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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

I mean, I dunno. I never trolled or socked before. But it just seems to me if you barge into a thread about a guy who stabbed and shot people, it’s not a good idea to allege you have a gun shop. It might make you seem like you are overidentifying with the killer.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

I just got back from Rexacoricophalapatorious. It was fun! Unfortunately, Station 5 is throwing off the course of human history, again, so I really must go.

This is the third time, too!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

fromafar,
Oh, thank goodness! My…friend will be relieved to hear it.
*runs to seek angel snogging*

WWTH,
You get that nefarious ne’er-do-well!
*sulks*
I don;t have a wine shower, not even in my Fortress of Solitude…that I totally have.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

On a lighter note, I’m enjoying all the pop culture references from the regulars.
Supernatural? Oh hell yeah. Though I’d rather snogg Bennie the Cajun vampire than Castiel — I think. 😉

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Fortress of Solitude? That sounds nice. Why did I move into Stark’s tower, again?

Clint and Tony just refuse to shut up.

Going to take a break and go back to finding Bucky with Rodgers. It’s more peaceful.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

It might make you seem like you are overidentifying with the killer.

Ya think?!?!

You know what I think?

http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/kiwiaussiejo/media/TBs/TBs%20gifs/tumblr_lmdgdfyZ9K1qetpu1o1_500-1.gif.html

…*glug*

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Shiraz,
That was when the show got it’s homoeroticest, imo. That first scene with Bennie and Dean was like slash shipper candy.

contrapangloss,
Good idea.
PS. My fortress of solitude is more like a computer room full of dogs. Aside from the snoring, it is pretty peaceful.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Sorry Fromafar it is an ability only I have. I think I can teach you to turn Yoo-Hoo into whiskey though. The CIA taught me how to do that. Unfortunately, the instructions are in my super cool spy submarine and James Bond is borrowing it so it will have to wait until later.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Adorbs, Lea. Simply adorbs.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Not caught up (still, trying to eat without using your left molars is hard! Fucking dentistry [could’ve solved my annoyance by not letting a woman fill my cavities I guess…])

Anyways!

“The type of rape that is laughable is when a woman claims rape after she sleeps with a man and regrets it. Other than that, I am against any man who snatches a woman and forces himself on her. Show me one news article where an American law enforcement agency did nothing about a rape that I consider a rape. Sex regret does not count.

FTFY

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

Angel snogging related – if they are weeping angels, is it better to kiss with your eyes open or closed?

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

Mmmm, Bennie the Cajun Vampire WAS pretty hot! And he scored pretty low on my Supernatural-douchebaggery list, so. I mean, it’s not technically HIS fault that his backstory came out of the fridge.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ wwth

” I think I can teach you to turn Yoo-Hoo into whiskey though.”

GOOD ENOUGH. I can wait ;D

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Kim,
I would consider myself a pretty open minded person and people can be attracted to whoever they want as far as I’m concerned. But why, why would you kiss a weeping angel? *shudders*

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Kim

“Angel snogging related – if they are weeping angels, is it better to kiss with your eyes open or closed?”

Oh shit.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Oh, hey, my original thought is on topic again!

Socially awkward geek boy crushes? My BF has learned to accept that he’s my second favorite socially awkward geek boy, cuz Reid. (Why are they always picking on the cutie?)

Leykis 101 Graduate
Leykis 101 Graduate
10 years ago

Elliot Rodgers was an evil entitled narcissist at the farthest extreme end of the bell curve.

The men in his situation empathize with him to the extent they “understand” what he was going though. This does NOT mean men who empathize(d) with Elliot Rodgers are the same as Elliot Rodgers or equally capable of carrying out such a horrific act of evil.

It appears Elliot Rodgers only received negative reinforcement from other like-minded individuals from the farthest extreme of the Mano-sphere bell curve. Clearly this man never understood Tom Leykis or Chateau Heartiste because if he had, this situation would have NEVER occurred.

@ bodycrimes

“I found the comment thread at Heartise enlightening – in a sad and troubling way. Some of the commenters open up about what it’s like to be a male virgin into their 20s, or how they went for years without sex and how they felt they’d failed as men. They understood why Rodger didn’t just go to a prostitute – what they wanted, and they presumed he wanted, was validation from a girl. They wanted a girl to hold hands with and go to the park with. They wanted romance.”

-Yes, and an unfortunate effect of today’s society is the fact there is a large percentage of young, kind, good, loving, monogamous, hopeless romantic men who fantasize about everlasting love and romance who are being ignored and shit on by women. Especially at college. That’s why they flock to websites in droves.

Elliot Rodgers was evil. But everything he said about constantly observing attractive college aged women flocking to “disheveled” “obnoxious” “slobs” “losers” and “brutes” is 100% true. Speaking personally college was a BRUTAL time of challenge and self reflection for me. It put my value systems and especially the high esteem I had for women, to the test. It’s during this time of twist,turmoil, and optimistic erosion many of these men are forming the future basis for how they will later treat women. Especially if their dating and social market value increases later in life. These men are struggling to understand the reality of their environment and how to respond to it.

“But what troubled me greatly was how they resolved their sexual dilemmas – they learned to cut off their romantic feelings about women. ‘Game’ taught them that all women are basically brainless whores who are only good for f**king and if you learn the right tricks, you can get a girl to spread her legs. And if she won’t, doesn’t matter, because it’s on to the next one. They are now on a mission to teach all young guys this philosophy.”

-This is very, very troubling. Becoming an emotional Vulcan at the flip of a switch is not something anyone, including myself, originally ever wanted. Especially in our most intimate sexual relations. But it’s something we must learn to teach ourselves lest our women, especially after they have have lived the life they wanted, and are ready to “settle down”, use our love, against us, to walk over us, hurt us, extort us, and leave us out in the cold, naked and defrauded.

I’m very sorry it has to be this way.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

So, I was just ridding Theoden of the Shadow, when this grumpy man with metal claws started yelling about some Magnetio character.

I’m getting too old for this.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Kim,
Best to blow the kiss while running for your life?

Dustedeste,
Almost nothing about the show disappoints me. That’s mostly because I hated it on sight and then grew to love it for it’s camp and cuteness. Some of the story lines bore me. I’d rather they’d have made Bennie’s story the spin off. Bloodlines looks craptacular. I feel like they are pulling a Cousin Oliver with the new, young, dull, characters. Then again, I turned my nose up at Supernatural when I first saw it too. To be fair, first season wasn’t great.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

What is up with the trolls who go from zero to “bitch” in no time at all lately? Nasty strain of the blog herpes.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Argenti Aertheri ,
Dr. Reid is dreamy.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

@dustedeste

Yes. Bennie equals hotness.

@Hellkell

Did you read back enough to get the low down on troll’s life as a construction worker/gun dealer? Also, his talking points have a lot in common with a wacked-out Fox News correspondant. Well, the special ones they reserve for off times.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

I missed Erin so I can’t say if trolly is or isn’t her/him. I was getting a Blog Herpes vibe, myself, but Pell wouldn’t surprise me either.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

contrapangloss,
Good one. Tee-hee.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

The best thing to come from Erin was Marie’s statue.