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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.
We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.
.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.
We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.
And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.
But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?
Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.
First, teh gay:
Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.
Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”
From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.
Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.
Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.
Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.
Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.
No sense ignoring the race angle.
Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.
Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.
Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.
Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:
The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.
Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.
Wait, run that first part by me again?
Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good
Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.
“Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts.”
Fuck this noise.
Recently, my korean american boyfriend and I (a ginger caucasian) had a serious talk about our future and came to agree that years down the road, once we are married, settled down, and everything how’d like to have a child together.
Of course when I mentioned this in passing during a conversation at a party, some asshole has to say shit like, “Mixed race kids have health problems” and “But your kid won’t look like you” and “He won’t know where he comes from!!!!11!” and “If you have a son, he’ll look asian and he won’t get dates” which is all a bunch of bullshit. Plus it’s pretty rude to trash someone’s life plans with their loved one. Seriously, what kind of jerk shits on the plans of two responsible adults to have a kid?
As for psychological problems… Considering that the majority of serial killers in the US are white males, I don’t think that’s a great claim to make.
I found the comment thread at Heartise enlightening – in a sad and troubling way. Some of the commenters open up about what it’s like to be a male virgin into their 20s, or how they went for years without sex and how they felt they’d failed as men. They understood why Rodger didn’t just go to a prostitute – what they wanted, and they presumed he wanted, was validation from a girl. They wanted a girl to hold hands with and go to the park with. They wanted romance.
But what troubled me greatly was how they resolved their sexual dilemmas – they learned to cut off their romantic feelings about women. ‘Game’ taught them that all women are basically brainless whores who are only good for f**king and if you learn the right tricks, you can get a girl to spread her legs. And if she won’t, doesn’t matter, because it’s on to the next one. They are now on a mission to teach all young guys this philosophy.
No, we’re talking about a certain slightly older than college-age troll who made a very brief appearance here, squicked everyone out to an extent that I’ve rarely seen, got banned very quickly, and then started his own blog in order to promote his decidedly peculiar worldview.
He’s probably most notorious for allegedly begging his own mother for a pity fuck, a request that was inexplicably turned down – and that seems to have at least partly fuelled his viciously misogynist worldview. (He regards his parents as “murderers” for failing to facilitate the loss of his virginity.)
Cloudiah: Yep. Bockquote mammoth squashed the joke flat, I’m afraid. 🙂
bodycrimes: Exactly! PUA sites encourage the misogyny, hatred and selfish narcissism that turns sad teens into scary men.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/classify-mens-rights-movement-terrorist-group/W5018W63
Hey guys, MRA here again. Please sign the petition to have us declared a terrorist group. No, this isn’t a joke and it only takes a second.
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Why do you want us to sign that petition, I_Roll_Paladin? We’re not likely so sign something just because some anonymous MRA tells us we should.
Why would you want your movement declared as a terrorist group? There’s no tax breaks in that, you know.
I just looked at that petition – it’s a mess. No, thanks.
“Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.”
‘Smart’ people: well… Whatever it is it can’t be misogny lets just say that it was a mental condition
Me: ‘eye twitch’ I know people with mental conditions and they are some of the most sweetest people ever PLEASE don’t lump them together with someone who murdered a group of people! Now I want to throw my ipad across the room and scream in a pillow!
“Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, … And his narcissism.”
I know a few homosexuals and they are not like that at all. I don’t think this guy has even met a homosexual before. And exactly what is a ‘plush gay face’?
“Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts.”
http://creamemes.net/displayimage.php?pid=592
I’m tempted to spam the thread with pictures of famous male J-Pop and K-Pop artists that have legions of screaming western female fans, but I won’t.
“I’m tempted to spam the thread with pictures of famous male J-Pop and K-Pop artists that have legions of screaming western female fans, but I won’t.”
http://youtu.be/yb83fmI47KQ
Auggziliary, lol thanks those are kinda creepy but I do like the kiwi, baby, dog, donut and kitty pillows!
Gawker actually did a good post about people’s refusal to see this as a crime motivated by misogyny. The comment section is full of headdesk moments though.
http://gawker.com/why-is-it-so-hard-for-people-to-get-that-elliott-rodger-1582030975/all
“This is sort of tangential but I’ve been racking my brain, trying to figure out who Eliot Rodgers reminded me of. It’s Harold from Stephen King’s The Stand.”
You’re so right. The amount of things they have in common is eerie.
@ wetherby – ah. I don’t remember the name, but I do remember someone like that. Yes, you are wise not to summon him back.
@Corgitime
Wow, you should go to different parties. Tell these assholes that you two are going to leave inbreeding and pseudo-science stupidity to the racist morons. Your kid will rock, especially if their not friends with children of people who say baseless racist jibber jabber about mixed-race kids.
“2010 Census Shows Multiple-Race Population Grew Faster Than Single-Race Population”
Aka “Dear Racist Assholes, Welcome to the Future of America”
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/race/cb12-182.html
NPR interviewed Laurie Penny about the shootings.
No, that is in fact is a joke. Not a funny one, but definitely a joke.
I agree that the validation is why a prostitute wouldn’t have helped Rodger. And, while I think a lot of guys really just want to hold hands and go to the park with a girl, I’m not entirely convinced this was Rodger’s longing — maybe it once was, I don’t know. But my sense is that women were just a way for him to keep score against other men.
What I think would be helpful for a lot of men to understand (women too probably) is that sex and love aren’t earned. Can’t be earned. They are a matter of grace from the other person. And, because they can’t be earned, whether you are getting sex or love is not a reliable signifier of your value as a human being and aren’t a metric by which one person should be compared to another.
We all want to be loved, and most of us want sex. But our relationship to those things would probably be a lot healthier if our sense of self-worth weren’t intertwined.
THIS.
I’m going to bookmark this page just so I can find this again.
The myths about mixed race people date back generations. At one time, anthropologists believed that ‘pure bred’ humans were biologically superior. The discovery of hybrid vigor disproved this hypothesis; some people have yet to get the memo.
Also, ‘plush gay face’ sounds adorable. Certainly more appealing than Heartiste.
3rd-ing Doug’s point that moldybrehd quoted. “Grace” is a perfect concept in this context; this also articulates why the whole “sexual marketplace” metaphor is bullshit.
That also gets at what I find so disturbing about the manosphere response. In saying “if only he had game he could have gotten laid” or “it’s oppressive to men that women don’t give them sex,” they’re buying into and reenforcing the idea that men’s worth is predicated on racking up bedpost notches. Or, the corollary, that only “worthy” people deserve sex. Which is disturbing, because that’s what formed a big part of Rodger’s ideology.
“Plush gay face” sounds like a cat beard or dog beard.
You know, I’m the first to get annoyed with millenials for lacking coping skills. When I was teaching I repeatedly saw them struggling to figure out how to do things for themselves, and not having been given a good grounding in a lot of basics like grammar and so on. And I get that it’s not entirely their fault but largely a problem of how they were taught in school.
But I’m really tired of people talking about millenials being spoiled and handed everything. They have some skills issues, possibly, but given the unemployment rate, the ridiculous costs of housing, medical care and the rising costs of food, not to mention their Herculean student loan debt, anyone who calls them “spoiled” because they have iPhones and take selfies is a fucking idiot.