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Note to clueless misogynistic dating coaches: Vogue magazine does not run handjob how-to's as cover stories

Note: The real world is not a romance comic.
Note: The real world is not a romance comic.

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After all of the depressing stuff from recent days, here’s something a little lighter: A heartwarming story of misogynist gullibility, and yet another reminder that the evil feminazi double standards that the manospherians think they’re fighting exist only in their own fevered imaginations.

So last night, as a result of a rather nasty contretemps in the comments here, I was going through some old comments, and I discovered that one recently banned troll has a little blog of his own. Curious, I went and checked it out, and discovered that the obnoxious fellow, one “Ronnie Libra,” fancies himself a “dating coach.” And he’d just posted a rant defending pickup artists from accusations of being the creepy, manipulative predators that we know a lot of them are.

Here was his defense:

Pickup Artists are widely considered people who use tactics and techniques to try and “manipulate” members of the opposite sex into bed.  Predatory, manipulative, rape culture, creepy…

Where else have we seen that before?

Popular Women’s Magazines perhaps?

As proof of this matriarchal manipulation, he posted the covers of three women’s magazines, adorned with pictures of sexy celebs and covered with headlines promising women guidance on how best to enslave men with their sexy sexiness.

But let’s look at some of these Mainstream Articles in these Popular women’s magazines.

Article Titles like:

Get Men to do your bidding without being a Nag

Get in his head and in his bed!

Christina Hendricks:  How she chased her man and got him!

How to disappear without a trace.

The Sex position that will Put a Ring on your Finger.

Football and poker will improve your relationship.  Find out how!

And a whole host of ways to manipulate men through sex.

It took me literally 3 minutes to pull of 3 random women’s magazine covers without even skimming for what the content of the covers would be. …

Am I complaining?  Am I saying there’s something wrong with all of this?  NOPE!  As a matter of fact, I am very far from the hypocritical crowd out there spouting out how men learning tactics and techniques or even just improving their lives inside and out is somehow creepy, misogynistic, women hating, rape culture.  If that were the case than women have been rapey, men hating, creepsters since before I was born.

No.  Men and women trying to become more attractive to the opposite sex is AWESOME! … Women and Men are playing the same game, and the fact is, the WOMEN have been making the rules for a long time. …

[T]his double standard that what is great for women to do is evil for men to do just needs to be put to rest.

There’s just one teensy problem with Ronnie’s argument: two of the three magazine covers that Ronnie used to prove his point were obvious, ridiculous fakes. Here they are:

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Yep. Apparently Ronnie thinks that Vogue runs cover stories on “The Lost Art of the Handjob,” and that InStyle is obsessed with telling women not to cut their hair because guys like women’s hair long.

You may notice that in addition to being festooned with headlines that sound like they were written not by sneaky sexually manipulative women but rather by a committee of horny dudes, these covers also feature a url on them: coolmaterial.com.

Using the sophisticated internet research technique of typing this url into my browser and, upon reaching the site in question, typing the words “women’s magazines” into the search box, I discovered that these covers were taken from a couple of “humor” features imagining what women’s magazines would look like … if they were written by men.

The basic joke behind them all: how can we convince these silly women to bend over backwards and forwards to please men sexually, while making them think they’re empowering themselves? Hell, there’s even a freaking sandwich joke on that fake InStyle cover.

And seriously, Ronnie, the NAME OF THE IMAGE FILE for the ScarJo cover, the image you posted on your blog and that I’ve reposted here, is if_men_wrote_womens_magazines_00.jpg. How did that not tip you off?

It’s true that women’s magazines do offer sex tips– shocking, I know — and, heck, I even found a handjob how-to in Vogue’s downmarket rival Glamour. But how is that in any way comparable to the manipulative and pedatory techniques favored by so many PUAs? Offering advice on how to please your partner in bed is about as innocuous as providing recipes for delicious food that people will enjoy eating. It’s nothing like the creepy gaslighting and routine boundary-violation regularly recommended by PUAs. Dread Game, anyone?

It’s also true that a couple of the headlines that Ronnie quotes are taken from the one real cover he posted, that of the May 2012 issue of the UK edition of Cosmopolitan. But tellingly, one of these quotes is actually a misquote. Cosmo wasn’t offering sneaky women advice on “how to disappear without a trace” – presumably with a briefcase full of pilfered cash and a vial of some poor man’s sperm. The actual headline?

Cosmo investigates: How can a woman disappear without a trace?

Yes, that’s right: it was an investigative report about a woman’s disappearance. I couldn’t find the piece itself on the Cosmopolitan UK website, which only puts limited stuff from its print editions online, though I found a more recent news story there about a missing woman who has been in the news a good deal in the UK. The American edition of Cosmo has also run investigative reports on missing women.

I’m not quite sure how Ronnie managed to get the headline so wrong. It’s written in big letters on the cover. Maybe he was distracted by cover girl Christina Hendricks’ cleavage? But it’s a revealing little slip nonetheless, transforming a story about a woman missing and possibly murdered into how-to guide to female deception.

More proof that these guys see just what they want to see – even if what they’re seeing is a joke, or entirely a product of their own imagination

Note to Ronnie: If you’d like to defend yourself here. I’ll unban your and let your comments through, just so long as they stay withing my comment guidelines.

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weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Boxer briefs make great hair extensions.

Silk boxers jazz up a hairdo as well.

Far be it from me to criticize cock scrunchies. Some days you just need your cock to be fancy.

May I present to you the penis cozy

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Can we not have Ronnie’s raging insecurities shitting up the joint?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

The blog is run by a self-loathing male, I think, who probably feels like the “White Knight” where if he talks about how men suck that women will flock to him and laud him as a hero and perhaps he can get the attention from them he has always lacked in the real world

This is such a common complaint from these guys, In all my time here I have never seen David use his “white knight” and “hero” status to hit on us. I’ve never seen that from any of the non-troll commenters who are hetero men either.

It’s almost like a person’s political philosophies don’t always revolve around getting laid.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I should have said hetero or bi men there.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

The “put your scrunchy on his winkie” thing is puzzling me. Who’s worn a scunchy since 1996, latest?

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Using the sophisticated internet research technique of typing this url into my browser and, upon reaching the site in question, typing the words “women’s magazines” into the search box, I discovered…

This made me laugh- snort.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
10 years ago

I think you can still buy them and Fred Meyers or something, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone wear a scrunchy since grade school.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

I see them in the dollar store, never in anyone’s hair.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

Wow. How do you fail reading comprehension THIS hard?

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

The best ever moments of Cosmo ridiculousness were a. use your panties as a scrunchy, your boyfriend will find it totally hot and b. put your scrunchy on his cock, he’ll find it totally hot.

Wat.

katz
10 years ago

Where can I find this dive bar filled with angry feminists?

In Berlin circa 1929.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
10 years ago

@Lea

He must be taking writing tips from Stephenie Meyer. She narrates Bella using the internet too.

http://markreadstwilight.buzznet.com/user/journal/4433941/mark-reads-twilight-chapter-7/

talacaris
talacaris
10 years ago

On PUAs, does anyone know anythin about Kezia Noble (her webpage looked like 100 % snakeoil with Testimonials and Platinum things) or Arden Leigh??

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Me realizing that Ronnie actually came here and thought he said something clever:

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/No-way-Not-possible-gif.gif

There are no words.

Wetherby
Wetherby
10 years ago

Ronnie’s WHTM posts are still there, aren’t they? I mean, we can easily check to see whether he really did stun everyone into submission with his rapier wit…

…can’t we?

Meow
Meow
10 years ago

I wear scrunchies, they’re good for making a bun look neater and more “put together” (good for hiding greaseball days). They’re making a bit of a comeback I think, with all the 90s nostalgia fashion everywhere.

I’m sure there are people out there who would enjoy frilly cockrings, I assume that’s what the scrunchie on the penis is about. But an actual scrunchie would rather defeat that purpose.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Lea,
You are awesome for using a Neverending Story gif.

Stevie
Stevie
10 years ago

What is this thing trolls have about ‘jaded’? Why would women who are uninterested in behaving like a doormat be ‘jaded’?

On second thoughts, I suspect that it’s meant to suggest that fresh, sweet virginal girls don’t regard MRAs as something to be scraped off the soles of their shoes, and they are wrong, wrong, wrong about that one. Being fresh, sweet and virginal is not a synonym for ‘happy to be treated like a doormat’…

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

If you came out of your mom’s basement, and unplugged from your attempt to win the favor of women by self-loathing

So the entire point of this blog is… to do a long con to get laid? It’s not possible to be a decent person without wanting to get a few lays?

Do I sense… misandry? THE HORROR.

you could go to any supermarket and look at any cover of any of these magazines and see how ridiculously wrong you are.

Cover of Cosmopolitan, US edition, May 2014

Probably the closest thing to your complaint is “Turn Him On Without Saying a Word”—and that’s not even seduction akin to what PUAs do, this is more on the line of “how to make your boyfriend want your body without talking”. Cosmopolitan (or at least the US edition) has its problems, but this isn’t akin to the infamous seduction guide on Reddit which had this advice in it:

Decide that you’re going to sit in a position where you can rub her leg and back. Physically pick her up and sit her on your lap. Don’t ask for permission. Be dominant. Force her to rebuff your advances.

[…]

If at any point a girl wants you to stop, she will let you know. If she says “STOP,” or “GET AWAY FROM ME,” or shoves you away, you know she is not interested. It happens. Stop escalating immediately and say this line:

“No problem. I don’t want you to do anything you aren’t comfortable with.”

Memorize that line. It is your go-to when faced with resistance. Say it genuinely, without presumption. All master seducers are also masters at making women feel comfortable. You’ll be no different. If a woman isn’t comfortable, take a break and try again later.

[…]

Pull out your cock and put her hand on it. Remember, she is letting you do this because you have established yourself as a LEADER. Don’t ask for permission, GRAB HER HAND, and put it right on your dick.

Emphasis his. I used the strong HTML code of the last part instead of the em because otherwise you wouldn’t know that that was emphasized.

If you can’t see how the emphasis of “don’t ask for her permission, just do it” and “keep trying even though she said no” are problematic, then that’s on you. Everyone else can see that this shit is creepy.

Cover of Vogue, May 2014

NOTHING ABOUT SEDUCTION. NOTHING ABOUT TURNING MEN ON. NOTHING.

Cover of InStyle, May 2014

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT SEDUCTION. NOTHING ABOUT TURNING MEN ON. NOTHING.

TL;DR: Troll, you fail.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I would happily hang out in a dive bar with any of the non-trolls here. It’d be loads of fun.

Ally S
10 years ago

TMI:

I still can’t get over the idea of panties-as-cock-scrunchy. I mean…what could someone possibly find pleasurable in that? Wouldn’t it hurt like hell because of the constriction? X_X

Ally S
10 years ago

I would happily hang out in a dive bar with any of the non-trolls here. It’d be loads of fun.

I’d love to do so as well, but I’m a minor. Oh, the woes of being under 21…

jayemgriffin
10 years ago

@Ally: No, I think the cock scrunchy is just a scrunchy on a cock. If I recall, there was another, separate suggestion to use your panties as a scrunchy. BECAUSE.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I would happily hang out in a dive bar with any of the non-trolls here. It’d be loads of fun.

Sign me up!

WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
WhatIsThisGravitasOfWhichYouSpeak
10 years ago

Clueless idiot ranting about women’s magazines somehow sparks wish for a feminist dive bar and cock-scrunchies. I’ve been here two days and I love this place already.