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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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Davis
Davis
10 years ago

This site is no better than the MRA sites you folks mock.

If MRA sites are considered hate sites, then this site should be considered one too.

lurker
lurker
10 years ago

‘you want socially awkward men to keep getting rejected by women’ (Davis)
I’m a socially hopelessly awkward man, and I’ve gotten more acceptance from women than I’ve even recognized (at the time). You’ve been doing isomething wrong.
Maybe I should teach you the Game: you stand around with a drink and an amiably stupid smile until someone hits you with the clue-stick a few times to get your attention.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Ah yes, the old “making fun of hateful bigots is just as bad as being a hateful bigot” argument. We’ve never heard that one before. Very creative.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Davis, since you’re so insistent that this is a hate site where we require all men to love, cherish, and adulate all women regardless of whether they’re assholes like you, surely you can point out where these demands have ever been made on this site.

Hell, I’ll even accept as evidence anywhere that a good-faith, long-term commenter has made such a demand.

Please do link us to where these demands have been made.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

Why? Because we read what you wrote and responded by telling you how wrong you are and forcing you to confront that fact that your have shitty unjustifiable ideas and need to work on yourself?

Why are you here?

Why did you need to share with us that you avoid women?

Go be better at avoiding women by avoiding this site!

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Why isn’t this site labeled as a hate site by the SPLC?

This is not a sensible question. This doesn’t advocate for violence and harassment. It doesn’t call for anybody’s rights to be taken away (hint: the right to rape and harass isn’t a thing).

We aren’t a hate group just because you came here to troll and got your ass handed to you.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@ Sparky

There are laws on the books that protect women and punish men for raping and killing women.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Davis: Please point out any hate on this site that doesn’t come from trolls like yourself.

Just saying something is true doesn’t make it true.

cloudiah
10 years ago

There are laws on the books that protect women and punish men for raping and killing women.

And … this is a bad thing?

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@fromafar

Why should I put myself in a position to be hurt by women?

fromafar2013
10 years ago

Dude, Davis, you don’t intersectional very well do you?

There are laws on the books to prevent discrimination based on race, and yet violent crimes against people of color still happen. Racism still happens.

What is your point?

You think making something illegal magically stops it from happening?

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
As a white person, I don’t think there is any justification for racism. It’s sad that as a man, you think you are justified in the same sort of bigotry others would perpetrate against you. MRAs and their ilk are no different from white supremacists, nor are “male separatists” any different from “white separatists”.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Oh, I see that you were responding to Sparky, and I guess implying that these laws are sufficient to actually protect women from being killed and raped.

If these laws are sufficient, why in certain age groups is the most common cause of death or serious injury is a woman’s intimate partner?

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@cloudiah

Did I say those laws were bad?

I said that it is against the law to rape and kill.

What more do you want?

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
No one is asking you to be.

Trigger warning:
Now, do you know what position a friend of mine was in when she was hurt by two men? She was watching TV at her aunt’s house when they broke in and raped them both. She was 13. Take your tales of woe and shove them. You have nothing to whine about. GTFO.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
We’d like you to leave and have said so. We don’t care about or need to know about how sorry you feel for yourself or how much of a bigot you are. Go be awful on your own time, not on ours.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

Why should I put myself in a position to be hurt by women?

What are you asking here? Is this about dating, because if it is, I never expect you to ever date again. Please don’t. My first point is that you can’t blame Aspergers for that.

Mostly I take offence to these parts of your original post:

“I make it a point not to donate any money to anything that supports women. When a store says that it is donating a percentage of the money I spend to a woman’s shelter. I do not shop there until the donations stop. I refuse to help women.

I also refuse to get in a line at a store if the cashier is a woman. I refuse to have a female doctor, nurse, dentist, and etc.”

If going to the store is what you mean by “putting yourself in a position to be hurt” by women, then you’re no better than the bigots who refuse to go places because ‘blacks’ or ‘gays’ might be there.

You are entitled to choose this.

We are entitled to call you an asshole for it.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Only 3% of rapes result in jail time for the rapist. There’s a backlog of hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. Police and prosecutors tend not to take rape seriously enough.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Davis, if you want to avoid all women, and you don’t want us to want you to like us, I’m cool with that. Shorter waiting lines for good doctors for the rest of us! I like my lady doc, and my lady vet. My manly family preacticioner, and alternate vet, you two are pretty awesome, too.

Sorry if you ever get stuck with this dude. Tough breaks, bros.

Ooh! Seeing as theirs one shift where there’s just one checkout lady, shorter lines at the grocery store, too!

Sorry, my guy friends who are cashiers. 🙁

Davis, I’d actually prefer you distance yourself far-far-away from all himans of the female persuasion until you manage to grow up and learn how to deal with people as individuals.

But, there’s a massive difference between hate and indifference. Going out of your way to make women’s lives miserable? Hate. Moving on and doing your own thing? Blessed indifference.

Try for indifference.

PS: Did you seriously just compare women to black people and yourself to the KKK with that whole analogy about we shouldn’t expect folks to like us because you don’t expect them to like you? Comparing you entrenched disdain to their hatred is pretty stinking awful! Seriously?

Because I totally want the KKK to get over their stupid racial problem and start being decent humans. I totally expect that of them AS HUMANS. Those expectations may be doomed to failure, but until the KKK stops being awful, damned right I’m not cutting their stupid hate group any slack!

Dude!

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

If men like Elliot stop caring if women don’t like them, then we would not have these types
Shootings.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Why should I put myself in a position to be hurt by women?

You don’t need to. That’s your choice. But don’t come here and whine about how women are terrible.

If there are laws on the books, but those laws aren’t effective — then yes, I want more. I want us to look at why they aren’t effective. Maybe they’re not enforced (as is often the case with IPV and rape); maybe victims aren’t getting the support they need to come forward, report and prosecute; maybe we need better childhood education & intervention.

In short, if they’re not working, we should take it seriously, just like we should take it seriously that racial discrimination is still a reality, even in locations where there are laws against it.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

What more do you want?

For you to leave and go be an asshole somewhere else, preferably far, far away from all women, who you clearly cannot be trusted to treat as people.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

There are laws on the books that protect women and punish men for raping and killing women.

Indeed there are. And yet, men are hurting, killing and raping women at an alarming rate. You know how many rapists go to jail, Davis? 3 out of 100. And that’s only out rapes that are reported, most aren’t. Why? Because women just aren’t believed.

And here we are. A man went out killed people because he hated women. He told us his motive for killing was because he hated women. And yet everyone is bending over backwards to find any reason other than hatred of women. Some are outright excusing his actions.

So yeah, there are laws on the books. But we live in a culture in which men’s violence against women is minimized and swept under the rug. We live in a culture in which women can’t even talk about the effects of misogyny on their lives without someone popping in with “what about teh menz!”

We live in a world in which someone like you, Davis, thinks that the appropriate thing to do on a feminist website, on a thread discussing a man who killed he hated women because he thought he was entitled to sex from them, is to come in and post about how much you hate women because your not getting sex from them.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

This site is no better than the MRA sites you folks mock.

If MRA sites are considered hate sites, then this site should be considered one too.

Right, and people who mock racism are just as bad as racists who incite inequality and violence toward minorities by that same “logic”.

You spewed that bullshit when you came in. You’re repeating yourself. Go have a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Exactly! If Master Rodger had just shrugged his shoulders and said, “Oh well” about women not being interested in him and there wasn’t a venomous online community dedicated to the harassment and abuse of women fanning his angry fire, this wouldn’t have happened. If he wasn’t under the impression he was entitled to female attention he wouldn’t have become so pissed off when he didn’t get it.

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