being the creepy, manipulative predators that we know a lot of them are.

Here was his defense:

Pickup Artists are widely considered people who use tactics and techniques to try and “manipulate” members of the opposite sex into bed.  Predatory, manipulative, rape culture, creepy…

Where else have we seen that before?

Popular Women’s Magazines perhaps?

As proof of this matriarchal manipulation, he posted the covers of three women’s magazines, adorned with pictures of sexy celebs and covered with headlines promising women guidance on how best to enslave men with their sexy sexiness.

But let’s look at some of these Mainstream Articles in these Popular women’s magazines.

Article Titles like:

Get Men to do your bidding without being a Nag

Get in his head and in his bed!

Christina Hendricks:  How she chased her man and got him!

How to disappear without a trace.

The Sex position that will Put a Ring on your Finger.

Football and poker will improve your relationship.  Find out how!

And a whole host of ways to manipulate men through sex.

It took me literally 3 minutes to pull of 3 random women’s magazine covers without even skimming for what the content of the covers would be. …

Am I complaining?  Am I saying there’s something wrong with all of this?  NOPE!  As a matter of fact, I am very far from the hypocritical crowd out there spouting out how men learning tactics and techniques or even just improving their lives inside and out is somehow creepy, misogynistic, women hating, rape culture.  If that were the case than women have been rapey, men hating, creepsters since before I was born.

No.  Men and women trying to become more attractive to the opposite sex is AWESOME! … Women and Men are playing the same game, and the fact is, the WOMEN have been making the rules for a long time. …

[T]his double standard that what is great for women to do is evil for men to do just needs to be put to rest.

There’s just one teensy problem with Ronnie’s argument: two of the three magazine covers that Ronnie used to prove his point were obvious, ridiculous fakes. Here they are:

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Yep. Apparently Ronnie thinks that Vogue runs cover stories on “The Lost Art of the Handjob,” and that InStyle is obsessed with telling women not to cut their hair because guys like women’s hair long.

You may notice that in addition to being festooned with headlines that sound like they were written not by sneaky sexually manipulative women but rather by a committee of horny dudes, these covers also feature a url on them: coolmaterial.com.

Using the sophisticated internet research technique of typing this url into my browser and, upon reaching the site in question, typing the words “women’s magazines” into the search box, I discovered that these covers were taken from a couple of “humor” features imagining what women’s magazines would look like … if they were written by men.

The basic joke behind them all: how can we convince these silly women to bend over backwards and forwards to please men sexually, while making them think they’re empowering themselves? Hell, there’s even a freaking sandwich joke on that fake InStyle cover.

And seriously, Ronnie, the NAME OF THE IMAGE FILE for the ScarJo cover, the image you posted on your blog and that I’ve reposted here, is if_men_wrote_womens_magazines_00.jpg. How did that not tip you off?

It’s true that women’s magazines do offer sex tips– shocking, I know — and, heck, I even found a handjob how-to in Vogue’s downmarket rival Glamour. But how is that in any way comparable to the manipulative and pedatory techniques favored by so many PUAs? Offering advice on how to please your partner in bed is about as innocuous as providing recipes for delicious food that people will enjoy eating. It’s nothing like the creepy gaslighting and routine boundary-violation regularly recommended by PUAs. Dread Game, anyone?

It’s also true that a couple of the headlines that Ronnie quotes are taken from the one real cover he posted, that of the May 2012 issue of the UK edition of Cosmopolitan. But tellingly, one of these quotes is actually a misquote. Cosmo wasn’t offering sneaky women advice on “how to disappear without a trace” – presumably with a briefcase full of pilfered cash and a vial of some poor man’s sperm. The actual headline?

Cosmo investigates: How can a woman disappear without a trace?

Yes, that’s right: it was an investigative report about a woman’s disappearance. I couldn’t find the piece itself on the Cosmopolitan UK website, which only puts limited stuff from its print editions online, though I found a more recent news story there about a missing woman who has been in the news a good deal in the UK. The American edition of Cosmo has also run investigative reports on missing women.

I’m not quite sure how Ronnie managed to get the headline so wrong. It’s written in big letters on the cover. Maybe he was distracted by cover girl Christina Hendricks’ cleavage? But it’s a revealing little slip nonetheless, transforming a story about a woman missing and possibly murdered into how-to guide to female deception.

More proof that these guys see just what they want to see – even if what they’re seeing is a joke, or entirely a product of their own imagination

Note to Ronnie: If you’d like to defend yourself here. I’ll unban your and let your comments through, just so long as they stay withing my comment guidelines.

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Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

@cassandrakitty: Um. Yeah. Healthy!

@WWTH: I read once that, to avoid ruining a party, you should never discuss religion or politics or diets. People tend to get evangelical and, um, irrational about them all.

Sarah Ballantyne has a book out where she talks about the science behind why paleo can be helpful for some people’s health issues (she’s a biophysicist). I prefer her part of the interwebs over the “I told my wife to cook this way” parts.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

Yeah, I read a blog post a few years ago saying that if you’re TRULY paleo, you can’t have smoothies, because cavemen didn’t have blenders. To which I responded BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Oh dear. Rancid came back again? Asking the same questions he already asked because he didn’t comprehend the answers.

Just go away. Why would we waste time giving you any serious answers when you refuse to listen them?

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

Is it possible to write a book or curriculum to help romantically challenged men that won’t be viewed as misogynistic pick up “artistry” by feminists?

Yes. Yes yes yes! I am all for anything that helps people feel more confident in social/romantic situations. I am not into anything that tells people they are entitled to other people’s bodies/attention, or positions people as targets who have little to no agency.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The thing is, though, a non-misogynistic book that taught men how to connect with women better and work through dating challenges wouldn’t be a pickup artist book. The clue as to why is in the term “pickup artist”.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

There’s plenty people can learn to make socializing easier and more enjoyable.
Not you though, Rancid.
Never you.
When you enter a room, amiability exits.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Diet morality really creeps me out, as an ED guy in recovery. Eating is not a moral act, people. (Unless you come from a religion with dietary laws, I guess.) Certain foods are not ‘bad,’ and eating a ‘bad’ food does not make YOU ‘bad.’ It’s fuel, it’s sensory enjoyment. IT IS JUST FUCKING FOOD. Stop soapboxing and get over your damn self.

(And yes, I realize there are maybe a few very rare people who go out and torture endangered animals to death and eat them, but they are few and rare and for crying out loud, do you really think that’s what most diet folks are talking about?)

RE: WWTH

I’ve also seen people on the internet claim that fruit is unhealthy because the fructose in it is just as unhealthy as processed sugars in junk food.

OH MY GOD I HATE THIS. Part of my eating disorder was avoiding all “sugars,” and I actually had to be sat down by a nutritionist who said, “No, dude, stop it, you NEED fruit and carbs. It’s good for you. EAT YOUR GODDAMN FRUIT SANDWICH.” (I also avoided all meat and dairy because FAT. Is it any wonder I made myself sick?)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

You know when a dog farts in a car with all the windows closed? I’m guessing it’s kind of like that when Rancid enters the room.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Rancad, if the advice does things like advise the nonrespecting of boundaries (like you keep doing), talk about game, suggest all women like certain things and doing those things is a path to their panties, that men are entitled to sex, or that women are really just neurochemical machines that a wise man can play, then it is a bad guide and oozes PUA idiocy.

So, yes, people can give advice without being disgusting.

Can you go away now, please?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Racnad is like the farting boxer dog from James Herriot’s books, only without the charm and good nature. Or silence.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

I haven’t read this book

https://www.createspace.com/4020351

but the author’s tumblr is chock full of anti-misogyny and good sense, so that’s promising.

http://theconcealedweapon.tumblr.com/

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Is it possible to write a book or curriculum to help romantically challenged men that won’t be viewed as misogynistic pick up “artistry” by feminists?

The answer is still no. Go ask your mommy, we don’t want the job.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Diet morality really creeps me out, as an ED guy in recovery. Eating is not a moral act, people. (Unless you come from a religion with dietary laws, I guess.) Certain foods are not ‘bad,’ and eating a ‘bad’ food does not make YOU ‘bad.’ It’s fuel, it’s sensory enjoyment. IT IS JUST FUCKING FOOD. Stop soapboxing and get over your damn self.

This. Diet evangelists say a lot of things that raise red flags for me. Even though I was fixated on calories and not good or bad foods , their thought processes are a lot like mine were. I don’t think orthorexia made it into the DSM V but in my humble opinion it should have.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Now, I’ve been gone a few days, but I’m POSITIVE everyone already linked racnad to shit like Dr. Nerdlove, Captain Awkward, and so on…

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

LBT: Someone might have, but if he can whine here, his fingers are not out of commission. He can Google.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

I thought orthorexia was in the DSM V? I certainly hope so.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I thought orthorexia was in the DSM V? I certainly hope so.

No that I can tell. They did add binge eating disorder though.

lightcastle
lightcastle
6 years ago

Orthorexia isn’t in the DSM-5, no.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“Is it possible to write a book or curriculum to help romantically challenged men that won’t be viewed as misogynistic pick up “artistry” by feminists?”

Hellkell’s response:

“The answer is still no. Go ask your mommy, we don’t want the job.”

Jesus Christ, I second that. The guys who come here insulting us and overlooking our personal experiences with disdain only to later guilt us for not giving concise tips on how to get laid boogles my mind.

Hey rancid nads, I’m looking at you!!!

I mean, come on, how many times can we say, “Treat women like humans.” The fact that we ever have to bring that up, even once, says volumes about the whining trolls.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Maybe he treats his mom like this too? By which I mean, follows her around nagging her to fix his relationship problems and do his laundry, and while she’s at it could she maybe go fill up his freezer with food too?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

*giggle-snort**

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Mom, my toenails are too long, why haven’t you cut them for me yet? Mom, I’m hungry, where’s dinner? Yes, I know that you live in another state, but – oh, look, a woman! Woman, I’m hungry, where’s my dinner?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Rancid should really read this and learn from it. I doubt that will happen though. http://www.shakesville.com/2014/05/on-geek-guys-elloit-rodger-think-pieces.html

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Excellent find, weirwoodtreehugger!

I’m going to post some of it here:

“And one of the things I’m seeing over and over in these pieces, despite their ostensibly being about how acknowledging women’s humanity and agency is important, is a distinct failure to acknowledge women as anything but the sex class. That is, there is very little discussion about how straight men should and do have other reasons for interacting with women than trying to have sex with them.

I’m sure many of the men writing these pieces would argue that should be taken as read: Of course I believe that. As though it’s self-evident. But it is not self-evident to the many men who treat women precisely like this every day, and to the many women who are treated every day like we have no value beyond our willingness to fuck men. Or their desire to fuck us.

To truly and meaningfully challenge the dynamic of entitled misogyny, the men who write these pieces need to make explicit that women do not exist to be sex toys for men.”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

A lot of those pieces basically read as guides to how to fake seeing women as people just barely convincingly enough to get them to have sex with you.

Ally S
6 years ago

@cassandrakitty

You nailed it.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Cassandra posted:

“A lot of those pieces basically read as guides to how to fake seeing women as people just barely convincingly enough to get them to have sex with you.”

Yes. And that’s what our trolls want — after mansplaining our own existence to us.

No seriously, those articles always advise things like, “Ask her about her day, and so forth.” Then devolve into, “Actually pretend like you’re listening to her talk. Women like that, they’re silly.”

katz
6 years ago

And they don’t understand why there’s a problem with that. If women still aren’t happy with their behavior, they just take that as a sign that they need to fake it better.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Falconer, vertical babies! <3

Arctic Ape – yup, the Tramcar Restaurant, I've seen it many times. 🙂

Pecunium – sorry, my mistake! But I'd love to know what mead tastes like.

bunnybunny, OT but your gravatar is gorgeous.

bluecatbabe, your drinks suggestions are the best! Especially the MRA White Whine. 😀

Kootiepatra – Ohai Uruk-hai! Love it!

cupisnique
6 years ago

Men don’t really need special dating advice books. Women are not that freaking mysterious, honestly maybe if they got over thinking women are somehow aliens and not of the same species they might do better at talking to them. You can read *ANY* good dating advice books and it shouldn’t matter if you’re a guy because people of all genders and sexual orientations can have anxiety or experience difficulty in dating so I imagine the advice is going to be pretty similar on how to deal with that.

kittehserf
6 years ago

I wonder if these dudes need special books to talk to other dudes? Because hey, they just talk like they’re people. Funny how it never occurs to them to talk to women that way.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Actually, given their success rate in their interactions with men here, a “how to make friends with other men” book might not be the worst idea.

Still not writing it for them, though.

kittehserf
6 years ago

An MRA/PUA/MGTOW/misogynist fuckwits in general island still seems the best idea.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Kittehserf – and we know what to call it. Pen Island.

Regarding beet mead, I’ve done some Googling and found out about homemade beet kvas. It sounds great, albeit not particularly alcoholic. I greatly enjoy fermented foods, and will be trying it once I get my hands on some beets.

Ally S
6 years ago

An MRA/PUA/MGTOW/misogynist fuckwits in general island still seems the best idea.

Can I send my sister’s abusive ex-boyfriend and my dad? Pleeeease?

kittehserf
6 years ago

They’re top of the list, Ally!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Does Mother Roshiya have a history here that I’m not aware of?

And I missed babies! Must go find mini Falconers!

emilygoddess
6 years ago

This reminds me of the time in college that I was persuaded by the internet that making “skittles vodka” was a good idea. Either my execution was completely off, or it was just not a good idea to begin with.

I’ve never seen Skittles vodka work out well. I think it’s the gelatin or something that keeps the Skittles from dissolving. Jolly Ranchers, on the other hand, dissolve nicely (and Jolly Rancher vodka makes an interesting Cosmopolitan).

Jesus Christ, Ronnie is a world-class clueless fucking dork. If I were him I’d be way too embarrassed to come back.

Yeah, the fact that he’s not even embarassed is both confusing and hilarious. If I was him, or at least his online persona, I’d be embarassed all the damn time…

Is it possible to write a book or curriculum to help romantically challenged men that won’t be viewed as misogynistic pick up “artistry” by feminists?

Yes, but we’re still not going to write it for you.

Maybe we should use them in defense against our next influx of poo-flinging howler monkey-trolls? We can add them to the arsenal: talking about bras, etc.

Fandom Wank used to do this, and I got some killer recipes that way. I approve!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Argenti – unless MR is a sock, no, not that I’m aware of.

Ronnie Libra
6 years ago

Ha. Why would I be embarrassed? I should be embarrassed that a few confused, and embittered feminists are all pooled up on this blog, feeding each off each others hatred?

You give me NOTHING to DEFEND against. I read a couple of the comments on here, and they are so off base it’s like if a 9 year old child was calling me names. How am I supposed to be embarrassed?

The only interesting comments buried in here are the couple where someone says that I make some pretty good points.

And only 2 of you made it over to the comments section of my blog to discuss, so.. The 2 of you who made it, I took the time to discuss the topic fairly and equitably. But as long as you have your troll festival over here using each other to give you the confidence none of you would have on your own to call me names, that I think are more entertaining than anything else, what do I care? Troll away. Give each other that ego boost. Write a comments section novel about me, some more, why don’t you. Create me into this farcical Anti-Hero of the Mangina blog world. You’re doing good so far. 290’s not bad… Have at it.

Anyway, thanks for the entertainment.

pecunium
6 years ago

kittehserf: Mead tastes like lots of things, depending on the honey, the ratio (i.e. how much sugar is in the water) the yeast (and how well it can digest sugar), whether or not the honey:water ratio is more (or less) than the yeast can eat, etc.

That’s without getting into the question of hops, herbs, fruits added to the mix.

I have one which was made with a berlinerwiesse yeast that came out with a little bit of residual sugar, and strong notes of hazelnut.

Ally S
6 years ago

Fuck off, Ronnie.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Why would I be embarrassed?

You aren’t embarrassed that you fell for obviously fake magazine covers? Unless you knew they were and then lied about it. In which case you should feel embarrassed for being an unethical asshole.
http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

pecunium
6 years ago

Ronnie: You give me NOTHING to DEFEND against. I read a couple of the comments on here, and they are so off base it’s like if a 9 year old child was calling me names. How am I supposed to be embarrassed?

Well… it starts with self-awareness. Which it’s plain you lack; as evidenced in this comment of yours:

The only interesting comments buried in here are the couple where someone says that I make some pretty good points.

People made some pretty detailed replies to you. You don’t think they counted as anything which called for reply, but the “couple where someone ‘agreed with me,'” you declare to be “interesting”.

And only 2 of you made it over to the comments section of my blog to discuss, so.. The 2 of you who made it, I took the time to discuss the topic fairly and equitably. But as long as you have your troll festival over here using each other to give you the confidence none of you would have on your own to call me names,

Right sonny. The only reason we call you out is because you make us tremble? That’s what I mean by lack of self-awareness. I looked at your blog. It was a waste of pixels. Better to go and do some gardening, eat some cheese and serrano, attend a wine-tasting, hang out with a friend who is still in town from Israel to visit with us after the wedding, re-arrange my room and make some supper.

Because you neither came up with any new argument to the twaddle already replied to, nor managed any insults which I’d not seen before. Why should I waste my time on you? There are other things (as listed) and other parts of the internet. Things which are possessed of merits you lack, being original, interesting or amusing.

But 290… that’s small potatoes. The other active threads are in the 400s,and one of those in the past week is headed toward 2,000. But hey, if you can’t garner comments at your blog sure, live vicariously in this, somewhat slower than average, thread.

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

The only interesting comments buried in here are the couple where someone says that I make some pretty good points.

Create me into this farcical Anti-Hero of the Mangina blog world.

You realize you’re only talking to yourself and giving yourself credit where no credit is due. You blog-vomit recycled TeRPer nonsense found in dozens of equally poorly written, useless manosphere dump sites. No one is angry at you, no cares about what you have to say and no one wants to debate you because you are incapable of taking part in one. You’re white noise that we’d like shut off, which can only happen if you shove off and pester someone else. Dear God, you’re boring. Your magazine blunder is the single interesting thing about you and David has captured that moment perfectly. You should be grateful, preferably somewhere else.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Jayzus, you are so booooring, Ronnie. What kind of loser has to come here and spout his drivel at people he thinks are so far beneath his notice?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It should also be noted that we didn’t spend most of the time here discussing Ronnie. We talked about cock scrunchies and plans for our fabulous feminist dive bar. Sure, Ronnie’s fuckwitted post was the jumping off point for those topics, but he himself was forgotten pretty quickly.

kittehserf
6 years ago

He’s probably all excited because this is the most attention he’s had in years.

emilygoddess
6 years ago

Create me into this farcical Anti-Hero of the Mangina blog world.

LOL. That you think you even rate among the trolls we’ve had is freakin’ adorable.

I’m a little disappointed in your obsession with the word “mangina”, though. Why are you such a misandrist?

The only reason we call you out is because you make us tremble? That’s what I mean by lack of self-awareness.

Right? He thinks he’s got us running scared, when really it’s just that his tl;dr is so irrevocably stupid it’s obviously not worth anyone’s time to try to correct it (for the 183645th time, too, seeing as how he’s said literally nothing original).

I mean, he got featured in one post here and he thinks he’s our new enemy or something. Self-awareness, indeed.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Wait, who’re we turning into an anti-hero? *scrolls up* oh, the OP guy. Sorry, I got distracted by the booze and cock scrunchies.