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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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fromafar2013
10 years ago

“You might have assumed she was just bitchy.”

Resting bitch face. I has it. LOL >___<

kittehserf
10 years ago

Hey Davis, if you hate women so much, then piss off. You won’t be missed. Social awkwardness has nothing to do with it. What’s contemptible about you is your indifference to women’s safety, your refusal to see us as human beings instead of malfunctioning fuckdolls.

Try reading this and getting a clue. The first part of the post talks about how goals, motivation and frustration feedback work, using the example of trying to drive to the mall and getting frustrated and angry when caught in traffic for ages.

This is the conclusion (the whole post is too long to put here and I doubt bozo the troll would read it anyway).

But strictly from a motivational perspective, let me say this:

The goal you were taught is not a goal you chose for yourself. It’s just the random, bullshit goal that was planted in your brain over and over again, every day of your life, from the day you were born and the adults around you saw that you had a penis. Every day, your family and your culture indirectly but systematically taught you that Getting Laid was something you should and must do, and if it was difficult for you, well then you’re a loser.

And fuck that.

Fuck that, because that goal – “getting laid” – only makes sense if sex is something someone gives you, like the “lay” is something a woman has that she’ll give to you if only you say the secret password. And that is completely and totally not at all even a little bit how it actually works. In other words: the goal is only attainable if you’re somewhere between a brainless twerp and a rapist.

Without changing the goal, any effort to change your efforts or your criterion velocity just won’t help.

To change the goal, pick a goal that YOU choose.

(Bolding mine.)

Source:

http://www.thedirtynormal.com/2014/05/28/the-science-of-sexual-frustration/

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@treehugger.

The reason why I shut the door on women, was because I was always played by them. They would use me for money, and give the money their boyfriends. After the last incident back in 2007, I concentrated on my job, worked a lot of overtime, and stopped trying to meet women. I still get approached by women, but I ignore them.

It is hard for me to trust women. You’re probably a good woman. I do not agree with the MRA, because they’re a bunch of chumps who only whine. They have never gotten anything done.

I do not agree with PUAs.

I never felt that I deserved love from a woman. I only wanted to be able to walk out of my home and not have to worry about being manipulated by a woman, so she can give her boyfriend some money.

Maybe it’s my fault for only trying to be with Black women.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

Hey Davis, since you’re back, I saw an article on Crunk Feminist Collective. Since you mentioned you’re black and it’s about black masculinity specifically, I thought of you. Not sure if it speaks to you or not, but thought it would be an interesting perspective for you to consider (it’s written by a womanist).

http://www.crunkfeministcollective.com/2014/05/27/what-does-black-masculinity-look-like/

This part in particular made me think about some of your earlier posts about avoiding all women. Being suspicious of women who have ‘taken advantage’ of you.

“I know hella dudes who respect the hell out of their mamas but have no love for women they don’t know, which is a problem because loving your mama is not the same thing as loving women.

There is a way in which our skewed understanding of black masculinity limits the possibilities of black love, love that is and can be both revolutionary (see Patricia Hill Collins) and unreasonable (see Kiese Laymon). Unfortunately, culture teaches black men to love their mamas but be suspicious of other women. We need an intervention.”

That is all.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@serf.

Please show me a post where I said I did not care about the safety of women.

Ally S
10 years ago

God, you’re more boring than GNL.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Your whole “but rape is against the law” BS and denial of how ineffective it is, and the very fact that you’re whining about women not being nice enough to men in a thread about a mass murderer who hated women makes it all too clear. You call us entitled for simply wanting to live our own lives in safety, and pretend that means expecting men to like us.

My nym is kittehserf, to you. Are you too lazy or incompetent to write people’s nyms properly?

BTW nice bit of internalised racism about black women you added, there at the end.

kittehserf
10 years ago

God, you’re more boring than GNL.

Don’t say the name! Don’t say the name! Two trolls that boring in one thread would probably cause a black hole to appear.

emilygoddess
10 years ago

Maybe it’s my fault for only trying to be with Black women.

Wow.

I only wanted to be able to walk out of my home and not have to worry about being manipulated by a woman

I only want to be able to walk out of my home and not have to worry about being abused, assaulted or killed by a man, but sure, let’s talk about your manpain instead.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Davis,
Just leave. Go your own way. Scoot!

When you hand wave away harassment, assault, abuse, rape and murder of women at the hands of misogynists who see us the same way you do then hand wave away thousands of untested rape kits AND you 100% agree that women can’t be trusted, you are telling us you don’t care about women’s safety.

When you hijack a thread about how misogyny kills women with complaints that you can’t get laid because women are so awful, you are telling us that you don’t care about the safety of women.

Why are you still here?

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Yay! Hi Argenti!

Davis:

Please show me a post where I said I did not care about the safety of women.

Your whole fucking attitude here does. You came into a thread about an article about a man who killed people because he hated women whining about how awful women were for not paying attention to you. You literally said we here were as bad as Elliot Rodger, a mass murderer. You continue to whine about how awful women are and how you’ve been “played” by women, while we’re pointing out the very real harm that misogynist, entitled attitudes (just like the one Rodger had!) do to women, and how pervasive these really are in society.

Do you not see the disconnect there?

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Hey everyone, pipe down, Davis had a client. I mean, you can’t pretend to be a millionaire that nasty women are always trying to take advantage of if you’re not entertaining clients, right? (sarcasm off)
Oh sweetie, based on your posts, I don’t think you’d have much to articulate to clients. Simple sentence structure baffles you.
Oh, and did you miss the part where rodgers was rich and connected? Still, no women or male peers felt compelled to get to know him. Stop pretending to be a rich dude, it doesn’t help. And no one here is going to go, “Oh Davis, choose me! Please! I love money!”

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

emilygoddess:

This conversation is the living embodiment of “men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them”.

Holy shit, it really is.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Maybe it’s my fault for only trying to be with Black women.

Holy internalized racism, Batman!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Also, why did he capitalize “black”?

Starting to suspect a sock…

contrapangloss
10 years ago

With regard to your ‘No female doctors, dentists, checkout clerks)…As a person at a volunteer rescue station where (for my dinky little station) all but one of our EMS crew is female:

Getting screwed over in a relationship has what to do with wanting to refuse treatment by our best EMT? (Not me, she’s an older lady, former nurse, current EMT-III advanced scope). You’re really going to opt for the guy who’s had his cert for EMT-1 less than a year? Really?

I mean, you could wait 20 minutes for the next district over to show up, if they aren’t busy. Maybe. You might score a paramedic, maybe.

What if your ER doc is a woman? Do you have to say, “Sorry. All my love interests have been lying scum. Can I get a guy in here?”

fromafar2013
10 years ago

@ Lea

“Holy internalized racism, Batman!”

IKR? I only saw that AFTER I had posted from CFC, but now I’m kinda glad I did. When misogyny and racism intersect… whoo boy.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Also, I’m having trouble believing a black man would compare himself to the KKK or calling their treatment of POC as not “accepting” POC.

Yep, definitely calling it. This has to be a sock.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@serf

Elliot would not have did that dumb shit, if he accepted who he was.

The type of rape that is laughable is when a woman claims rape after she sleeps with a man and regrets it. Other than that, I am against any man who snatches a woman and forces himself on her. Show me one news article where an American law enforcement agency did nothing about a rape. Sex regret does not count.

kittehserf
10 years ago

This could work out quite well, actually. Think how many service jobs are filled by women. Davis could be struggling to do any shopping at all. He might have to stay in his basement mansion and order everything online. He might have to do the Republican thing of not getting sick at all, not because of insurance but because if he does, he could be forced to deal with women in the health industry.

He could be the first and only MGHOW if he sticks to this … as long as he learns the definition includes “not coming onto blogs and whining at women”.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@Lea.

The KKK isn’t causing me to lose money, using me for money, playing me so they give money to their boyfriends, and stealing my property.

If the klan wants to hate me because of the color of my skin, then cool.

Black women have done more damage to me than the klan could ever do.

Davis
Davis
10 years ago

@serf…

You seem hurt.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

The type of rape that is laughable is when a woman claims rape after she sleeps with a man and regrets it. Other than that, I am against any man who snatches a woman and forces himself on her. Show me one news article where an American law enforcement agency did nothing about a rape. Sex regret does not count.

The only thing that’s laughable is the fact that you think women do this. We already linked to you dozens of articles about law enforcement not prosecuting rapists. I linked to a chronic problem in America where rape kits aren’t even being tested (kinda step 1 for a rape prosecution).

Plus, we can tell you, our own horrifying stories of not only not being helped by police, but of being actively shamed and silenced by them.

But you aren’t going to listen to us, so why am I even bothering?

kittehserf
10 years ago

The type of rape that is laughable is when a woman claims rape after she sleeps with a man and regrets it.

Oh, so you’ve drunk the MRA kool-aid, socky? Funny how being a misogynistic liar doesn’t get you anywhere with women, isn’t it? Funny how ignoring boundaries sends up all the red flags that you’re an abusive little shit, isn’t it?

For agencies doing nothing about rape, Sparky already gave you links upthread. Are you too lazy or too cowardly to read them?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Don’t say the name! Don’t say the name! Two trolls that boring in one thread would probably cause a black hole to appear.

Right? I was just thinking how nice it has been that a certain other troll who’s been around lately finally decided to piss off. I dare not say his name. What if it summons him?

Show me one news article where an American law enforcement agency did nothing about a rape.

Fuck you, idiot. We linked several articles that did just that. If those aren’t enough for you, get on the Google and do your own damn homework.

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