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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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cloudiah
10 years ago

If men like Elliot stop caring if women don’t like them, then we would not have these types
Shootings.

Rodger was a violent, evil person. Society and circumstanced helped shape that violence and evil into hating and wanting to commit violence against women. I have no doubt that in other circumstances, he would have channeled that hate and violence against another target.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@treehugger.

There are a lot of unsolved murders in high crime areas.

Please provide proof that rape is not taken seriously by law enforcement.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I should have clarified that the backlog of rape kits I was talking about is in the US. I have no idea if this is problem in other countries. Hopefully not.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Lol, and Davis aptly displays to all of us that women aren’t believed.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@Rachel.

I agree 100%

Nitram
Nitram
10 years ago

“Lea, my point is that Elliot should have focused on his money and stopped worrying about women not liking him.”

Focusing on money, no concern about your relationship with half the population. Total recipe for happiness. Absolutely no reflection about having issues with half the population. Just assume it’s “all women and you play no role in any negative interactions with them. We are all the same. It’s women, not you. Good plan!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

No, Davis. If men like the spree killer you are identifying with (for reasons that should scare you into some self-reflection) weren’t taught that women are things that owe them sex and attention and that violence wasn’t how “real men” solve problems, then he probably wouldn’t have become a shitbag murdering fuckwad.

I don;t care that you don;t like me. I think you’re a horrible person and I want you to stay as far away from women as you possibly can. There are women here. Stay away from us too.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

Typos, so many typos.

Still, I’m baffled by the absolute wrongness of judging people’s behavior to not be bad until they behave worse than the KKK.

Seriously, if I ever behave even as fraction as wrongly as the KKK, would the regulars here please fry me? Because I’d deserve it!

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Now, Davis, STOP CARING. Go your own way. You’re preventing violence by doing so!

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

If men like Elliot stop caring if women don’t like them, then we would not have these types
Shootings.

We’ve hashed this out before, on a different thread with a similar topic.

Do not base your self worth on outside validation, especially not if it requires reducing other people to trophies that can be won and shown off.

Elliot’s problem was refusing to see women as people, he only saw them as trophies that he could just ‘get’ to validate his masculinity in the eyes of other men. He basically said so himself.

It isn’t about avoiding people so they can’t hurt you, it’s about realizing that people are all different, there are good and bad of all kinds, and part of being a human is putting yourself out there and sometimes getting hurt.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Davis,
Sparky provided a citation above for the 3/100 rapists are convicted stat.

A famous recent case was Jameis Winston. The woman who reported him was discouraged by the police.

Here’s an article detailing the rampant mishandling of sexual assault cases by the Washington, D.C. police.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/01/24/us-dc-police-mishandle-sexual-assault-cases

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

I have no doubt that in other circumstances, he would have channeled that hate and violence against another target.

I actually… don’t like this argument. For one, there’s no way of knowing. For another, in what other circumstances? A circumstance in which he got laid? A circumstance where he never stumbled across the Manosphere or other hate groups? A circumstance where he didn’t grow up in a rape/male entitlement culture? Which, precisely, are the circumstances we’re considering, here? Because, while, again, there’s literally no way of knowing, I’d say that him getting laid would have done nothing to quench his awfulness, but him not growing up steeped in the awfulness that our rape/male entitlement/racist/etc. is… might have changed things.

There are infinite possible circumstances, and saying that someone was basically predestined to be an entitled murdering asshole no matter his cultural surroundings and life circumstances just doesn’t really fit, in my view.

I guess what it boils down to is, if people are, by virtue of being innately awful people, predestined to be misogynistic murderers or rapists or terrible people of other stripes… then what’s the point of trying to change anything?

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

Here’s an article about the backlog of rap testing kits.

http://feministing.com/2014/03/17/100-serial-rapists-identified-after-detroit-finally-processes-untested-rape-kits/

“Nationwide, there are an estimated 400,000 untested rape kits.”

The problem is so bad, that 17 states have introduced bills to require the kits be tested.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

* rape, not rap

What an unfortunate typo -_-

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Aww, but Lea, those babies can’t help themselves! They’re way less awful than Davis!

NOT ALL BABIES

cloudiah
10 years ago

@dustydeste, But that wasn’t really what I was arguing, although I admit I didn’t put it very well. Davis thought that merely getting Rodger to not care about women would have been enough to make him never murder anyone. What I meant to say was that that, in and of itself, would have still left him a violent, angry, entitled person, and he would have found another target for his anger.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

@cloudiah:

Yeah, I figured that was probably the case, I just wanted to be sure, because otherwise… bleh.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@Davis
Jesus, dude, don’t come here to defend Roger’s misogyny, negative narcissism, toxic male rage and seething resentment. Not only do you have zero compassion for his victims and the community he terrorized, I don’t even think you have empathy for whomever Elliott Roger really was. The person you’re defending is yourself, you are imaging that Roger was expressing all your own rage.

So you’ve made money and are angry that “regular looking women” choose to spend time with men who’s company they enjoy. I’ve known guys who were social awkward for a variety of reasons, everything from a lack of self-confidence to severe social phobia. And I’ve known guys like you, who hate, resent and fixate on women for representing all the things they desire and have been denied. Women, and men, can pick up on that virulent resentment and will wisely be driven away by it. The last guy I knew like that got banned from a bar because people suspected he was rophying women’s drinks. I’d recommend you see a therapist, but there’s probably no point because you’re not listening and acting like a complete asshole.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Also, you can’t just “make yourself not care.” That’s not how caring works, lol.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

There is an Incel type group on the subReddit r/ForeverAlone which has some posters echoing our Davis here. When subreddit called r/ForeverAloneWomen started, that type of poster was immediately wanted women expelled from the community because they were convinced no woman could suffer the same kind of social awkwardness, rejection and loneliness that they experience. These guys are only capable of sympathizing with themselves and the men they see as exactly like themselves, then project their self-defensive hostility onto everyone else.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Mammotheers, he doesn’t care. He said he does not trust women. Next he’ll just claim all those rapes were made up by ebil wimminz to be cruel to teh poor, put upon menz.
You know this song and dance. We see it all the time.

He likes his hate. He likes taking it out to show it off, especially here. He won’t change his mind. He just came here to take a dump on the floor and get attention from women for it. When the attention he gets isn’t begging him to come back and rest his weary head on our bosoms, he compares us to bigots who kill one comment and himself to..,bigots who kill (oddly enough) in another. This guy is beyond help. He’s a creepy fucker and if he changes, it will only be to get creepier.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

Deste, what the ever loving frisbee!? That’s awful! What in tarnation was wrong with that department!

Argle-bargledy-frap!

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