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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

You have Aspergers? Okay. What does that have to do with you being a hateful little shit stain?

I have friends and a coworker who have Aspergers. One of them is engaged to be married to a good friend of mine and he identifies as a feminist ally. He has never had any trouble talking to women, dated actively in college, works with women, and is generally a joy to be around.

It’s almost as if you are just a hateful misogynist trying to use Aspergers as an excuse to be an asshole to half of the human race.

Stop that. Go be an asshole and avoid women (and while you’re at it, I would hope you avoid most men too, you sound like an unsafe person) but do not throw people with Aspergers under the bus in the process. You are a hateful person, you don’t have to be. You choose to be this way. Own it.

PS: You do realize that this web site is full of women? I thought you avoided women like the plague? What are you doing on a feminist web site?

cloudiah
10 years ago

Criticizing someone’s behavior is the same thing as trying to shoot them.

It’s apparently the same as actually shooting them.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

You people are no better than Elliot. You folks feel entitled to dog anyone who disagrees with you, just like Elliot felt entitled to dog anyone who disagreed with him.

Is “dogging” slang for being critical and for shooting 19 people? These kids today and all their kooky new lingo, I just can’t keep up.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@ Cloudiah

Elliot should have done the same thing I did.

At the age of 16, I knew the opposite sex did not want me. Instead of going crazy about it, I focused on making money.

Why should my money go towards a gender that thinks I am wierd and only worthy to be mentally abused?

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Gonna back up fromafar with the fact that the friend who married my husband and me has Aspergers. He’s a humanist chaplain and identifies as a feminist, and actively speaks out against ableism, racism, and other oppressive behaviors and ideas all the freaking time, despite being a white, cis, hetero guy with Aspergers.

My goodness, it’s almost as if declaring “I have Aspergers!” doesn’t give you free reign to be a huge, entitled, self-centered, thread derailing asshole! Who would’ve thunk!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
This is you—->http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52272000/gif/_52272673_crying-baby.gif

Fuck off, sexist jackass. I’m not wiping your butt and burping you, you misogynist crybaby. You has a poopy-butt? Awww, too bad. I’m not your mama and I don’t owe you jackshit.
Women don’t owe you jackshit. This is not a site for helping horrible people get dates. You aren’t awkward, you’re an asshole. Roger’s wasn’t awkward, he was an asshole. He does not get my sympathy and neither do you. The only attention you will get from me is mockery, because that’s what this site is for. If you need a life coach, go pay for one.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Why should we bother trying to talk to you, an asshole who thinks that women are a monolith and a hivemind? You’re clearly determined to be an asshole, and frankly, nothing we say is going to stop you being an asshole.

Just go be your inner asshole somewhere else, Davis, you little shit.

Fibinachi
10 years ago

That doesn’t even begin to make sense
Are you dense?
What’s with the pretense of a stance when what you have is ignorance?
“I disagree with how he handled things, myself”
Shooting 13 people – why didn’t he just build himself?
“Why, if’n I had status and gold I’d be bold, start a business, make a brand!”
Not brandish a gun with the business of racking shells
Into empty sluts too shallow that I placed on too high a shelf!

Fuck you fuck you fuck you
Fuck you one more time
And yet again too
Fuck you!

“Good for you” to support causes as such
But it aint just causes, its much
More that you dont like women as lovers or friends
So stuff your got’chas, nurses count as people too!
Stating differently just to sow dissent shows your intent
On rank ignorance, again –

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you!

Stuff your isolation into Davy Jones locker, Davis
You’re just another off the rails hate wrapped man-baby
Maybe
Some day
You can show respect to discourse, doctors, nurses
Death by guns by mass murderers
But until then I shant relent, I hope to make a dent

Fuck you! Fuck you. Fuuuuuuck youuuuu!

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@from

I never said Aspergers had anything to do with the way I feel towards women. I said that I am socially awkward, and women do not like guys who are socially awkward. I cannot accept that. However, my money should not go towards a gender that does not like me.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I have a son on the spectrum, btw. He has severe problems with communicating. He’s a sweet, kind, loving boy.

Don’t blame the spectrum for your misogyny or your entitlement complex. Aspergers =/= selfish sexist asshole.

Ally S
10 years ago

Based on your logic, you want socially awkward men to keep getting rejected by women. You do not want us to put up a wall of silence and to distance ourselves from women.

The straw man factory called. They want their straw men back.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

If Aspergers is irrelevant, why bring it up? Also, you’re an asshole, Davis. Women largely don’t like assholes, though many are fine with socially awkward men. We tend not to like people who see us as a monolith, indistinguishable from each other, and without merit; that’s proooobably why women don’t like you. Asshole.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

Clearly, only men can ever be socially awkward! No one has ever heard of a socially awkward woman! And no socially awkward people ever find love or have active dating lives! /sarcasm

Seriously. You do know that being socially awkward =/= being a huge asshole, right?

fromafar2013
10 years ago

BTW, people describe my boyfriend as socially awkward when they first meet him. I’m about to propose to him this weekend. Tell me again how no women ever like socially awkward men? I’d love to hear it.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

You people have entitlement issues.

If Elliot would have distanced himself from those who did not like him, he would not have shot those people.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

You people have entitlement issues.

[citation needed]

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

I became an asshole, because of the way women treated me. BTW, I am talking about regular looking women.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

Did you even read any of what Elliot wrote? No one was actively mean or bullied him. He distanced himself from friends and family reaching out to him to help. No woman once ever even rejected him, ever.

And we’re the ones with entitlement issues?

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

Actually all genders have no personal opinions of you, it’s a wee bit more abstract than you think. Also, any money spent on people you have a personal relationship is not a payment or donation to half the population of the world. Also, no one else other than the IRS and retail stores cares about what you do with your money. You should look up the word “solipsism” and consider that there is a world of fellow humans around you. Why not donate to charities that focus on men? Why not focus your energy on something other then your persecution complex and palpable bitterness towards all women, the vast majority of whom has fuck all to do with your personal life or you in general.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@ dust

You people feel entitled for men to like women.

No one is entitled to be liked.

Ally S
10 years ago

regular looking women

Nice hopelessly vague and subjectively defined term you have there.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

No, Davis, women treat you like the plague because you are an asshole. BTW, you’re an asshole, Davis, and no one wants you here.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Davis

“A few times some women bullied me and were mean, that means I hate all women every where forever!”

Have no men ever bullied you?

Regular looking women? Do you even hear yourself?

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

No, Davis, I don’t give a shit if anyone likes me. All I ask is not to be treated with outright disrespect because some ENTITLED ASSHOLE thinks that women are a monolith, and that he is entitled to our affections, or that lack of affection from us somehow turned him into an asshole.

Also, stop calling me “dust.” That’s neither my nym nor my name, and you can fuck right off if you can’t deal with the basic respect involved in not nicknaming people you don’t know without their permission.

(As always, anyone on this thread who’s NOT a raging asshole is welcome to call me deste as a familiar name.)

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
Women are individuals who like different things and different people. Grow up. Stop thinking of women as a monolith. It’s incorrect and makes you look like a self pitying moron.

Women don’t like socially awkward men? Says who?
Not women.
Do you know how many girls crushed on Spock from STOS? (He’s on my walls. Kirk ain’t.)
How about Grissom from CSI?
Goren from L&O,CI?
Dr. Reid from Criminal Minds?
Castiel from Supernatural?
Abed from Community?
Ever heard of a little place called Tumblr? It’s full of Sherlock fangirls.

Those were just the “socially awkward guys” on TV with female fans I thought up on the spot. There are more, I’m sure.

The problem is not that you are awkward. It’s that you are an asshole. Stop whining and do something about yourself. Start with realizing that women aren’t being big meanies by not catering to you or fucking you. That would be a big improvement.

You want to know where people treat men who do not conform to their vision of masculinity with constant disrespect? The mamosphere. The misogynists use terms like “mangina”, not feminists.

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