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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.
We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.
.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.
We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.
And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.
But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?
Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.
First, teh gay:
Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.
Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”
From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.
Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.
Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.
Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.
Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.
No sense ignoring the race angle.
Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.
Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.
Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.
Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:
The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.
Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.
Wait, run that first part by me again?
Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good
Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.
Hookergal:
I have no idea how the sex workers on some of the threads about this incident have managed to stay remotely civil. Why the hell should you be left dealing with this this? The guy was not safe and nobody should have been having to deal with him.
Oh, okay. I would probably just stare in shock if anyone I knew did that. >_<
Salon did a post about the incel community and featured that guy who propositioned his own mother. He’s pooping in the comment section and it’s pretty entertaining.
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/27/inside_the_terrifying_twisted_online_world_of_involuntary_celibates/
That’s what we’ve been missing, creepy incest! It’s the unpleasant cherry to top our sundae of disappointing humanity.
Is anyone who’s ever read that guy’s comments or blog post going to be surprised if he goes out and does the same thing Rodgers did? I won’t be. Being part of his family must be terrifying.
I woudln’t be at all surprised, cassandrakitty. He was giving off that vibe pretty early in his short and inglorious trolling career here.
On a slightly lighter note, I liked the snarky comment on the thread I mentioned yesterday – Croatia can’t be as paternalistic as it’s painted if he’s so miserable there.
Not that any level of paternalism would suit him, given his Rodgersonian views on women. Be fucked then be murdered, or just be murdered, seems to be what he really wants for us, even if he does claim an Antz-like desire for men and women* to live separately, under separate governments.
*non-binary people don’t exist, obvs.
1. Ronan Farrow *swoons*.
2. I could understand, and might even go “aaw” att small boys fencing with their penises as light sabers. Grown ass men plonking them on the table? What. The. Fuck.
3. Parts of Elliot Rodger scare me senseless, because he sounds like a ramped up version of my ex at times. The hatred of his own perceived lack of masculinity, the grandiose self image coupled with hating oneself, the entitlement and the anger. My ex once told me that everytime he saw his ex his immediate thought was “whore, I wish you harm” (clunky translation of the Swedish phrase he used). I stayed with him for 18 months after that. Not my best or brightest idea.
Re:incel guy
He’s already been in trouble for assaulting his parents, so we know he’s capable of violence against those he blames for his situation. He’s also been in trouble for wasting police time, by trying to have them charged for the damage they did by not getting him a prostitute at 14 when he was frustrated and horny. He doesn’t understand why people see him as being in the wrong for being violent, but don’t feel the same about his parents. He’s angry, hateful, and has a skewed view of the world.
In fact, I’ve seen other people elsewhere say they thought of him when they first heard about the Rodger shootings, wondering if it’s the same guy. He’s been giving off a mass murderer vibe all over the internet.
The only reason I didn’t immediately assume that it was him was because it happened in the US, tbh. If it had been in Europe he’d have been my first thought.
Now, now, don’t anyone dare to claim this asshole was gay! He was clearly a heterosexual man who LOATHED women. I’m surprised that you mra’s aren’t touting this sick bastard a hero. He was just another small dicked, insecure, hateful kid that believed he is owed a pretty girlfriend in this patriarchal society. Poor wittle boy didn’t get what he wanted, so his response was to murder the gorgeous girls who wouldn’t let him fuck them. Plain and simple. Mra’s misogynistic websites should be under scrutiny after it was found that the little prick was lurking around on them. Whether that will happen is shaky. There are more mra’s then people think, I believe. Men in powerful positions to the scumbag bum who can’t get laid, and has no idea why. Anyways, you mra’s do not scare us feminists/ radical feminists..We will continue our work and will NOT be silenced.
I shudder to think how incelincest is looking at Rodgers. Approvingly, I imagine.
The ones who aren’t No True Scotsmaning are touting him as a hero, with a side order of “this is what happens when women don’t put out, so be warned.”
Presumably there will be an approving post at some point, but I’m not going to read it. Actually given the various options for IP tracking, required email addresses and so on I think it might be a better idea for women to avoid commenting on his blog in general. If there’s anyone in the greater manosphere who you really don’t want knowing where to find you, that’s the guy.
Not “small dicked”, please. Dicks come in varying sizes, and none of those sizes are wrong or indicate that their owners are murderers.
I guess when you already believe in ‘scientific’ racism and evo-psych, phrenology isn’t that much more of a stretch.
Am I wrong in thinking that Jennie above sounds suspiciously as a troll/parody? In addition to the “small dick” crap, there’s also this part:
Can David check if they have commented here before?
Technically, that would be physiognomy, not phrenology.
Well, there’s an idiot for every occasion, so it’s quite possible that the universe somehow managed to spawn a “feminist” as ridiculous as Jennie, but the “I’m really a woman no really you have to agree with me because I’m a woman” combined with the MRA two-dot period does smell a bit sock-ish.
Ah physiognomy, a great boon to the British Empire’s PR department. Like when they “proved” that the Irish were basically black* and so therefore deserved nothing less than complete repression.
*Not to be confused with a 1960’s Australian Aboriginal theatre act turned sketch show.
Seconded. The stocks should also be an option, for cases like this. Special cock stocks.
Bullying of kid because he couldn’t get laid (not because of his toxic misogyny): check. Unsubtle praise for MRAs (not only are they legion, they’re powerful!): check. Sounds trollish to me.
“I are a Feminist…no, a Radical Feminist!”: the equivalent of wearing a Groucho Marx mustache and glasses in hopes of passing undetected.
Can this guy be reported to the government of whatever country he’s in? That he’s been violent before and that many people feel he’d be capable of mass murder is VERY concerning. :/
For the same reason that when I heard about the Norwegian shootings, my immediate reaction was to assume it was Eivind Berge. Whose rantings the police later took seriously enough to not only arrest him but lock him up for several days while they carried out a full investigation.
I apologize for posting this slightly off topic but it is relevant to the Elliot Rodger’s issue as well as MRAs making websites toxic for others. I’m a big fan of tabletop rpgs and one of my current favorites is Eclipse Phase by Transhuman Studios (TS). They’ve been having a running problem with some very toxic MRAs on their forums and so they put up this very well done statement (my apologies for TL:DR)
Retrieved from http://www.eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras
::applauds::
That’s a great message, hyenagirl, thanks for posting it!
Speaking OT things, have you seen the thread where “Erin” was having his meltdown yesterday? He tried insulting us by calling us hyenas, which a) wasn’t insulting and b) led to some info on female spotted hyenas – stuff you’d know about long since but which I’d never heard of.
I HAD NO IDEA FEMALE SPOTTED HYENAS WERE SO AWESOME