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Note to clueless misogynistic dating coaches: Vogue magazine does not run handjob how-to's as cover stories

Note: The real world is not a romance comic.
Note: The real world is not a romance comic.

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After all of the depressing stuff from recent days, here’s something a little lighter: A heartwarming story of misogynist gullibility, and yet another reminder that the evil feminazi double standards that the manospherians think they’re fighting exist only in their own fevered imaginations.

So last night, as a result of a rather nasty contretemps in the comments here, I was going through some old comments, and I discovered that one recently banned troll has a little blog of his own. Curious, I went and checked it out, and discovered that the obnoxious fellow, one “Ronnie Libra,” fancies himself a “dating coach.” And he’d just posted a rant defending pickup artists from accusations of being the creepy, manipulative predators that we know a lot of them are.

Here was his defense:

Pickup Artists are widely considered people who use tactics and techniques to try and “manipulate” members of the opposite sex into bed.  Predatory, manipulative, rape culture, creepy…

Where else have we seen that before?

Popular Women’s Magazines perhaps?

As proof of this matriarchal manipulation, he posted the covers of three women’s magazines, adorned with pictures of sexy celebs and covered with headlines promising women guidance on how best to enslave men with their sexy sexiness.

But let’s look at some of these Mainstream Articles in these Popular women’s magazines.

Article Titles like:

Get Men to do your bidding without being a Nag

Get in his head and in his bed!

Christina Hendricks:  How she chased her man and got him!

How to disappear without a trace.

The Sex position that will Put a Ring on your Finger.

Football and poker will improve your relationship.  Find out how!

And a whole host of ways to manipulate men through sex.

It took me literally 3 minutes to pull of 3 random women’s magazine covers without even skimming for what the content of the covers would be. …

Am I complaining?  Am I saying there’s something wrong with all of this?  NOPE!  As a matter of fact, I am very far from the hypocritical crowd out there spouting out how men learning tactics and techniques or even just improving their lives inside and out is somehow creepy, misogynistic, women hating, rape culture.  If that were the case than women have been rapey, men hating, creepsters since before I was born.

No.  Men and women trying to become more attractive to the opposite sex is AWESOME! … Women and Men are playing the same game, and the fact is, the WOMEN have been making the rules for a long time. …

[T]his double standard that what is great for women to do is evil for men to do just needs to be put to rest.

There’s just one teensy problem with Ronnie’s argument: two of the three magazine covers that Ronnie used to prove his point were obvious, ridiculous fakes. Here they are:

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Yep. Apparently Ronnie thinks that Vogue runs cover stories on “The Lost Art of the Handjob,” and that InStyle is obsessed with telling women not to cut their hair because guys like women’s hair long.

You may notice that in addition to being festooned with headlines that sound like they were written not by sneaky sexually manipulative women but rather by a committee of horny dudes, these covers also feature a url on them: coolmaterial.com.

Using the sophisticated internet research technique of typing this url into my browser and, upon reaching the site in question, typing the words “women’s magazines” into the search box, I discovered that these covers were taken from a couple of “humor” features imagining what women’s magazines would look like … if they were written by men.

The basic joke behind them all: how can we convince these silly women to bend over backwards and forwards to please men sexually, while making them think they’re empowering themselves? Hell, there’s even a freaking sandwich joke on that fake InStyle cover.

And seriously, Ronnie, the NAME OF THE IMAGE FILE for the ScarJo cover, the image you posted on your blog and that I’ve reposted here, is if_men_wrote_womens_magazines_00.jpg. How did that not tip you off?

It’s true that women’s magazines do offer sex tips– shocking, I know — and, heck, I even found a handjob how-to in Vogue’s downmarket rival Glamour. But how is that in any way comparable to the manipulative and pedatory techniques favored by so many PUAs? Offering advice on how to please your partner in bed is about as innocuous as providing recipes for delicious food that people will enjoy eating. It’s nothing like the creepy gaslighting and routine boundary-violation regularly recommended by PUAs. Dread Game, anyone?

It’s also true that a couple of the headlines that Ronnie quotes are taken from the one real cover he posted, that of the May 2012 issue of the UK edition of Cosmopolitan. But tellingly, one of these quotes is actually a misquote. Cosmo wasn’t offering sneaky women advice on “how to disappear without a trace” – presumably with a briefcase full of pilfered cash and a vial of some poor man’s sperm. The actual headline?

Cosmo investigates: How can a woman disappear without a trace?

Yes, that’s right: it was an investigative report about a woman’s disappearance. I couldn’t find the piece itself on the Cosmopolitan UK website, which only puts limited stuff from its print editions online, though I found a more recent news story there about a missing woman who has been in the news a good deal in the UK. The American edition of Cosmo has also run investigative reports on missing women.

I’m not quite sure how Ronnie managed to get the headline so wrong. It’s written in big letters on the cover. Maybe he was distracted by cover girl Christina Hendricks’ cleavage? But it’s a revealing little slip nonetheless, transforming a story about a woman missing and possibly murdered into how-to guide to female deception.

More proof that these guys see just what they want to see – even if what they’re seeing is a joke, or entirely a product of their own imagination

Note to Ronnie: If you’d like to defend yourself here. I’ll unban your and let your comments through, just so long as they stay withing my comment guidelines.

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kittehserf
10 years ago

How about Hello Cthulhu?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Works for me!

kittehserf
10 years ago

I think we need tees with this on.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
10 years ago

You know, you’d think that it would be easy to find some sort of bra-typed lighting fixture, but this is all I could come up with http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Nt72DAU6L._SX342_.jpg

On the other hand, we could put up pairs of these on the walls http://somethingisdone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/boob-lamps1.jpg

takshak
takshak
10 years ago

But I like cracking the shells in a menacing way that makes men fear for their balls!

works exceedingly well if you use chestnuts, instead.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Can the sign at the entrance say this?

Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu the WHTM wgah’nagl fhtagn.

Translation: In his house at the We Hunted The Mammoth dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Arete: Yep. I’m out in Washington.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I’m picturing the WHTM dead as banned and flounced trolls.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I’ve fallen into the Hello Cthulhu abyss.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4skaju0dx1qa0j0so1_500.jpg

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

So they’re all zombies, then.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

They keep coming back as socks and failed flounce stickers don’t they?

2-D Man
2-D Man
10 years ago

Ronnie’s WHTM posts are still there, aren’t they? I mean, we can easily check to see whether he really did stun everyone into submission with his rapier wit…

I think Ronnie’s use of wit should described more like blunt force trauma.

It’s still stunning, I guess…

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
10 years ago

Okay, so I went a-googling for zombie sock puppets (because of course) and now I want to find a way to assign gravitars to trolls.
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And here is one of the brave furrinati warriors doing battle against a dastardly pair of zombie socks.comment image

kittehserf
10 years ago

There has to be room for Evil Hello Kitty somewhere, too.

http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/?date=2004-12-21

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Oolong martinis are a must at our dive bar. Those are my favorite.

bbeaty
bbeaty
10 years ago

I will bring the rhubarb syrup for rhubarb martinis. Harvesting my own this weekend.

Rhubarb that is.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I only know how to harvest martinis, personally.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I know how to harvest cat hair, but I doubt anyone would want that in their drink.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

I had a delicious drink recently that was a fruit infusion with gin and tonic. I had the strawberry and lime one and it had loads of ice and bits of fruit, and served in a jar to make it cool. No added sugar so refreshing and delicious. Wish I’d taken a picture now.

bbeaty
bbeaty
10 years ago

I love cats and all, but cat hair martinis is where I draw the line.

bbeaty
bbeaty
10 years ago

… are?

English degree, don’t fail me now!

katz
10 years ago

I will bring homemade kvas to the bar. Possibly suitable for those underage, depending on what country you’re in.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Strawberry lemonade. If we can have stuff like they serve at Ruby Tuesday in Chicago, I will be very happy. Best. Drink. Ever.

Of course, whatever drinks we have, there will be a stray cat hair here and there. Because that’s just Nature.

Mother Roshiya
Mother Roshiya
10 years ago

I left a rather lengthy comment on his post (admittedly probably longer than his own blog, I’ll post it at the end of this for you to be the judge of that), trying to keep courteous and professional about it, because, for all of the brash presentation, there were some good discussion points.

As for the comments on this blog, thanks for the laughs ^^

What I posted over there:

Thank you for your point of view. As a tool to improve confidence when approaching the opposite sex, and alleviating nervousness in someone, I do agree that PUA techniques can have a place.

Conversely, having been on the receiving side of some PUAs, I can also understand how they can be seen as creepy, and induce a panicky feeling in the receiving individual. One memorable incident for myself happened as I was walking home from the grocery store, pushing my infant son and groceries ahead of me in the stroller. A physically fit and well built black male (taller than I) approached me and, noticing my wedding ring, asked if I was happily married. I replied yes. His response~as he’s following behind me (granted at a distance, maybe 10 feet?) and I’m about to turn into my apartment complex~was “Really? Like fully loyal and stuff?”. I happily, if tersely, informed him “Yes, we’ve been together nearly a decade.” as my husband and I had been dating nine years before our wedding and this was shortly after. To his credit, the guy didn’t pursue me into my apartment complex and just went “Oh!”, but I felt intimidated enough to mentally run through all of my martial arts training, trying to anticipate how an attack could possibly play out and what my odds were of getting out of an attack well enough to sprint my son and I to safety. So there is a time and place for it. PickUps on the street are scary and creepy, especially if you two are the only individuals on the street. Women are programmed to be aware of the possibility of rape, and all of the missing persons or rape stories on television only serve to heighten this awareness and programming. PickUps at a bar are to be expected, and while we won’t immediately trust any drink that passes through your hands, we’re more open/forgiving of PickUps in an expected time and place. We may even laugh it off and thank you for the compliment, even if we’re already taken. I know I did at my sister’s Bachelorette Party, at least.

The PUA technique of “negging”, as I understand it however, seems detrimental to any relationship that the PUA is trying to start , so I personally would advice against using it, if only because you’ll come across as an insensitive prick and will more than likely get a slap faster than a thank you. No one likes being made to feel inferior to anyone else, regardless of sex and gender.

As far as your comment disbelieving that we do the make-up for ourselves, it really differs from person to person, situation to situation, similar to how I imagine guys wear a suit and tie. Some women do wear make-up to impress men, just as some men’s only reason to buy a suit is purely to impress women (because let’s face it, well dressed=sexy). Most of us only learned to do make-up after getting rejected for jobs that saw our lack of make-up as laziness and a lack of self-respect, similar to how some employers won’t hire a man who comes to an interview in jeans and a t-shirt (or an ill-fitting suit with an improperly tied tie). Some women use makeup as an emotional pick me up, a way to boost confidence and energy on a trying day (great for those days you look like death walking and need to come across as wide-awake, or days where you need to be commanding and in control like when you’re dealing with a used car sales associate getting paid solely on commission who thinks that you don’t know anything about cars and therefore they can jack up the prices on you, or days when you’re horribly depressed but are hosting a house party and therefore need to be cheerful); like wearing a suit makes you stand noticeably taller with better posture (especially when you catch sight of yourself in a mirror and you can’t help thinking “damn, I look good!”), good makeup and a fashionable outfit can make a day better. Fashion and makeup tips are just as important to us as GQ’s tips on how to make a fancy knot in a tie and which suit to wear them with is to men. And of course, there really are just people who wear makeup and suits for themselves and screw the rest of you for saying they’re over-dressed. For example, after growing up with cleavage no matter what shirt or bra I did or didn’t put on, suddenly not having any cleavage (despite being two cups sizes bigger) after breast feeding my son just feels weird, so I wear a push up bra to give the girls back their pre-pregnancy fullness (or at least the appearance of it, which is enough on most days).

Concerning the emphasis of being sexy, both out of the sheets and in, in many magazines, I guess it’s so prevalent in women magazines for the same reason having a flat belly and a good sense of style is plastered all over men’s magazines. It’s expected of us. Think about it. Anything that says we are anything but sexy is the worst insult you can throw at a woman, but we’re simultaneously told we can’t be TOO sexy for our own safety. How do you determine where that line is?? Getting married and having kids is supposedly the greatest achievement a woman could ever hope to accomplish (and the only way into heaven according to the Mormons) so you should know how to get it. Just as all the men’s magazines tell you how to be successful in business and become a wealthy CEO~supposedly your greatest life achievement. Men don’t really get magazines that really emphasize marriage and kids, and women’s magazines that place emphasize on business achievements aren’t as prominently displayed as the ones on sex, home life, cooking, weddings and gossip. Maybe some day we’ll all be reading the same magazine because we’ll all be expected to have an equal opportunity to choose whether marriage or business are our greatest life accomplishments, and sexy will be easily defined but not expected of either of us.

As for the idea that women makes the rules… Yes and no. Sure, we hold the power as to whether or not we will say yes to that round of sex that you want, but society puts great pressure on us to say yes to sex (for the aforementioned preconceived notion as to what a woman’s greatest achievement in life is) and sometimes we will say yes because you are physically capable of picking us up and taking us with you anyways (imagine the hottest woman you know of, and imagine that she is a foot taller than you and is able to visually trap you with her body from the rest of the room, and you just know she probably has the muscle strength to pick you up and carry you with her like a purse if she really wanted to press the issue, and you get to the point of intimidation we deal with normally). If we REALLY like you, and think you may be our ticket to our greatest life achievements (as outlined above) it’s nearly impossible to say no, especially after a passionate kiss that makes our normally chatty brains shut up (a quiet brain is addictive when you’re a woman). That being said, male politicians still call most of the shots on the legal repercussions for us, all the way from birth control, through rape, abortion, sex, health care and how harsh consequences should be taken (or what is acceptable to be overlooked) when we break the laws, and not all lawmakers have been fairly equal in that regard.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

You guys like mojitos? I’ll bring those. And expect fresh mint leaves.

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